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Gary Kasparov Arrested Over Political Fight 427

geddes writes "World chess champion turned opposition leader Gary Kasparov was arrested this morning while leading an march through Moscow in opposition to Russian President Vladamir Putin. Kasporov is a leader of the 'Other Russia' coalition which has been banned by the government from appearing on TV, and had been denied a marching permit. From the New York Times: 'Essentially barred from access to television, members of Other Russia have embraced street protests as the only platform to voice their opposition ahead of parliamentary elections in December and presidential elections next March. Early this month, Mr. Kasyanov's and Mr. Kasparov's Web sites were blocked, though it was unclear by whom.' Kasparov was later released from detention, though he was still fined for participating in the event."
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Gary Kasparov Arrested Over Political Fight

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  • So... (Score:2, Insightful)

    by Rakishi ( 759894 ) on Saturday April 14, 2007 @07:32PM (#18736087)
    Is there another side to this story? IS there a valid reason for the TV ban? Is it even a TV ban? And so on.

    I have long ago learned that slashdot stories and summaries have enough bias in them to drown half the world in so thats why I'm asking.
  • by hey! ( 33014 ) on Saturday April 14, 2007 @07:40PM (#18736173) Homepage Journal
    their political system may be awful mess, but it goddamn cool that being a chess champion there makes you a national hero too big for the government to mess with lightly.
  • Unsurprising (Score:3, Insightful)

    by vertigoCiel ( 1070374 ) on Saturday April 14, 2007 @07:50PM (#18736239)
    Putin has Russia locked down almost as tight as Stalin. Only, instead of killing people, he just chases them out of the country, or locks them up. Remember how one political dissident's lawyer recieved death threats, and fled to Amsterdam? Yeah, guess who ordered the death threats. Hint: It's not Yeltsin. He owns most of the TV and media outlets - he can clean up his mess by making it a non story. I wish Kasparov was only the first example of Putin's ironhold grip on political discussion.
  • by Anonymous Coward on Saturday April 14, 2007 @07:58PM (#18736317)
    Advancing? Bullshit. They are just catching up by stealing the technologies from the Western world and then playing with their currency exchange rates to maximize their profit. If they were advancing at the speed of light then you would assume that there would have been some major scientific and technological breakthroughs that came from China in the last 10 or so years, right? You know, something on the order of the Internet, the cellphone, the transistor, the Big Bang theory, plate tectonics, DNA, etc. Start naming some.

    The heavy handed leadership just means that the government is run by something similar to the Mafia. It doesn't mean that it is the right way to rule.
  • Re:Personally (Score:2, Insightful)

    by plasmacutter ( 901737 ) on Saturday April 14, 2007 @08:17PM (#18736519)

    Otherwise, we'd have really F'd traffic everytime zealots got pissed.


    OMG.. you mean people would actually SEE and/or NOTICE the protestors in the streets, and possibly be educated and recruited to their cause?!

    perish the thought!
  • by Nazlfrag ( 1035012 ) on Saturday April 14, 2007 @08:45PM (#18736711) Journal
    Q: Why is this on slashdot?

    A: Because, Kasparov is a nerd!

  • Re:*cough* (Score:3, Insightful)

    by Khaed ( 544779 ) on Saturday April 14, 2007 @08:49PM (#18736761)
    As opposed to the Free Speech Zones [wikipedia.org] outside the DNC in 2004? I saw the RNC protests, they were a whole lot more "free" to protest than anyone at the DNC.

    *cough* *cough*
  • by exp(pi*sqrt(163)) ( 613870 ) on Saturday April 14, 2007 @08:54PM (#18736795) Journal
    This is exactly the point Kasparov has been trying to make. An important part of playing chess is understanding how to assess your own strength impartially. Kasparov fully understands he is playing from a weak position (he said so on BBC Radio last week). Let's hope he can use this knowledge to do better than others who might rush in foolhardily thinking they are in a psoition of strength.
  • by csmithers ( 675151 ) on Saturday April 14, 2007 @09:03PM (#18736897)
    Vladimir Putin has enjoyed almost rock star like popularity in Russia for his nearly 2 terms now. In fact, several years ago, there was a chart topping single called "Someone like Putin" that was the rage throughout the country (someone that won't leave me, etc, etc). It seems to me that if someone comes along to challenge him, it will take someone of equal or greater popularity to pull it off (someone like Kasparov). Also, I don't really know why, but Russians (at least in Russia), seem to crave a heavy handed goverment, and Putin is more than willing to give it to them. Unfortunately, we really don't understand this phenomenon in the west.
  • by reporter ( 666905 ) on Saturday April 14, 2007 @09:34PM (#18737165) Homepage
    Like Martin Luther King of a prior generation, Gary Kasparov leads a peaceful demonstration. Then, the Russian authorities pounce on him, arrest him, and drag him to be booked at the police station.

    The Russian stormtroopers then club some of the demonstators. When we see the phalanx of Russian special-forces police numbering nearly 9000 (outnumbering the demonstrators by 6 to 1), we are reminded of the American police and their dogs as they nearly mauled the civil-rights demonstrators of the 1960s.

    Yet, one difference still exists between King and Kasparov. An assassin's bullet felled King. What will happen to Kasparov? Will he end in the same fate.

  • by cyphercell ( 843398 ) on Saturday April 14, 2007 @09:42PM (#18737243) Homepage Journal
    Geez, China's relative growth is not a product of totalitarianism. It's the result of a Capitalist experiment conducted by Britain concerning a territory of theirs known as Hong Kong. Hong Kong was returned to China in 1997, currently Hong Kong is still a business world mecca. Mainland China is stuck somewhere between a poverty stricken totalitarian sh*thole and something of a socialist capitalism, essentially torn between business and oldworld governance. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hong_Kong#Economy [wikipedia.org]
  • by Brandybuck ( 704397 ) on Saturday April 14, 2007 @10:00PM (#18737379) Homepage Journal
    If you March anyway you WILL be arrested for trying to exercise your free speech.

    You won't be arrested for your free speech, you will be arrested for blocking traffic, and/or blocking access to buldings. You're free to peacefully march along public access pedestrian sidewalks and in public access parks, so long as you don't restrict others rights to do the same, and don't violate any loitering ordinances.

    In short, you may need permits for certain deeds, but never for words.
  • by Kreplock ( 1088483 ) on Saturday April 14, 2007 @10:03PM (#18737399)
    The Russians may have cheap labor, but that's only because a decent living and viable middle class is being denied them. Russia now has less than half the population of the old Soviet Union - less than 150 million and falling. So there they sit, on the greatest mass of land and resources of any nation with a population that barely bests that of Japan. Their greedy, self-serving Kremlin masters steal anything of value, triggering a tremendous brain-drain, withering the army, and rusting the navy. They are surrounded by energy-hungry nations and remain slaves to the classic Russian Paranoia handed down through the centuries. And, as usual, no matter who's running the place they always employ ham-fisted diplomacy and civil oppression. They still have respectable infrastructure and an somewhat educated workforce to draw upon. Russia could be mighty, wealthy, and successful. Oh well.
  • by TapeCutter ( 624760 ) on Saturday April 14, 2007 @10:35PM (#18737605) Journal
    "There is no bureaucracy to get in the way."

    You have been mislead, China has had a large bureaucracy for the past 2000yrs regardless of who was running the show.
  • by earthforce_1 ( 454968 ) <earthforce_1@yah o o .com> on Saturday April 14, 2007 @11:03PM (#18737817) Journal

    Not so secretly, I long for a libertarian to lower taxes, and leave me and everybody else the f*ck alone to live their lives as they see fit. Sadly, the very sort of people who are attracted to and ultimately end up in positions of power are those who won't leave you alone, and insist on bending you to their will.

  • Re:Why? (Score:1, Insightful)

    by Anonymous Coward on Saturday April 14, 2007 @11:32PM (#18738003)

    Kasparov is worth listening to. He's been publishing op-eds about Russian politics for a couple years now, and they are quite interesting. The ones I've read were in the Wall Street Journal, but I'm sure he's been contributing to other papers too. I'd suggest checking a few of his pieces out to judge for yourself if he's got anything to say, rather than dismissing his opinions out of hand just because he's something of a nerd-celebrity.

  • by narzy ( 166978 ) <{moc.liamg} {ta} {1002yzran}> on Saturday April 14, 2007 @11:38PM (#18738047) Homepage
    there are times in life I wish I had mod points and this is one of them. I'm a big fan of the Russian culture, I find it facinating but the Russian government IMO just can't be trusted. Russia is a country inundated with organized crime and instead of stomping it out the Russian leaders ride the mafia all the way to power. It's sad to see such potential go to waste. During the space race Russia truly did innovate in the beginning giving us yanks one hell of a run for our money until they just couldn't keep up and had to start stealing technology from the US. Unfortunately for the former USSR communism is fundamentally flawed.
  • by kharchenko ( 303729 ) on Saturday April 14, 2007 @11:43PM (#18738073)
    You will get arrested if you don't have a permit. It's a great excuse authorities anywhere can leverage. Remember "freedom cage [google.com]" - a designated protest zone at last GOP convention? Guess what happened when you tried to gather outside of the designated zone?
  • Re:That's it! (Score:1, Insightful)

    by Anonymous Coward on Saturday April 14, 2007 @11:46PM (#18738095)

    Care to suggest a country that combines democracy, freedom (to disagree with majority), compassion (helping decent people get over hard times), responsibility (global warming...) and liberal immigration policy?
    How 'bout Canada?
  • by iminplaya ( 723125 ) on Sunday April 15, 2007 @01:15AM (#18738567) Journal
    Double agents. Police provocation. Believe what you wish.
  • Re:So... (Score:2, Insightful)

    by KDR_11k ( 778916 ) on Sunday April 15, 2007 @01:31AM (#18738633)
    IIRC all media outlets are owned or controlled by Putin, he can pretty much say what gets aired and what not.
  • by plasmacutter ( 901737 ) on Sunday April 15, 2007 @01:32AM (#18738645)
    then you arrest the adventurists, not shut down the protest or require permits.

    at many sports events there are similar "adventurists". they get drunk and routy, then throw beer at players or other spectators and start fights. do they arrest everyone around that guy? no. do they require permits from everyone who wants to play street footbal or street hockey? no, they arrest the troublemaker and go away.

    put up or shut up with your "adventurists". (and no.. major news channels dont count for this, you need to have on the ground first hand video of "adventurists" instigating things)
  • Re:ches mate... (Score:5, Insightful)

    by TheoMurpse ( 729043 ) on Sunday April 15, 2007 @01:39AM (#18738689) Homepage
    I don't understand why this is funny -- I mean, it's a play on words, sure. Do that many Slashdotters think Czech was ever part of the USSR? It wasn't. Beyond that, Kasparov was born in Azerbaijan, which is nowhere near Czech. Also, for the mods: his name is Garry. With two arrs.
  • by Jarjarthejedi ( 996957 ) <christianpinch@gm[ ].com ['ail' in gap]> on Sunday April 15, 2007 @01:49AM (#18738743) Journal
    I have to agree, I can't think of any examples, and yet the post gets modded +4 informative...either everyone else on Slashdot knows of hundreds of examples or /. is becoming very liberal in it's US bashing w/out evidence...
  • by Catbeller ( 118204 ) on Sunday April 15, 2007 @02:07AM (#18738827) Homepage
    The U.S. has been at war with the socialist bogeyman since Marx published. I don't need to say too much how much the Gilded Age wealthy used their newspapers and their government influence to convince people that labor laws = unions = communism = anarchy = slavery = the end of the world. Those men were the among the worst slavers in history. They should have felt right at home.

    After the Revolution in Russia, the entire myth building machine went into batshit insane mode. We spend untold trillions of dollars and who knows how many billions of hours of people's lives fighting the Commie Devil. Certainly millions were slaughtered -- we killed a million alone in Vietnam. Now we have the Terrorist Menace, and they are sticking us for trillions more and killing hundreds of thousands in the name of security, and even invoke the democracy meme again, tho it really doesn't apply. The last of the Commie war is still being fought against a dirt poor Cuba which would be a damned sight less poor if we hadn't embargoed it for half a century.

    Russia wasn't the almighty military enemy the commie warriors said it was. The story of how the Pentagon and the CIA were pummeled into line, despite evidence they knew about that said they were far weaker and poorer than the civilian warriors demanded they see it, still remains to be told. It's a story Americans will not listen to. We had our first Iraq over sixty years ago.

    Soooo. Soviet Union fell, turned into a hell on earth controlled by crime syndicates. We were fine with that! At least we can do business with the guy who cuts a prostitute up for holding back. So Putin has golden plumbing *on his airplane*. That's capitalism, by definition better than anything.

    Now we have a fascist state rising from the criminal state. We're still okay with that. Putin has a good soul, Bush saw it in his eyes. A little polonium and a few reporters with their brains splattered in front of their homes is just the stuff of hard politics. Cheney probably smirks when he hears about that.

    They could strip people to the bone with boiling oil, and we'd STILL think they were better than them commies. As a matter of fact, they ARE boiling people's skin off with vats of oil. We don't care.

    Vonnegut said that what we see today is the rise to power of psychopathic personalities. People like them because they are decisive. But, they are decisive because they don't care about the repercussions of their decisions. Putin is strong, and Russians like strong men, as Hendrick Smith wrote. I'd like to point out that PP leaders also require a large population of PPs who don't care either. Without masses of people with no moral sense, PPs can't keep power.

    As long as unions are illegal and we can do business with someone, we don't fuck with them. Rule by kleptocrats. I'd rather have a socialist neighbor who spends all their money on health care and full employment than a hypermilitary power ruled by psychopaths. But we're so fixated on our century and a half of war (on the behalf of the very wealthy who created the war in fear of change in their power) on commies, unions and suchlike that we will support a thousand mirrorshaded mass murderers who will sell us bananas at near cost than a socialist who wants to spread the wealth. The mountain of bodies we have dedicated to the god of money must be a thousand feet tall.

    Russia's core problem with "freedom" and "democracy" was that they were Russians. What they do to the weak is part of their culture, not about Marxism. communism was our bogeyman, not theirs, as we see clearly now. They have a fascist soul, and it doesn't matter how the paychecks are cut -- it's about power. But we loves us some businessmen. We don't want democracy, we want money, we want gas pipelines, we want cheap labor. We are looking straight into the face of pure evil and laughing as it beats the democrats in the streets of Russia. Fuck those losers, they were blocking traffic. Party on.
  • by Evets ( 629327 ) on Sunday April 15, 2007 @02:29AM (#18738951) Homepage Journal
    Cindy Sheehan getting arrested for wearing an anti-war t-shirt was a pretty good example of how in the US, our basic assumed freedoms are not exactly what they appear.

    I've watched plenty of people get arrested for simply being in the wrong place at the wrong time.

    I don't want to make this a Dem vs. Rep thing, being a worthless leader is hardly a party specific character trait. Most of the absurd arrests are from an overzealous idiot somewhere relatively low on the totem pole, but violations of the basic rights we were all told we have in elementary school happen on a daily basis all over the country and it is rare that those violations are addressed in any meaningful manner.
  • by rts008 ( 812749 ) on Sunday April 15, 2007 @04:50AM (#18739601) Journal
    Don't use modpoints to 'further your opinion', they are meant to further increase CONSTRUCTIVE discussion, not as a means to 'slap down your opponents'.

    As a side note, I happen to basically agree with both you and Kreplock, however my uneasy feeling has a root in the 150 million statistic without citing any sources.
    I do not question the accuracy of that number (not the issue for my concern here) Kreplock uses, only the fact that no sources were offered + your ability to 'jump on the bandwagon' with modpoints without ANY objective viewpoint for the discussion.

    When (if!) you actually get modpoints to 'play' with, read the moderator's guidelines....an obvious link to these will be provided to you if you ever get the mod points.

    If you've already been granted modpoints, then DO check out that moderator's guidelines link that is displayed when you click on that 'You have Moderator Points' link.

    P.S. Kreplock...you just got in the crossfire- sorry! :)
              narzy...modpoints aren't WMD, they're meant to further reasonable discussion, not as 'smack down' device.
  • by LKM ( 227954 ) on Sunday April 15, 2007 @05:41AM (#18739775)
    Argument: "Lots of people stole stuff."
    Counter-Argument: "You're wrong: Persons A, B and C did not steal stuff."

    Do you see the logical fallacy in your arugment?
  • by FreeUser ( 11483 ) on Sunday April 15, 2007 @08:18AM (#18740453)
    Not so secretly, I long for a libertarian to lower taxes, and leave me and everybody else the f*ck alone to live their lives as they see fit. Sadly, the very sort of people who are attracted to and ultimately end up in positions of power are those who won't leave you alone, and insist on bending you to their will.

    While I agree with much of what the Libertarians say with regard to less government restrictions on individual freedoms and lower taxes, they also advocate less government regulation of industry (in fact, they advocate virtual no restriction on corporate behaviour). This poses a problem and is their achialles heel: unregulated capitalsim tends to evolve into corporate fascism, as the 19th century proved very dramatically (c.f. child labour, private police murders of early union organisers, etc.).

    Having a weak democratically elected government, and undemocratic corporatism running rampent is a sure recipe for the very authoritarianism you and I both decry. The only difference is that the dictators will come from captains of industry and private armies, rather than politicians and publicly funded armies.

    What we need is a hybrid of Libertarianism and social liberalism, where indivudual freedom is held sacrosanct, but corporations are treated as governance bodies and required to submit to the same constitutional limitations on their treatment of human beings just as political governance bodies (i.e. the "government"). Alas, I see no one advocating such a thing--which leaves a gaping political hole in the landscape where a non-dystopian future might lie.
  • Re:ches mate... (Score:3, Insightful)

    by TheoMurpse ( 729043 ) on Sunday April 15, 2007 @08:52AM (#18740595) Homepage
    I don't deny that Czech has had close ties with Russia in the past. What I was confused by was basically what happened between A (editor), B (GGP), and C (mods):

    A: Dude from Russia
    B: Czech joke!
    C: LOL!!!!!MODMODMODMODMOD

    I mean, there's no denying that New York and Texas have a relationship as well, but you don't see this being funny (well, pretend it'd be funny on its merits):
    -What's a Texan's favorite broadway show?
    -New York, New York!
    -LOL!!!
  • by nephridium ( 928664 ) on Sunday April 15, 2007 @09:01AM (#18740641)
    The very fact that Franco rose to power and established his fascist government at the very same time the neighboring countries were liberated is a huge indicator that fascism wasn't that much of a problem for the western governments/elites than the threat of a social revolution posed.

    While after Europe was rid of the plague of German fascism the socialists/workers in Spain struggled against their own fascist dictator, who was backed by the usual suspects (i.e. a bigger part of the military and the old 'elite') and ignored by all of the allied governments who were just too busy celebrating their "victory" over fascism. If the fighting in WWII had really been for the sake of protecting democracy and fighting fascism the very fact of Franco, being an overt authoritarian fascist ruler, should have made him an enemy, not "neutral"!

    This concept was continued by the new superpower to rise after WWII, the US. And there is ample evidence in the events that happened ever since and the situation at this very moment that the socialist movement was seen as a far greater problem than fascism ever was. Just have a look at the history of the countries of Indochina, Iran, Iraq and a host of South American countries during the "Cold" War. You'll see time and again that democratically elected socialist governments were violently disposed followed by an authoritarian/fascist corrupt governments with the support of the US military/intelligence.
  • by Xyrus ( 755017 ) on Sunday April 15, 2007 @10:34AM (#18741083) Journal
    "What will happen to Kasparov? Will he end in the same fate?"

    Polonium.

    ~X~
  • by Original Replica ( 908688 ) on Sunday April 15, 2007 @01:50PM (#18742631) Journal
    If Putin is truely popular because of his faith in Russia, and Kasparov is not, why won't Putin let Kasparov be heard and shouted down by the people? Let Putin's rule stand on it own merit, not propped up by police enforcement.

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