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USPTO Examiner Rejected 1-Click Claims As "Obvious" 195

theodp writes "Faced with a duly unimpressed USPTO examiner who rejected its new 1-Click patent claims as 'obvious' and 'old and well known,' Amazon has taken the unusual step of requesting an Oral Appeal to plead its case. And in what might be interpreted by some as an old-fashioned stalling tactic, the e-tailer has also canceled and refiled its 1-Click claims in a continuation application. As it touted the novelty of 1-Click to Congress last spring, Amazon kept the examiner's rejection under its hat, insisting that 'still no [1-Click] prior art has surfaced.' The Judiciary Committee hearing this testimony included Rick Boucher (VA) and Howard Berman (CA), both recipients of campaign contributions from a PAC funded by 1-Click inventor Jeff Bezos, other Amazon execs, and their families."
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USPTO Examiner Rejected 1-Click Claims As "Obvious"

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  • Same trick? (Score:2, Interesting)

    by Woodpeckeruk ( 1098697 ) on Tuesday May 15, 2007 @02:52AM (#19126799) Homepage
    Amazon tried the same trick at the EPO (see IPKat post here [blogspot.com]), and got the application kicked out.
  • There is prior art (Score:5, Interesting)

    by jkechel ( 1101181 ) on Tuesday May 15, 2007 @02:56AM (#19126819)
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stellar_Crisis [wikipedia.org] .. this game is from 1993, and you can buy in-game things with only one click. DONE
  • by fmstasi ( 659633 ) on Tuesday May 15, 2007 @03:46AM (#19127033)
    No, all software patents should be shot down. Patents should only be given to inventions which operate in the physical world — mechanical devices, tools, electronic equipment, and so on. Patenting software is (more or less) patenting algorithms, and therefore to patenting mathematics; on the other hand, research works much better if information is shared freely. Also, software is already covered by copyright, so protecting it with patents also is overkill. Also... well, there are many reasons why software patents are a terrible idea. Everybody with an interest more than casual in the subject whould get familiar with the arguments given in http://www.nosoftwarepatents.com/ [nosoftwarepatents.com].
  • by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday May 15, 2007 @04:40AM (#19127245)
    There was a company (And still is) that had a patent on using the "*" and "#" key on your phone, but, only when calling Directory Assistance. Called "Metro One" (NASDAQ:INFO if they aren't delisted).

    Now, if Obvious was somehow forgotten in the world of telephony, I don't know what is in the rest of the world. But they had the patent based on "business process". How is using the * key different for a person calling 411 vs calling the local Energy company, or their own PBX? I don't know.

    But, they actually won a lawsuit after a competitor in the "411" business allowed their own customers to use the * and # keys on the DTMF phones (and DTMF tones were designed to allow for systems to interpret them for custom needs, with no specified control... so.. yea...) And they won!

    This is another case of very very very very very bad Patent law.

  • by 4D6963 ( 933028 ) on Tuesday May 15, 2007 @06:25AM (#19127723)

    No, all software patents should be shot down. Patents should only be given to inventions which operate in the physical world.

    Software can operate in the physical world. That's why the USPTO started allowing software patents in 1981. Anyways, I like the europeean take on software patents, which says that "any invention which makes a non-obvious "technical contribution" or solves a "technical problem" in a non-obvious way is patentable even if a computer program is used in the invention." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Software_patent#In_Eu rope [wikipedia.org]

    I just don't see anyone can be against that.

  • by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday May 15, 2007 @07:12AM (#19127941)
    My organization's (a major national lab) patent attorney once said that he has never heard of a patent being denied on the basis of obviousness, and he's been in the business for around 30 years.

    The reason is simple - judges are easy to fool. All you need are a few "experts" to toss around some technical-sounding jargon, bring up some reason why the "invention" is highly complex and amazingly ingenious (again based on some obscure jargon), and human nature takes over. The judge doesn't want to admit to being clueless when confronted by such esteemed "experts", so he nods wisely and ... BINGO, patent granted.
  • So did the Jetsons (Score:3, Interesting)

    by cheekyboy ( 598084 ) on Tuesday May 15, 2007 @07:21AM (#19127999) Homepage Journal
    Somehow I guess the IT geeks that write the patents forget that they got their ideas as 5 year olds watching the Jetsons and seeing
    them buy stuff on a 200inch plasma screen using voice recognition to the virtual shopping channel.

    A TV show can be prior art as it showcases the concept and idea perfectly so that even a 5 year old can understand it let alone a CEO earning $6m dollars.
  • by fmstasi ( 659633 ) on Tuesday May 15, 2007 @08:44AM (#19128565)
    Right. It also means that you are patenting the device, not the program; so, if you patent an innovative device, which uses an innovative program, the program itself is not patented.
    In theory, at least.
  • by ancientt ( 569920 ) <ancientt@yahoo.com> on Tuesday May 15, 2007 @09:15AM (#19128841) Homepage Journal

    Level of abstraction? Okay, explain how you're a walrus.

    Software patents make as much sense as mechanical patents because both cover how to change something in one state to something that might be more useful in a different state. The usefulness of the patent is up for debate as it would be in any new industry, as is the innovation. The debatable questions are whether the innovation that goes into creating something that is novel in software deserves a patent, and whether allowing patents in software is good for society. Once those questions are sufficiently answered there will always be the secondary questions of a particular patent's worthiness, but it will be far easier to answer.

  • by jkechel ( 1101181 ) on Tuesday May 15, 2007 @09:22AM (#19128899)
    I know that the patent has a narrow scope, that's exactly why I proposed a browser-based game as prior art:
    1. its under control of a client
    2. provides information about the item (you can see what you want to buy including a descriptive name)
    3. only one action, that's the 1-click, by simply clicking on that item (also known in many many newer games like Command&Conquer where you buy&build by one click on a item)
    4. organising further informations about the user -> that's keeping track of you current score/stats in the game
    5. creating a 'order' .. well, simply DO assign the item to the user
    6. Not using a shopping-cart .. well, i don't know a single game using a shopping cart :)

    so, now please compare this to the patent itself: http://www.google.com/patents?id=O2YXAAAAEBAJ&dq=5 ,960,411 [google.com]

    -- cut --
    1. A method of placing an order for an item comprising:

            under control of a client system,

                    displaying information identifying the item; and
                    in response to only a single action being performed, sending a request to order the item along with an identifier of a purchaser of the item to a server system;

            under control of a single-action ordering component of the server system,

                    receiving the request;
                    retrieving additional information previously stored for the purchaser identified by the identifier in the received request; and

            generating an order to purchase the requested item for the purchaser identified by the identifier in the received request using the retrieved additional information; and
            fulfilling the generated order to complete purchase of the item
            whereby the item is ordered without using a shopping cart ordering model.

    -- end cut --
  • by melted ( 227442 ) on Tuesday May 15, 2007 @11:39AM (#19131145) Homepage
    How about refunding license payments if this falls through? That'd be cool. Say, you've filed a patent and started charging people licensing fees based on the patent that's not yet granted. The patent is rejected. Shouldn't you refund the licensing fees? Can we do this for all patents, so that there's penalty for filing shitty, obvious patents, or patents where prior art exists?

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