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The Privacy Candidate 593

Alsee writes "Wired News reports 'electronic civil libertarians' hearts are a-twitter' over US Presidential hopeful Senator Hillary Clinton's bold stance on the right to privacy. Wired quotes Clinton: 'At all levels, the privacy protections for ordinary citizens are broken, inadequate and out of date.' Clinton gave a speech last June to the American Constitution Society (text, WMF) in which she addressed electronic surveillance, consumer opt-in vs. opt-out, cyber-security, commercial and government handling of personal data, data offshoring, data leaks, and even genetic discrimination." Would you consider a candidate's stand on privacy important enough to sway your vote?
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The Privacy Candidate

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  • by Anonymous Coward on Sunday January 28, 2007 @08:15PM (#17793442)
    Wasn't she the Senator who wanted to force government regulation of video games? [gamespot.com]

    So, um, no. I don't think I'd vote for her regardless of what her stance of privacy is.
  • by petrus4 ( 213815 ) on Sunday January 28, 2007 @08:36PM (#17793616) Homepage Journal
    ...that even among other such politicians, Hillary is one of the most blatant, shameless populists ever to have walked the Earth. Her perspectives, her very mind itself in its' entirety is completely for sale, for the purpose of gaining votes.

    She might be making noises about the "right to privacy," right now, but please try and remember that when Jack Thompson and the other usual suspects were screeching and crying about violence in video games, she supported that, too. She tries to determine which way the wind is blowing, and when she suspects that she has, then jumps on what she feels is the dominant voter bandwagon at any given point in time. But she is not the archetypical Slashbot's friend...or really anyone else's, for that matter.
  • by sgt_doom ( 655561 ) on Sunday January 28, 2007 @09:12PM (#17793872)
    Extremely well articulated, Citizen Atilla Dimedici (great name, BTW)!!

    The best records in congress are held by Rep. Kucinich, Senator Sherrod Brown, Senator Russell Feingold, and as always, Senator Bernard Sanders of Vermont.....(Although I am glad to see a fellow Vietnam veteran, Hegel of Ohio, finally retracted his head out of his butt and is finally seeing the light on the illegitimate and unlawful invasion and occupation of Iraq - WHERE THE HELL IS OSAMA - hiding in the Bush family basement????)

  • by Crudely_Indecent ( 739699 ) on Sunday January 28, 2007 @09:14PM (#17793892) Journal
    Interestingly enough, he's also a candidate for the 2008 presidential election. Congressman Paul ran for president once before as a libertarian candidate, but was defeated (no suprise, since only republicrats are allowed to win) He has since aligned himself as a Republican congressman, but maintains libertarian values and has consistently voted against bad policy (he voted against the Patriot act, against Iraq, against the Military Commissions act, and against the John Warner Defense Authorization Act)

    As far as I've read, Ron Paul has never made a campaign promise that he didn't keep. If he makes it onto the presidential ballot, he has my vote.
  • by kleinmatic ( 129203 ) on Sunday January 28, 2007 @09:21PM (#17793940) Homepage
    I'm sure few people here actually read this. I can hardly blame you -- it's long, and it's mostly just bland generalities, with the details both rare and disappointing.

    There's nothing new in the speech. She talks a lot about data breaches. Those are devastating, sure, but they're hardly an "issue." Being against data breaches offends no constituency (who *isn't* against them?) -- it's like being "tough on crime." She seems to be against a lot of things that nobody is for.

    However, she spends very little time on what most of us think of when we talk about "privacy" -- that is, the government's prohibition, under the fourth amendment, against searching us without probable cause, and without a warrant. In fact, she comes to the conclusion that the warrantless searches the Bush administration are doing are probably fine. She believes in the same odious calculation that defines rights and security as mutually exclusive constraints, that have to be "balanced."

    Rather, she only takes Bush to task for not letting congress in on the action. That is, had only Bush asked congress for "authorization" -- which would surely have been forthcoming -- everything would have been okay. "Let is in on the action," she seems to say, "and we'll make sure you get the warrants so your policies will be easier to sell to the masses." Instead of real criticism of a policy that's both illegal and that actually makes us less safe [schneier.com], we get criticism over tactics, and parochial self-interest.

    The title and blurb for this are completely misleading.
  • Depends... (Score:2, Informative)

    by zogger ( 617870 ) on Sunday January 28, 2007 @09:31PM (#17794010) Homepage Journal
    "Would you consider a candidate's stand on privacy important enough to sway your vote?"...yes, it would, but certainly not Hillary, not with her background, but any consideration would have to take into account all the issues..

    IMO, the US has had quite enough with the bush/clinton dynasty for a quarter century now to show that aristocracy doesn't work and is a bad idea. I'm sorry but we aren't supposed to have some sort of hereditary "lords" class. It's just slap wrong. 300 million and change now in this nation, how about we give some other folks a crack at it, eh?

        How about a candidate who is concerned about ALL your rights, all of them up and down the list, and has the best track record bar none in Congress to protect your rights *and* your wallet, and really groks what national security and soverignty is really about and wouldn't try to pass off blood profits wars for the transnationals as being in our best interest, someone like Ron Paul, who has an exploratory committe open now?

      If he got 1/50th of the news coverage Hillary gets from the controlled propaganda press, or even 1/10th the coverage that Obama dude gets, he'd be the next president handily. Well, given we clean up blackbox voting first of course.
  • Although I am glad to see a fellow Vietnam veteran, Hegel of Ohio, finally retracted his head out of his butt and is finally seeing the light on the illegitimate and unlawful invasion and occupation of Iraq
    And just what is it that makes an invasion "legitimate"? I'll use Ayn Rand's definition: a tyranny is not a legitimate government, thus has no right to sovereignity. This means ANY free nation has the right to invade ANY dictatorship to overthrow its rulers at ANY moment they find convenient.
  • by Anonymous Coward on Sunday January 28, 2007 @09:39PM (#17794066)

    I don't know Hillary's record on privacy, but I suspect it is not good.
    If you don't know her voting record, then on what are you basing your suspicion?

    Maybe the fact that she's a senator, and that the senate voted 98-1 in favor of the PATRIOT Act?

    Maybe she was the 1.

    Nope, http://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/roll_call_li sts/roll_call_vote_cfm.cfm?congress=107&session=1& vote=00313 [senate.gov] says that Feingold was the 1. Landrieu didn't vote. Hillary voted yes.

    A healthy distrust of politicians is not FUD nor cynicism but merely realism.
  • by that this is not und ( 1026860 ) on Sunday January 28, 2007 @09:45PM (#17794112)
    The SSN should be used LESS than it presently is, and in fact a good legislative privacy initiative would start by forcing that. You possibly (doubtful) know that in the original Social Security legislation, it was prohibited to use the SSN for any other purpose than Social Security administration. It's just 'crept in' as a 'universal ID number' and frankly it should creep back out. There should be NO non-government non-SSA use of the SSN for anything.

  • by MacDork ( 560499 ) on Sunday January 28, 2007 @10:37PM (#17794642) Journal
    According to this page: [ontheissues.org]
    • Metal detectors at school are not much of an intrusion. (Jun 1999)
    • License and register all handgun sales. (Jun 2000)
    • Voted YES on loosening restrictions on cell phone wiretapping. (Oct 2001)
    • Voted NO on require photo ID (not just signature) for voter registration. (Feb 2002)
    • Voted NO on extending the PATRIOT Act's wiretap provision. (Dec 2005)
    • Voted YES on reauthorizing the PATRIOT Act. (Mar 2006)
    • And of course... Pushing for privacy bill of rights. (Jun 2006)

    So she supports privacy when it suits her agenda, just like everyone else in DC.

  • by flyingsquid ( 813711 ) on Sunday January 28, 2007 @11:40PM (#17795142)
    As for Senator Clinton being a pro privacy advocate? I would say that needs to be taken with a grain of salt. It was her husband who started echelon


    The Echelon program did not start under Clinton. From Wikipedia: "Reportedly created to monitor the military and diplomatic communications of the Soviet Union and its East Bloc allies during the Cold War in the early sixties, today ECHELON is believed to search also for hints of terrorist plots, drug-dealers' plans, and political and diplomatic intelligence."

  • Re:America!=USA (Score:1, Informative)

    by Anonymous Coward on Monday January 29, 2007 @12:49AM (#17795658)
    I love it when you pedants run your idiot traps, especially when you're wrong.

    The two continents are NORTH America, and SOUTH America. If discussed as a single landmass they are... THE AMERICAS.

    If we're discussing what "America" includes, then we have to rely on the vernacular, in which the most accepted usage (by far) is that America=USA.

    You're wrong and a pedant. Kill yourself for caring about this enough to post it then get it wrong. How does it feel to care about something that doesn't matter AND be wrong about it? For you, it must feel like a Tuesday.
  • by unassimilatible ( 225662 ) on Monday January 29, 2007 @03:18AM (#17796558) Journal
    Hillary was moving to the right to secure her national security cred, then the War became unpopular, and now she is running to the left. She is so disingenuous that SNL - no conservative bastion - parodied the crap out of her last week.

    I'd also warn everyone that the founder of Hillarycare - the mandatory socialized medicine boondoggle that would have banned private payer insurance - doesn't sound all that right-to-privacy to me (the right to privacy, not enumerated in the Constitution, was based on liberty). And let's remember that it was her hubby who authorized Echelon [wikipedia.org] and searching Aldrich Ames [wikipedia.org] without a warrant.

  • Legitimate invasions (Score:4, Informative)

    by Per Abrahamsen ( 1397 ) on Monday January 29, 2007 @05:14AM (#17797100) Homepage
    > And just what is it that makes an invasion "legitimate"?

    That country invading an ally of yours. George H. W. Bush's invasion of Iraq was legitimate.
  • by benhocking ( 724439 ) <benjaminhocking@nOsPAm.yahoo.com> on Monday January 29, 2007 @09:47AM (#17798702) Homepage Journal
    This page [lewrockwell.com] has a table that shows the number of vetoes each president has made (including a surprisingly high number of pocket vetoes [wikipedia.org]). You'll notice that those numbers are quite high amongst some of our more respected presidents of late (Reagan: 78, Eisenhower: 181, Truman: 250, FDR: 635). Of course you said, "presidents aren't likely to use it when it needs to be used", so perhaps the emphasis is on "when it needs to be used". Do you have any examples in mind? (I'm not disputing your point, I just can't say I've paid that much attention to it.)
  • by rifter ( 147452 ) on Monday January 29, 2007 @03:21PM (#17803366) Homepage

    So - for instance - the veto should have been used when the ex post facto law that felons, already convicted, could not own firearms, because this adds to their punishment after conviction and is manifestly unconstitutional. There are other ex post facto violations that should have been defended as well.

    While I agree that presidents should veto (and congress not vote for) laws which they deem unconstitutional, it's important to use proper terms here. The argument could be made that laws restricting felons' access to firearms is unconstitutional because it violates the second amendment [cornell.edu] (in fact, I think it does, despite how I might feel about armed felons). But it is not an ex post facto law; you seem to be confused about the meaning of the term.

    An ex post facto law criminalizes past behaviour [cornell.edu]. The behaviour that of which felons were convicted was criminal at the time they engaged in it, which the law regarding firearms for felons does not change. It does prescribe an additional punishment, and if applied to felons with past convictions is adding punishment after the fact and in many cases after the sentence has been served. Quite apart from the issue of second amendment rights this arguably could violate those due process provisions enumerated in the 5th [cornell.edu], 6th [cornell.edu], 8th [cornell.edu], and 14th [cornell.edu] amendments (there are more pieces for due process but these are the amendments that seem most to apply to this particular case). Since many laws regarding the rights of felons are state laws, the 14th amendment is especially important.

    Nevertheless, despite the fact that one might disagree with the constitutionality of these laws regarding felons, ex post facto is not really one of them.

    Incidentally, rereading the 14th amendment I realized that what I had considered a far more egregious offence, that of removing the right to vote from felons, is actually provided for in that amendment. It says in part:

    "But when the right to vote at any election for the choice of electors for President and Vice President of the United States, Representatives in Congress, the executive and judicial officers of a state, or the members of the legislature thereof, is denied to any of the male inhabitants of such state, being twenty-one years of age, and citizens of the United States, or in any way abridged, except for participation in rebellion, or other crime, the basis of representation therein shall be reduced in the proportion which the number of such male citizens shall bear to the whole number of male citizens twenty-one years of age in such state."

    We should all read and become more familiar with the Constitution. It would be better for all were we to commit its words to memory. It's especially important that those who serve us know it well, but just as Jude [wikipedia.org] pointed out that the students he had bested at reciting the Apostles' Creed in Latin were at a disadvantage in determining whether he had recited correctly, we are at a disadvantage in rebuking our leaders for violating their oath to the Constitution when we do not learn it ourselves.

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