Legislation To Overhaul US Patent System 336
FutureDomain sends us to a PC World report on the filing yesterday of legislation to overhaul the US patent system completely. The US has the only system worldwide that tries to ascertain who first invented a thing — everywhere else the criterion is who filed first, and the new legislation would bring the US into line. Identical bills were introduced in both the House and the Senate by, in each case, bipartisan sponsors. The corporate roster of backers includes Microsoft, IBM, Amazon, and nearly everyone else. From the article: "The provisions of the Patent Reform Act would... restrict damages that patent holders can receive for infringement lawsuits, create a new procedure to challenge the validity of a patent after it has been granted, and boost resources for the US Patent and Trademark Office."
Re:First Post! (Score:2, Informative)
Nothing to do with prior art - prior art invalidates patents in first-to-file countries* as well as first-to-patent countries.
It's more when two inventors develops something novel at the same time. Who gets the patent? First to invent - or first to file?
* Which include the Phillipines as well as the US?
Re:Translation ... Garage inventer will be screwed (Score:5, Informative)
The old system just had the option of companies not filing patents and not publishing their results could come in and claim they invented the idea first.
The new system is much less corrupt and more open.
Re:Frankly, this worries me (Score:1, Informative)
If you aren't filing patents, then the only way to protect yourself in the current system is to publish your work (thus making it "prior art"). Regardless, someone could later file for a patent and claim that they invented it before your publication date.
In the "first to file" system, publication is still the way to keep yourself safe. Published inventions cannot be patented. What's better in the "first to file" system than the current "first to invent" system is that once you have published something, then it cannot be patented any more, unless someone managed to file their patent application while your publication was still in print (thus getting a filing date before your publication date).
The key point is, you need to publish your work to be safe from patent trolls.
Re:Wouldn't this actually be a huge step BACKWARD? (Score:5, Informative)
Filed first is just the decider when two applications are made for the same invention (which was secret until the applications).
In most of the world the person who gets to the patent office first gets the patent and the one who gets there second gets nothing. In the US you can claim that you invented it before the other party and try to prove it with dated notes etc. which were previously not published. In theory the first to have the invention gets the patent not the first to file. This leads to messy legal fights.
In the rest of the world the incentive is to file (and therefore publish) first which gives a clearer decision on this issue.
Joseph
Re:I'm not sure I get it (Score:3, Informative)
It has no bearing on patenting beer, the sky or sex, which ought to be covered by other rules (novelty and non-obviousness to start, but also the fact that they naturally exist). Or at least it shouldn't have... this is the USPTO we're talking about.
Re:Pork for the big companies (Score:5, Informative)
Re:Translation ... Garage inventer will be screwed (Score:3, Informative)
Not a prior art problem (Score:2, Informative)
Trade secrets, however, get a good hosing. If you keep something secret and someone else patents your secret, you could suddenly find yourself paying royalties.
Re:Pork for the big companies (Score:2, Informative)
No more prior art? I think not. (Score:4, Informative)
I'm pretty sure that's incorrect. Prior art should still hold in that you can't patent something that was described by DaVinci, Ben Franklin, Alexander Graham Bell, Erosthanes, or some dude in Ohio in 1998 on his web site. What first to file means is that the USPTO no longer needs to flip a coin when it gets three applications for the same thing and needs to determine who made the invention when.
See http://www.heise.de/english/newsticker/news/86141 [heise.de] which makes if pretty clear that Germany -- a first to file country -- considers prior art in judging the validity of patents.
Of course, I'm no patent expert, and the US Congress with a little help from the lobbiests is capable of coming up with absolutely abominable legislation . But I'd keep an open mind on this one at least for a while for a while.
Re:Bizarroworld (Score:2, Informative)
Re:First to file (Score:3, Informative)
Prior art still comes into play in the initial evaluation of the patent. It can also be used to challenge a previously awarded patent. Going to first to file would just put the US in line with the method used by the USPTO (and just about everywhere - if not everywhere - else in the world.)
The only problem you would face is the typical Slashdot view that disclosures don't matter, as the patent examiners will "rubber stamp" anything they get - but part of that depends on how you publish your disclosure. If you put it on your own website, it is unlikely to be seen. If you publish with one of the high visibility journals - you're more likely to be seen.
(Full disclosure: I used to work for IP.com which does this sort of thing. So I've had a fair amount of exposure to the workings of patents and disclosures.)
Re:Pork for the big companies (Score:4, Informative)
Models or exhibits are not required in most patent applications since the description of the invention in the specification and the drawings must be sufficiently full, clear, and complete and capable of being understood to disclose the invention without the aid of a model.
A working model, or other physical exhibit, may be required by the Office if deemed necessary. This is not done very often. A working model may be requested in the case of applications for patent for alleged perpetual motion devices.
When the invention relates to a composition of matter, the applicant may be required to furnish specimens of the composition, or of its ingredients or intermediates, for inspection or experiment. If the invention is a microbiological invention, a deposit of the micro-organism involved is required.
Re:Legalized theft! (Score:3, Informative)
Re:Bizarroworld (Score:3, Informative)
Re:Legalized theft! (Score:4, Informative)
Anyhow. This legislation makes it much MUCH easier for open source projects. Instead of having to write something, and then find out someone else claims to have invented it, and they filed a patent before you published, you just have to search filed patents. If it isn't there, publish your general idea, and write your open source project.
Similarly, both the parent and grandparent seem to totally miss that you most definitely cannot patent something from an open source project, as, anything which is available as open source, is already published.
Here is the thing. Any public disclosure (prior to filing) invalidates a patent. Now, I am allowed to talk with a friend, to further developement, but, to cover your ass, you really should get him/her to sign an NDA before talking about it, because simply talking about it constitutes a public disclosure. Proving that public disclosure can be an issue.
Now, what this legislation does is, it says that between 2 people (corporations, groups, committees, whatever) who have the same idea, and both try to patent it, provided that neither has published anything, and it is a useful, non-obvious idea, we will give the patent to the one who files first. This eliminates confusion about who should gt it, with both parties "no, I had the idea first. So, for the most part, to avoid infringement, you just have to search relevant patents. There is still some time, between when a provisional patent is filed, and when the USPTO accepts (and publishes) it that you could have various "submarine" patents get into an open standard, or your open source project, but this legislation doesnt make it possible, at all, for some-one to take your OS project, and start filing patents based on it. Parent and GP are crying wolf, without understanding what they are talking about.
Re:Legalized theft! (Score:3, Informative)
With the exception of the inventor publishing something and then filing for his patent in less than one year from publishing (e.g., publishes a paper with the IEEE), the public domain material would qualify as prior art under (a) (1).