Vonage Loses VoIP Case With Verizon 150
cdrudge writes "A federal jury on Thursday said Vonage Holdings Corp. violated 3 of 5 patents of Verizon Communications Inc. and ordered the upstart Internet-phone company to pay $58m in damages as well as 5.5% in royalty fees per month per customer. Verizon said it would seek an injunction to block Vonage from using its patented technology. The jury did reject Verizon's claim of $200m in damages and that Vonage deliberately violated Verizon's patents. As you might expect, Vonage said it would appeal the decision and seek a stay if an injunction is granted. Judge Claude Hilton set a hearing for March 23 on whether to grant an injunction."
Re:Hmmm... (Score:5, Informative)
I cannot even conceive of using 500 minutes in a single month.
Re:What patents ? (Score:5, Informative)
http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601087&s
Alternative (Score:2, Informative)
Google patent search is your friend (Score:5, Informative)
Re:Hmmm... (Score:4, Informative)
2) calls to toll free numbers don't come out of the 500 bucket.
3) calls to Vonage customers don't come out of the 500 bucket.
It's harder to burn through 500 Vonage minutes than one would think.
Holy...crap... (Score:5, Informative)
http://patft.uspto.gov/netacgi/nph-Parser?u=%2Fne
So basically any VOIP system utilizing a database to authenticate callers and bill them for usage is infringement. Amazing.
http://patft.uspto.gov/netacgi/nph-Parser?u=%2Fne
VOIP DNS.
http://patft.uspto.gov/netacgi/nph-Parser?u=%2Fne
Same.
http://patft.uspto.gov/netacgi/nph-Parser?u=%2Fne
Voice mail / call waiting / call forwarding I assume. Now this is proprietary because it's been ported to VOIP systems?
http://patft.uspto.gov/netacgi/nph-Parser?u=%2Fne
This looks more applicable to wireless networks; I wonder how it applied in this case.
what PDF's? (Score:1, Informative)
Re:Hmmm... (Score:5, Informative)
I've had no problems with the service, and they were very helpful in porting my previous Vonage number over. They do offer a few other plans, but the ala carte offering worked best for me.
Prior Art: Free World Dialup, MSN Messenger? (Score:4, Informative)
Re:Maybe a little dose of reality (Score:2, Informative)
Everyone pays for everything, there is no free. When will you people quit saying that "it's free"?!
Re:Maybe a little dose of reality (Score:2, Informative)
I'm sure Vonage has bandwidth bills to pay. Every VOIP installation is sitting on some ISPs line (like Verizion, SBC and other existing phone companies) which said ISP is getting paid money for.
This is not very far from the net net neutrality debate. I pay Verizon cash money for a rated connection to the internet. Should they be allowed to tell me what kind of packets i can put on the line?
Re:Prior Art: Free World Dialup, MSN Messenger? (Score:5, Informative)
As someone mentioned earlier, here are the patent numbers: 6137869 [billing algorithm for voip], 6104711 [dns for voip],6282574 [dns for voip], 6298062 [conversion of PSTN signals to IP packets and providing PSTN services over IP networks], 6359880 [Wireless VOIP router]. I am not going to link these to the patent office because it's tedious, but you can look them up for yourself.
Net2Phone, launched their VOIP services back in 1997 [net2phone.com]. In order to establish said services they implemented most if not all of the above claimed patents and did so before most of the patent applications were filed. The only two which were filed before the service was launched were the first two patents in the above list and they are certainly not unique and unobvious. Billing for VOIP services? Pretty obvious since they announced their pay service in 1995 which was 2 years prior to the patent application. The second one was simply DNS extended to provide things like caller ID. Not exactly ground breaking but this is perhaps the only leverage they may have IF nobody else was providing VOIP services at the time or prior to. That is a big IF because it is likely many of the telcos were already using something similar for digital cell phone networks such as GSM (which is also a packet network created around 1993).
Of course there is also the Network Voice Protocol [wikipedia.org] which was the first implementation of VOIP invented in 1973 which preceded all the patents. My point is, they really don't have much of a case with these patents.
Re:Hmmm... (Score:3, Informative)
When I first signed up for Vonage I bought a $200 multi-cordless phone system (Current model is Uniden TRU9485-3) that is pretty nice, but at the same time I have saved about $1,400 since moving to Vonage.