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Europe Moves To Track Phone and Net Use 120

An anonymous reader writes with a NYTimes piece on the early moves by European governments to implement an EU data retention directive. The governments of Germany and the Netherlands are initially proposing much more stringent programs than the EU directive requires. For example, the German proposal "would essentially prohibit using false information to create an e-mail account, making the standard Internet practice of creating accounts with pseudonyms illegal." The Times notes that, early days as it is, nevertheless some people involved in the issue are "concerned about a shift in policy in Europe, which has long been a defender of individuals' privacy rights."
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Europe Moves To Track Phone and Net Use

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  • by TheMeuge ( 645043 ) on Tuesday February 20, 2007 @05:37PM (#18087988)
    I think finding ways around this is all well and good, but the question is why is our society moving so intently towards a system when the citizens NEED to do it, in order to feel safe.

    I have said on several occasions, that we will find ourselves in trouble, when technology finally allows for constant surveillance of every member of society everywhere, all the time. Given historical and current precedents, it's logical to assume that once such capacity exists, it will be rapidly implemented.

    I have this cold chill down my spine, telling me that perhaps Hitler was right about the 1000-year-Reich, but was just off by a few decades. After all, total surveillance will finally allow the government to fulfill what seems to be its chief purpose anyway - maintaining the status quo indefinitely.
  • Odd... (Score:5, Interesting)

    by faloi ( 738831 ) on Tuesday February 20, 2007 @05:39PM (#18088026)
    I find the monitoring of citizens location during every moment of a cell phone call to be a bit more frightening than not being able to use false data to register an email address. Why'd the pseudonym get bigger billing, as it were?
  • by RAMMS+EIN ( 578166 ) on Tuesday February 20, 2007 @07:39PM (#18089632) Homepage Journal
    ``Joe Terrorist will be using encrypted communications and the like - stuff that already requires a team of specialists to track.''

    People keep repeating that, but is it actually true? The black hats make mistakes, too. Shouldn't increasing the number of ways in which they can trip up increase our chances of finding them out before they strike?
  • Doesn't surprice me. (Score:3, Interesting)

    by Yaa 101 ( 664725 ) on Tuesday February 20, 2007 @07:56PM (#18089818) Journal
    What The Netherlands propagate is their own use for many years to tap each and any phone call by Israeli black boxes while signing contracts that forbid the same government from inspecting what is going on in these black boxes. The Dutch government think this is the best thing to do.

    During WWII the Dutch government was as zealous about these things as they are now and had none whatsoever problem in sharing their records on Jewish and other wanted people with the NAZIS. The current political generation behaves not really different from that time so don't look strange if they sell out their populace again.
  • Re:Inevitability (Score:2, Interesting)

    by Comen ( 321331 ) on Tuesday February 20, 2007 @08:55PM (#18090530)
    Um, the reason we dont simply Vote Them Out! is because that would mean that you would be voting someone in that would stop whatever actions you feel are not right.
    Right now those people simply dont exist.
    What makes you think that you will always be given a choice, sure you can pick A B or C but what if all the choices are just the same choice?
    In a system like that, revolution might be the only way, and even then you have to wait till things are so bad, people just wont take it any more, things have to reach a tipping point.
    The government knows this, so they keep people just happy enough with the little things people are afraid to lose, house, cars etc... that you dont mind giving up the little things till its to late.
    Dont make it sound so simple as just vote them out! it really not that easy.
    This is the exact reason why so many people get so fustrated with out government today.
    There is not a politician that represents many of the things, many of us feel strongly about, and even if there was, you either would not get the financial backing you would need from corporations, or you would be brushed aside by media ready to cover Anna Nichole Smith, or they would just make you look like you on the side of terorists or some such nonsense.
    Either way right now it seems like you either play ball, or you dont play, giving us the same smucks every year and nothing really changes unless they want it to. this is how it is setup to work. If that makes you think you are changing things and are in control then its working.
  • by trenien ( 974611 ) on Tuesday February 20, 2007 @11:12PM (#18091844)
    You must remember (know ?) one thing: the EU current political system has been carefully designed to allow people who shouldn't have that power in the first place - the Commission - have the first and final say in crafting EU's laws (the 'directives').

    The Commission mostly present itself as a legislative power, and when they make the various countries' legislatures pass laws that never would had gone through on the local level, the Executive branch moan that it's not their faults but that of big bad ol' EU.

    They conveniently forget that the Commission is made-up of people designated by the various Executive powers and from then on are mostly unnaccountable for whatever they do. The 'check and balance' with the parliament is mostly a joke.

It's a naive, domestic operating system without any breeding, but I think you'll be amused by its presumption.

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