Censoring a Number 1046
Rudd-O writes "Months after successful discovery of the HD-DVD processing key, an unprecedented campaign of censorship, in the form of DMCA takedown notices by the MPAA, has hit the Net. For example Spooky Action at a Distance was killed. More disturbingly, my story got Dugg twice, with the second wave hitting 15,500 votes, and today I found out it had simply disappeared from Digg. How long until the long arm of the MPAA gets to my own site (run in Ecuador) and the rest of them holding the processing key? How long will we let rampant censorship go on, in the name of economic interest?" How long before the magic 16-hex-pairs number shows up in a comment here?
Not very long... (Score:5, Funny)
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I guess everybody was scrambling to find it.
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13,256,278,887,989,457,651,018,865,901,401,704,64
or this one
1001 11111001 00010001 00000010 10011101 01110100 11100011 01011011 11011000 01000001 01010110 11000101 01100011 01010110 10001000 11000000
It's all Bill's Fault (Score:5, Interesting)
Microsoft is a cancer that attaches itself in an security sense to everything it touches...
Re:This is actually my HOPE for the future (Score:5, Insightful)
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Re:This is actually my HOPE for the future (Score:5, Insightful)
When you drive down the motorway, in general everyone is going to a different place and doesn't care about where anyone else is going to. You have to take into consideration what they're doing on the motorway, however.
When people work to crack something like this, they are all working to the same end, and do not necessarily know what each other is doing to that end, although sometimes people discuss their ideas to get feedback etc.
Maybe we need a new moderation: (-1, Car Analogy).
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All your base are belong to us.
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(base 13,256,278,887,989,457,651,018,865,901,401,704,64
Somebody had to end this stupid subthread.)
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All 0x09F911029D74E35BD84156C5635688C0 of them.
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Actually, wouldn't that be descrambling to find it?
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The T-Shirt (Score:5, Informative)
Re:The T-Shirt (Score:5, Funny)
Re:The T-Shirt (Score:5, Funny)
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"A linguistic characterization downgrades it to a wee difficulty, characterizing behemoth codes (extrajudicially made inside monopolizing, unincorporated conspires lying to impose devious macroeconomic tricks) through wise coding." -- Mocking Comically Absurdist Commercialism I.
09 F9 11 02 9D 74 E3 5B D8 41 56 C5 63 56 88 C0
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Well, someone had to blow some air into this meme!
--Rob
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Or, an even better idea...
If you treat the hex string as a sequence of unsigned big-endian U16s, and then look up the sequence of corresponding words in OSX's password dictionary, you get "edit view phosphor beautified sorcerous crushed kneader deadline".
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http://09-f9-11-02-9d-74-e3-5b-d8-41-56-c5-63.com
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That's a great key! I'm gonna use it on Spaceballs: The HD-DVD!
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Sounds like an opportunity for a LEGO Mindstorm project...
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Attention Webmasters! (Score:4, Insightful)
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SOVIET RUSSIA (Score:4, Funny)
Tag (Score:5, Interesting)
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A) A textbook implementation of the AACS protocol and
B) Hex strings
Yeah, America rules.
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Anyhow, I'm sure someone will mod this down for not toeing the line.
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How right you are...
Now.....which one of his books were you talking about again?
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Weird how those numbers get pulled from Digg ...
There's a very interesting story [digg.com] in the Health section of Digg. It's about improving your memory by memorizing a certain sequence of alphanumeric characters...
I wonder how long that one will last.
This is (now) a famous number-theory integer! (Score:5, Funny)
Astonishingly, the next prime after that is only 31 away, so our famous number can also be represented as
It is also very interesting because it is also equal to the product of the following prime numbers:
Truthfully, when was the last time you saw any remotely similar number? Never, right? We better record this for mathematical posterity!!! :-)
Re:This is (now) a famous number-theory integer! (Score:4, Funny)
Re:This is (now) a famous number-theory integer! (Score:5, Funny)
You're making fun of someone for being a nerd on slashdot? You must be joking.
Yes, I was a famous/infamous nerd in high school, and I gloried in it. I also had girlfriends in high school; did you, O anonymous coward?
As for your literal question of getting beat up a lot, I was not just a big time nerd, I was also 6 foot 2 inches, an athlete, was a friendly extrovert, and had social skills; not all nerds fit your stereotype. Now my nerdiness supports my career as a computer engineer. How's your fast food job treating you? ;-)
(You could have just come right out and asked what a prime number is, you know; you don't have to launch an attack each of the many times every day that you feel ignorant.)
"He who laughs last laughs best."
Re:This is (now) a famous number-theory integer! (Score:5, Insightful)
Unlike the gay-bi folks who reclaimed the word "queer," the geeks who reclaimed "geek" were self-haters. They were ashamed of being socially inept, excluded, and driven to alternative worlds by their treatment in this one. Fortunately, there were positive aspects of geekiness, so they simply threw out the negative characteristics and stressed the positive ones.
Ultimately, this will backfire. By attempting to erase their negative attributes, the geeks (nerds) will end up losing their claim on the positive attributes once associated with them. They will be defined solely by their negative characteristics. (I am serious about this. Bear with me while I explain.)
The rest of the world bears so little ill-will toward geeks (unlike queers, whom homophobes hate passionately) that they allowed geeks to redefine the word geek. After all, geeks (sorry, nerds) weren't trying to shoulder their way into the circles they were excluded from. Society didn't want nerds to be condemned and repressed; they just didn't want the nerds asking them for dates, sitting with them at lunch, and trying to go to their parties. Most nerds are quite happy living without those things, especially now that they have a positive label for themselves. Since nerds accept the boundaries imposed on them, society feels no need to remind them of what make them different.
(Technology nerds have been successful in business, where successful is idempotent with welcome, for over a century, maybe much longer. The rise of Bill Gates et al. was not an invasion of new territory.)
Ironically, stripping the negative aspects out of the word "geek" made it possible for non-inept, non-excluded people to accept the geek label and still enjoy their status as full-fledged people. That means that the excluded and inept can no longer comfort themselves with their geek status, because all the cool aspects of geekdom have been invaded by good-looking and/or confident people who are able to understand the mysteries of human interaction.
Geeks (ack! again, I mean nerds) no longer have any safe haven or any unique reason to live. They can't claim that the world would fall apart without them, except in the same sense that immigrant laborers can. (Who else is willing to pick strawberries and do the IT grunt work?) They can't even confidently stay out of the danger zone anymore. That guy with the faded Space Invaders shirt might look like a good guy for a nerd to talk to, but it's possible -- nay, likely -- that he is a normal person who will be put off by the nerd's social clumsiness, resulting in awkwardness and humiliation. Conversely, a badge of identity such as a D&D shirt that might in the past have protected a nerd from being approached by people with normal standards of social aptitude no longer conveys any protection. There is nothing for a nerd to do but attempt social intercourse and hope his interlocuters will not be horrified, or at least protect his dignity by hiding their horror.
I predict that a new way of labeling and sorting people will arise that will help protect normal and socially defective people from uncomfortable interactions. Naturally, the normal folks want to seem (and feel) fair, compassionate, and justified, so the criteria for exclusion, while remaining the same as ever, will be described in terms of mental illness and emotional intelligence. Mental illness will be cited in order to point out that social incompetence makes people dangerous, both in trivial ways (inappropriate, annoying behavior) and serious ones (stalking, spree killing). Emotional intelligence will be invoked whenever it is necessary to place responsibility for the exclusion on
Re:Not very long... (Score:4, Funny)
Bah, 128 bits should be enough for everyone.
Re:cheat mode (Score:5, Funny)
One problem though, I used it to watch attack of the clones, hoping to see some Natalie Portman hawtness, and was instead rendered impotent by Ewan McGregor and Hayden Christensen.
Turns out, the key only works for actors, and does nothing for actresses.
Ah My! (Score:5, Insightful)
If you had a lock that kept out only the people you actually wanted in, but couldn't keep out those that were actually going to rob you blind, one would think that your solution might be a little more robust than "I'll see anyone who reports how badly my lock works".
Re:Ah My! (Score:5, Insightful)
Re:Ah My! (Score:5, Interesting)
There's a saying in the (physical) lock business. I am not in it, so I may have the wording wrong, but the gist is:
In the safe business, safes are rated by how long they take to crack. They never claim to be uncrackable.
Trying to make DRM better than locks and safes in the real world is futile.
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09 F9 11 02 9D 74 E3 5B D8 41 56 C5 63 56 88 C0 (Score:5, Informative)
Re:09 F9 11 02 9D 74 E3 5B D8 41 56 C5 63 56 88 C0 (Score:5, Funny)
Who knows?? (Score:4, Funny)
Source (Score:5, Informative)
http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?t=121866&pa
I recommend interested slashdotters read the thread, there's a lot of interesting context to the discovery.
Remember De-CSS? (Score:5, Interesting)
Remember De-CSS?
Re:Remember De-CSS? (Score:4, Funny)
http://www.ghacks.net/2007/04/30/09-f9-11-02-t-sh
http://www.cafepress.com/nonlogic.100812817 [cafepress.com]
Google Mirror (Score:5, Funny)
I hope we'll all stop it soon. (Score:5, Insightful)
I'm all for someone using their rights to protect what is their's. Not a problem, but when it dictates what they can do with the things they own, and speech, I think it has crossed a line I'd rather it not cross.
Some say Americans just take the abuse and can't see what the big deal is, unless it might cause re-runs of Friends to be pulled. Some people say Americans are sheep and will go where a select class of people point for them to go. I have sometimes seen these rights dry up a little when not constantly defended, and I start to think American's are lemmings, not sheep.
I guess I'm just as guilty as everyone else. I'm no fool. I can see I'm like that also, but I'm trying really hard to be different.
Short Answer: It all stops when we all stop it.
Hex Art (Score:5, Informative)
Don't use this one (Score:5, Funny)
Re:Don't use this one (Score:5, Funny)
Incoming stories (Score:5, Insightful)
Bittorrent (Score:5, Funny)
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41
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Poetry Contest (Score:5, Funny)
Nine dee, seven four, eee three, five bee.
Dee ate for one,
Five six,
See five,
Six three, five six, ate eight sea oh!
Re:Poetry Contest (Score:5, Funny)
as nine dee, seven four, eee three, five bee
Tag It! (Score:5, Insightful)
Re:Tag It! (Score:5, Informative)
Civil Disobedience (Score:5, Insightful)
The media processing key for AACS is: 09 F9 11 02 9D 74 E3 5B D8 41 56 C5 63 56 88 C0
Schwab
The RIAA has lots of work ahead... (Score:4, Funny)
Results 1 - 10 of about 279,000 for 09 F9 11 02 9D 74 E3 5B D8 41 56 C5 63 56 88 C0
For those keeping score at home.... (Score:5, Funny)
The score so far:
Posts mentioning the infamous hex 09 F9 11 02 9D 74 E3 5B D8 41 56 C5 63 56 88 C0: 25
Posts remarking how they have the same number as their luggage combination: 5
Stay tuned, folks, the game ain't over yet!
Wikipedia article on the number is down too. (Score:5, Insightful)
Guess I should look into postng this to one of the "anti-censorship on wikipeida" sites.
For what it's worth, this is utter crap, but it shows a severe weakness in copyright law. Anything that can be represented with data, anything at all, can be encoded/encrpyted on anything else, given an arbitrary coding mechanism. For instance, let us create "sabre86's stanard coding scheme": add 1 to any number. After encoding we have 09 F9 11 02 9D 74 E3 5B D8 41 56 C5 63 56 88 C1. Look, it's a different number! I guess it isn't a circumvention. Or is it?
You can extend this logic arbitarily to anything, so that not only can any string represent any other string (and thus be a "copy"), any string can be the key to an encoding scheme, meaning that posting any string is "circumvention" if I see fit to describe my encryption process such that it encrypts/encodes a copyrighted work using that string as a "key."
So all strings are copyrighted because they can derived from other copyrighted strings through an arbitrary encoding scheme and all strings are potentially circumventions of DRM/CRAP because they are both a representation of a known key in a different encoding and the key for some other arbitrary encryption algorithm that "circumvents the copyright protections."
Bullshit
--sabre86
I went to register the domain... (Score:4, Informative)
How long must a number be to be copyrightable? (Score:5, Interesting)
How about... (Score:4, Funny)
How about in everybody's sig line on Slashdot as protest?
Now what was that number again?
Everything digital is a number (Score:5, Insightful)
Circumvention software? A long number. PDFs with classified military information? Long numbers. Child porn? Long numbers. Having those illegal numbers on your hard drive will get you convicted.
So, if you are going to argue that numbers can't be illegal, think about the above examples, and reconsider your arguing strategy -- you will not win that argument with a judge.
More Information at chillingeffects.org (Score:4, Informative)
More information about AACS's (Access Content System Licensing Administrator, LLC) take down notices can be found at: http://www.chillingeffects.org/index.cgi [chillingeffects.org]
and specifically: http://www.chillingeffects.org/anticircumvention/n otice.cgi?NoticeID=7180 [chillingeffects.org]
They give an example of AACS's take down notices and pretty good legal analysis of its contents.
Other links (Score:4, Insightful)
I saw one story with the key go from 200 to over 800 "diggs" in something like 20 minutes, then it got deleted.
In about the same time, this story [digg.com], which links to this blog [cjmillisock.com] got up to 2-300 "diggs", then was removed from the front page.
My favourite submission so far was this [digg.com], which linked to this image: http://img91.imageshack.us/img91/3967/gitshddvdkb
I think I'll stick with Slashdot
Check my signature (Score:5, Funny)
A possible turn of events...? (Score:5, Funny)
I think basically this turn of events unfolded, although I might not have got the numbers 100% accurate yet!
9 hackers looking into poor security,
249 MPAA lawyers browsing porn in the silence before the storm.
17 sites spreading the news,
2 sites surviving the mass visits.
157 drops of sweat down the AACS team's cheeks,
116 frantic phone calls buzzing in the offices.
227 lawyers starting up Plan B,
There's now 91 sites to shut down.
$216 sent as bribe for the Digg staff,
still 65 sites still up and running.
86 shutdown reasons discovered by abusing the DMCA,
197 prayers one will work.
99 sites now publishing the keys... oh wait!
86 managers finding the case is slipping out of control.
136 confused MPAA members mumbling about HD-DVD keys,
192 reasons found to keep trying to stifle sales.
You can't claim Copyright on a random crypto key (Score:5, Insightful)
As a program (Score:5, Insightful)
add hl,bc
ld sp,hl
ld de,09d02h
ld (hl),h
ex (sp),hl
ld e,e
ret c
ld b,c
ld d,(hl)
push bc
ld h,e
ld d,(hl)
adc a,b
ret nz
Simpsons reference (Score:5, Funny)
I must not write 09 F9 11 02 9D 74 E3 5B D8 41 56 C5 63 56 88 C0
I must not write 09 F9 11 02 9D 74 E3 5B D8 41 56 C5 63 56 88 C0
I must not write 09 F9 11 02 9D 74 E3 5B D8 41 56 C5 63 56 88 C0
I must not write 09 F9 11 02 9D 74 E3 5B D8 41 56 C5 63 56 88 C0
Kevin Rose Response (Score:5, Informative)
So, logically.. (Score:5, Interesting)
Digg (Score:5, Interesting)
Put the number in your user agent (Score:5, Interesting)
For extra fun, you can put the number in your user agent string. Since plenty of server logs are public, the number will be in lots of log files all over the place.
In Firefox, you can append a comment to the default existing user-agent string, by visiting about:config and adding a string property with the key general.useragent.extra.firefoxComment
Whatever you put in there is added to the end of the user agent string that is sent with every request your browser makes. Mine is now:
Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.8.1.3) Gecko/20070426 Firefox/2.0.0.3 Version 13,256,278,887,989,457,651,018,865,901,401,704,640
Thanks to ludwik on digg for the suggestion.