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Hans Reiser in Court Today 496

An anonymous reader writes "Hans Reiser has pled not guilty to murdering his wife and invoked his right to a speedy trial. He will attend a hearing today where the judge will decide if the state has a case " We had covered this story back when it had first broke; and for those of you playing catch-up, Hans is the author of ReiserFS.
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Hans Reiser in Court Today

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  • Re:his wife (Score:1, Insightful)

    by Anonymous Coward on Monday December 11, 2006 @09:42AM (#17193442)
    Did they ever find his wife or is she still missing?

    Way to RTFA...
  • by Picass0 ( 147474 ) on Monday December 11, 2006 @09:49AM (#17193502) Homepage Journal
    "We had covered this story back when it had first broke; "

    Yet somehow you managed to never run a single story on James Kim.
  • by drgonzo59 ( 747139 ) on Monday December 11, 2006 @09:52AM (#17193536)
    Who is James Kim?
  • by Anonymous Coward on Monday December 11, 2006 @09:55AM (#17193558)
    "We had covered this story back when it had first broke; "
    Should be: "We covered this story back when it first broke "
    I hate grammar Nazis.
  • Comment removed (Score:5, Insightful)

    by account_deleted ( 4530225 ) on Monday December 11, 2006 @09:59AM (#17193594)
    Comment removed based on user account deletion
  • Re:Thank you media (Score:5, Insightful)

    by msobkow ( 48369 ) on Monday December 11, 2006 @10:05AM (#17193642) Homepage Journal

    Personally I like the fact that national media leaves a lot of local stories uncovered. It gives the accused a chance to have an unbiased jury, though a change of venue may be required. If they're cleared, the minimal media slam means they can rebuild elsewhere after the page 2 apologies fails to change the minds of those who "know" they're guilty.

    Papparatzi chasing famous people while they make fools of themselves in public is one thing. That same mentality destroying careers on the basis of accusation instead of conviction is not what "freedom of speech" was ever about.

    Canadian courts typically restrict publication from the initial hearing onwards. The only time you see further information is if the defense is making preliminary statements about their planned approach, especially if they expect to raise constitutional or human rights issues. That serves to warn the bar that there may be a precedence case coming up.

    I hope the accusations turn out false, but Hans' infamous temper isn't going to help him with this argument.

  • by Thyrus ( 973839 ) on Monday December 11, 2006 @10:07AM (#17193678)
    You guys are lucky! Here in the UK they Government/Police can keep trying again and again until they get the result they want.
  • Re:Free Hans (Score:2, Insightful)

    by Anonymous Coward on Monday December 11, 2006 @10:15AM (#17193764)
    Those accusations were made by Hans and they did nothing but draw attention to the fact he is as nutty as a fruit cake.
  • Re:Thank you media (Score:1, Insightful)

    by Anonymous Coward on Monday December 11, 2006 @10:26AM (#17193860)
    Thank you media for not blowing this up to Scott Peterson level.

    Reiser's wife probrably wasn't as attractive as Laci Peterson. The media only showcases good looking victims.
  • by Anonymous Coward on Monday December 11, 2006 @10:28AM (#17193874)
    Lemme guess... You're a Digg reader? If so, go away. Yes the James Kim story was very tragic and I feel very much for the family. But based on the idiotic level of commentary that popped up on Digg regarding the story, I think it's better than Slashdot DIDN'T cover the story. Why? Because we'd be getting retards like you trying to use it to make points about god knows what. There were too many people on Digg who spent time talking about how THEY would have NEVER done X, Y, and Z and their families would have been home by dinner time with fresh bear meat. I'm sorry, but taking nature survival classes, knowing how to hunt, or experience on a farm will NOT save you in the situation that James Kim was in. Think about it. He had no idea if help was coming, so he ventured out hoping that he'd be able to make some headway. He TRIED. He probably did it because he didn't want to come off like he didn't know what to do to his family. He wanted to make an effort rather than just sitting there twiddling his thumbs hoping for help that may never come. To be honest, no matter how you look at it, he succeeded in saving his family. He at least knew enough to NOT take his family with him and risk their lives too. And you know what? THEY'RE ALIVE thanks to that decision. He had a 50/50 chance no matter how you look at it and he made the best decision he could under that kind of pressure. So basically, I think all Digg readers should fuck off.

    Regarding Reiser, as much as it pains me, I think I have accepted that unless they can really clear him of the picture painted by the circumstantial evidence, he's up shit creek. If he did kill her, then he deserves it. A lot of arrogant geeks seem to think they are godlike and that they can get away with anything. It's possible that he fits that standard mold to a T. If he didn't do it, then his side had damn well better find proof because that's what it's going to take at this point. The speedy trial thing actually has me worried. While it's something that I believe everyone should be guaranteed, I also know that it's possible that with the right lawyer he could get away with murder on a technicality. That would not be right, but it's not like it hasn't happened before. Crimes of passion can be quite ugly and I think they do throw the perpetrators mentally out of whack for life. If he did do it, he's certainly got internal demons that will follow him for all the days of his life. Sadly, based on his biography, I'd say he seems to be a perfect fit for the type of arrogant geek who thinks they can get away with anything as long as they plan it well enough. That kind of geek needs to be knocked down the entire set of ladder rungs and then have their face ground into the dirt and through the other side of the planet. Maybe then their overinflated egos will be right sized to a humble enough level. Note that I feel I can say this because I AM a geek and I do believe I have limitations which I happily accept.
  • by nietsch ( 112711 ) on Monday December 11, 2006 @10:37AM (#17193976) Homepage Journal
    was the revenge bit, which was at the center of that argument. Do you really think revenge is going to do any good? You know where an 'eye for an eye' leads to? If you need to kill somebody to feel better, no matter what the circumstances, you belong behind bars or in a psychiatric ward.
  • Re:Thank you media (Score:5, Insightful)

    by Mr. Underbridge ( 666784 ) on Monday December 11, 2006 @10:40AM (#17194014)

    Reiser's wife probrably wasn't as attractive as Laci Peterson. The media only showcases good looking victims.

    Other factors:

    Laci was pregnant. Laci went missing on Christmas Eve (I believe). Laci had a lot of friends and a large family, all of whom coordinated a media blitz.

  • by GigsVT ( 208848 ) on Monday December 11, 2006 @10:41AM (#17194036) Journal
    That's mainly because of the bullshit drug war though. If you remove drug "crimes" we'd have a lot less people in prison.
  • by Shakrai ( 717556 ) on Monday December 11, 2006 @10:44AM (#17194072) Journal

    He's a guy who apparently owned neither a GPS NOR a 406 EPIRB.

    They weren't out hiking in the wilderness as I understand it. They drove down a closed seasonal road by mistake and got stuck.

    Do you carry an EPIRB in your car? I know that I don't.

  • by Shakrai ( 717556 ) on Monday December 11, 2006 @10:48AM (#17194128) Journal

    I also know that it's possible that with the right lawyer he could get away with murder on a technicality. That would not be right, but it's not like it hasn't happened before.

    Those technicalities that everybody hates so much are what keeps our Government in line. If the police screw up and overstep a warrant or "forget" to Mirandize a suspect then that evidence should be thrown out.

    If defendants couldn't win on "technicalities" then what incentive does the Government have to follow the rules?

  • Re:Free Hans (Score:4, Insightful)

    by glwtta ( 532858 ) on Monday December 11, 2006 @10:55AM (#17194194) Homepage
    Nina's boyfriend Sean Sturgeon allegedly practices BDSM, raped Nina, engages in "death yoga", made death threats against Hans...

    And Hans is allegedly a murderer, what's your point?
  • Re:Free Hans (Score:4, Insightful)

    by Duds ( 100634 ) * <dudley @ e n t e r space.org> on Monday December 11, 2006 @10:57AM (#17194232) Homepage Journal
    Guess which one the cops arrested and which one isn't even a suspect?

    I'm going with "The one who all the evidence points to", namely Hans.
  • by TheRaven64 ( 641858 ) on Monday December 11, 2006 @11:03AM (#17194318) Journal

    Yes , people should never get emotional when perhaps someone they love has been murdered
    People should get emotional when someone they love has been murdered. Society as a whole, however, should not. History has shown us time and time again the damage to the individual that an emotional society can cause. Leave emotion for the relatives, not for the court.
  • by Anonymous Coward on Monday December 11, 2006 @11:18AM (#17194494)
    Well, in theory 'can not make up their mind' means 'reasonable doubt' which should equal not guilty. So the state should only succeed when they have an iron-clad case. Reality, of course, is rarely so simple.
  • by drgonzo59 ( 747139 ) on Monday December 11, 2006 @11:23AM (#17194578)
    No, that would presume that I am paying my tax dollars to have all these convicts sit around, eat, go to the gym and sleep all day for the rest of their lives. If Hans can develop his file system, I would still pay my tax dollars for him to sit around, eat, go to the gym, sleep BUT in addition, I would have a great _free_ journaling file system. The later choice seems quite obvious to me...

    This has nothing to do with rehabilitation. Where did you see that word in my post or are you just trolling...?

  • by Anonymous Coward on Monday December 11, 2006 @11:32AM (#17194710)
    Wow, gross generalizations about people of a specific nationality.

    Hitler, is that you?
  • by drgonzo59 ( 747139 ) on Monday December 11, 2006 @11:32AM (#17194722)
    I wasn't serious when I wrote "Who is James Kim". I just made the point that to the Slashdot geeks, Hans Reiser is more known than James Kim. The complaint was why doesn't Slashdot cover the James Kim story -- well it was already covered pretty well by the media.Slashdot isn't CNN, that is why you don't see news about Palestine and Iraq here unless they have to do with technology. Kim wasn't directly involved with creating technology, just writing on it, so somehow that doesn't interest the nerds as much. If it is not interesting for the nerds, it has no place on Slashdot.
  • by October_30th ( 531777 ) on Monday December 11, 2006 @11:37AM (#17194810) Homepage Journal
    A proper judicial process with rational, reversible sentences that do not further feed the cycle of crime and violence is more important than the feelings of the victims and their families.


    Vengeance is not justice - it's a triumph of raw emotion over rational thinking. It may be satisfying to some, but it's not something on which a safe and stable society can be built upon.

  • by Anonymous Coward on Monday December 11, 2006 @11:55AM (#17195136)
    In the UK the liberals have taken over the asylum.

    So how do you account for the fact the prsion population is at a record high, and higher as a proportion of the population than just about any country apart from the US and China? Doesn't sound very liberal to me.
  • by GigsVT ( 208848 ) on Monday December 11, 2006 @12:20PM (#17195500) Journal
    They aren't saints, but using drugs as an excuse to put "undesirable" people away is a very dangerous precedent.

    Selective enforcement of laws that makes everyone a criminal is a sure road to oppression.
  • by Kadin2048 ( 468275 ) <.ten.yxox. .ta. .nidak.todhsals.> on Monday December 11, 2006 @01:22PM (#17196466) Homepage Journal
    Eating, sleeping and going to the gym is not exactly living hell.

    That's what all the anal rape is for.

  • Re:Free Hans (Score:1, Insightful)

    by Anonymous Coward on Monday December 11, 2006 @01:43PM (#17196788)
    Just because Reiser says he does those things does not mean he does.

    And with that said, BDSM is not unhealthy, unnatural, or indicate further problems. Maybe more deviant than other sexual practices, but not abnormal.
  • by jafac ( 1449 ) on Monday December 11, 2006 @01:58PM (#17197018) Homepage
    Dude, that's not Russian Women.

    That's ALL women.
  • by LurkerXXX ( 667952 ) on Monday December 11, 2006 @02:14PM (#17197278)
    I'm sure the cops might screw up. But if this guy had drugged her several times, was into 'death yoga', yadda, yadda, yadda, don't you think she'd tell a close friend or family member about this before she told her estranged husband? If a woman I knew disappeared and I knew that about the boyfriend, I'd be all over the cops to check it out, and make sure reporters EVERYWHERE heard about it so that they'd add on the pressure to quadruple check the boyfriends alibi. Why haven't we heard about any of her family or friends telling this in the news? Instead it's only come from Hans, her estranged husband, and suspect in the case...

    I certainly haven't seen all the evidence, but from what I've heard so far, it just doesn't look good for Hans.
  • Re:Free Hans (Score:4, Insightful)

    by Vellmont ( 569020 ) on Monday December 11, 2006 @02:15PM (#17197284) Homepage

    Nina's boyfriend Sean Sturgeon allegedly practices BDSM

    Assuming that's true, exactly how does practicing BDSM mean you're a likely murder suspect?

    raped Nina, made death threats against Hans

    Both hearsay arguments made by Hans. I'd like to see some kind of evidence for this other than an ex-husbands allegations.

    engages in "death yoga"
    I didn't know what this was until I read the article, but apparently it's just slowing down your heart rate. How does that have anything to do with someone being a likely murder suspect? Oh it does have the word "death" in it, so it must somehow involve actually killing people. Are people who listen to "death metal" also potential murder suspects?

    cheated with a married woman,

    This is probbably at least likely (since the two were together before her death). But what does it have to do with him being a murder suspect?

    and stole hundreds of thousands of dollars from Hans Reiser:

    Another allegation by Reiser which we have no other real evidence for. But even if true, why is that a motive for him to murder Nina?

    Hans Reiser, on the other hand, is a linux developer.

    Ahh.. well obviously if he does anything I personally like and approve of he can't be a murder suspect.

    Guess which one the cops arrested and which one isn't even a suspect?

    Maybe the one who Nina Reiser had a temporary restraining order against him in 2004 for allegedly pushing her? A restraining order is really easy to get and isn't proof that Hans was violent. But it at least shows she was afraid of him. I don't know if Hans did it, the other guy did it, or neither. But the facts that we have point more toward Hans at the moment. Casting suspicion on someone who you have really no evidence to suspect is simply dishonest.
  • by way2trivial ( 601132 ) on Monday December 11, 2006 @02:28PM (#17197460) Homepage Journal
    imagine if it had been Dvorak from PCmag
  • by Politburo ( 640618 ) on Monday December 11, 2006 @03:12PM (#17198092)
    you never, ever, ever leave the location you ended up at. If you look at history you'll see this is a strong reality that is repeated over and over..

    But you can also look at history and find examples where staying put would have meant certain death. For instance, the surviving passengers of Uruguayan Flight 571 (known from the book and movie "Alive") only made it because two of the victims hiked out of the mountains. They had been given up for dead.
  • by StikyPad ( 445176 ) on Monday December 11, 2006 @09:02PM (#17202550) Homepage
    Well, not to question the integrity or competence of the journalist who wrote the story, but I question the integrity and competence of the journalist who wrote the story.

    This one [cbs5.com] mentions that he was sued for not paying child support. I'm guessing a significant portion of that $8k was child support, not actual alimony. I feel strongly that if you willfully create a life, you should be held responsible for it/them, and it shouldn't take a court order to make it happen.

    Although I do think alimony is complete BS. But that's what prenups are for.
  • by bzipitidoo ( 647217 ) <bzipitidoo@yahoo.com> on Tuesday December 12, 2006 @06:50PM (#17215474) Journal

    Recall the case of Chandra Levy, once an intern working for former Congressman Condit. When she vanished, many people had no problem believing she had been murdered, and thinking up motives Condit might have for doing it, with the most popular being so that she couldn't talk about the affair he had with her. Circumstantial evidence started pouring out, and things were looking very bad for Condit for a while. Condit lost the next election, but was never arrested or charged, and a year later they found Levy's remains, which enabled them to come up with scenarios that happened not to involve Condit at all. Last I recall, the most likely perpetrator is thought to be a particular thug who was in the area at the time.

    Maybe Reiser has stronger motives. Maybe the reason no body has been found is that Reiser is too smart to slip up that way. Talk about having a geek reputation come back to haunt someone! If he's so smart, wouldn't he have thought of other ways out of his difficulties? Smart enough to get away with murder (maybe) but not smart enough to think of other actions that would serve his purposes, or realize how just the suspicion of murder would trouble him for years even if it was never pinned on him? Doesn't add up. Maybe Nina went for a jog and some random criminal did it. We don't know. The state arresting Reiser without better evidence is looking like a mistake. Either they're needlessly harassing an innocent, or they're blowing their chance to put the murderer away.

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