Surveillance Is on the Rise, Straining Carriers 336
Carl Bialik from the WSJ writes "The number of telephone wiretaps from 2000 to 2004 authorized by state and federal judges increased by 44%, the Wall Street Journal reports, in part because of a rise in terrorism investigations after 9/11, and because the Patriot Act extended surveillance to Internet providers. All the surveillance activity can put a strain on carriers. 'Smaller telecom companies in particular have sought help from outsiders in order to comply with the court-ordered subpoenas, touching off a scramble among third parties to meet the demand for assistance', the WSJ reports, adding, 'Government surveillance has intensified even more heavily overseas, particularly in Europe. Some countries, such as Italy, as well as government and law-enforcement agencies, are able to remotely monitor communications traffic without having to go through the individual service providers. To make it easier for authorities to monitor traffic, some also require registering with identification before buying telephone calling cards or using cybercafes.'"
It is the balance of fears (Score:5, Insightful)
Of these factors, only the fear of terrorists (foreign and and domestic) has risen noticably in recent years. Hence the willingness of the citizens of democracies to accept their governments' attempts to prevent new attacks.
Fourth amendment (Score:2, Insightful)
Second, all humans have an INHERENT right to privacy. Even the constution alludes to that when it says the "right against unreasonable searches without warrants shall not be violated"
All of us have the responsibility of ensuring that innocent humans are not harmed by overzealous and wrong "security" measures. How is it in the nation's interest for all her citizens to have to explain to God why tyranny was carried out in the name of security?
Terrorists don't deserve due process or privacy
Authorized (Score:4, Insightful)
And how many more were not authorized?
Fear, fear, fear and more fear. (Score:5, Insightful)
The #1 theme of the Bush administration has been fear: terrorists, they say, are an existential threat so dire that any and all means used to oppose them are justified.
No.
Various nations have seen and defeated far worse threats than terrorism. Liberty is not a weakness, it is a strength. A robust and fair justice system is not a weakness, it is a strenghth. Democracy is not a weakness, it is a strength. Combined they serve as the absolute best form of not only protecting ourselves from others but protecting ourselves from ourselves.
I wholly reject the notion that the threat posed by "terrorism" is so substantial as to justify any tactic. I am not afraid, and I will not be goaded into fear by the government. I will fight, but I will fight for liberty, justice, and democracy, and will oppose all efforts to undermine them, whether from abroad or at home. I hope those of like mind throughout the civilized world will do similarly.
Re:Careful..... (Score:3, Insightful)
Re:Careful..... (Score:5, Insightful)
Actually, I don't believe they are. I don't think it's anything like as systematic; I think instead that the problem is far more fundamental --- the democratic system of government, with elections every few years, means that:
So you end up with a series of knee-jerk reactions to every minor crisis that comes along. Your intelligence services (with their blinkered view of the real world) are pressuring you to give them greater powers so that they can gather more information; your political advisors (who only care about keeping you elected) are pressuring you to do something to keep your ratings up; you can't think of anything else to do, and doing nothing is not an option.
So I don't think there is any organised conspiracy of the New World Order trying to control the world via mind-control lasers and chips in people's heads. I think what you're seeing is simply the emergent effect as entropy builds up in your political system.
Increasing the noise level (Score:4, Insightful)
With all the increase in wiretaps, all we've really done is bury the important intercepts under mountains of useless data. Like out of all the Bush wiretapping, how many warrants were actually issued? It wasn't that many, less than 20 if memory serves. Out of thousands of wasted man hours combing through wiretap intercepts. Not to mention the potentially crippling political backlash from an electorate that really doesn't like being spied on by anyone, especially their own government.
This is FEMA and Iraq all over again in intelligence gathering. It's insane, likely illegal and it's not going to work right, ever. So it's illegal AND stupid. What a combination.
Hopefully we'll get smart before spending ourselves into a hole we can never get out of, but I'm not holding my breath. This is the country where 52% of the population can't tell the difference between a real war veteran and a draft dodging, Conneticut frat boy prentending to be a religious fighter pilot from Texas.
44% increase in 4 years? (Score:4, Insightful)
Let me get this straight, wiretaps have not EVEN DOUBLED since 911, despite the war, despite so called invastions of privacy, and you want to cry more about it?
Personally, sounds like they have not done enough wiretapping, I would have expected a doubling or tripling of wiretaps.
Instead I find they are very restrained in their requests.
FYI: here is the baseline for 1999 and why they were tapping. 890 were for narcotics, and only 45 landed in the "other" catagory that was not a criminal investigation.
http://www.epic.org/privacy/wiretap/stats/2000_re
in 2004, 1308 were for narcotics, so there is the growth of 44 percent. Other grew to 64, also an approximately 44% increase.
http://www.uscourts.gov/wiretap04/Table3-04.pdf [uscourts.gov]
64 people in a population of 250 million. THAT is restraint, not taking peoples liberty.
Yes I know that does not include the so called "illegal wiretaps" by the President. I am not too worried unless the taps were not on inbound international calls from known terrorists calling people here in the US. If that is what they are, then there is no crime in doing that.
Anything else and they have to explain it.
Re:Careful..... (Score:5, Insightful)
There's a saying that goes something like "people with full bellies don't revolt."
What has to happen, in order for some kind of revolution, is that the daily grind for most people has to become such a losing proposition that they would rather march around in the streets instead of go to work that day.
Personally, I think the collapse of the dollar would be the most likely scenario that would bring about major change in the US in the next 10 years.
Re:Careful..... (Score:2, Insightful)
Re:Who is at fault? (Score:4, Insightful)
The FAULT lies with the US Government and the US citizens. Yes, certain groups in the middle east have done horrible things, and we have no/little control over what they do. OTOH, we have complete control in how we respond.
Search Me (Score:3, Insightful)
To quote a great leader (Score:2, Insightful)
Thought crimes are now. (Score:4, Insightful)
Actually we have had thoughtcrimes for a while. I'm sure others can add other examples, but the "Hate Crime" laws are specifically and solely thoughtcrime laws. For example, you might get a year for lighting someones lawn on fire. This act, even if it was designed to intimidate the homeowner because you hate them, might still only get you a year. BUT, if you light the fire in the shape of a swastika, you are likely to get 6 years. This means that you will spend 5 years in prision not because you destroyed their property, you threatened them, or even because you hate them. You will spend 5 years in prison because of your beliefs. Because of your "thoughts".
Now, don't think I am trying to defend neo-nazis or anything. I think that the person that picked a victim out of a phonebook and decided to intimidate them and destroy their property should get the same sentence. No one should sit in jail because of their beliefs. Even if I think their beliefs are vile.
Re:Careful..... (Score:5, Insightful)
The internet is really the only hope we have left of breaking this downward spiral before its TOO LATE and someone else does it for us - and mind you, they're quickly catching on to that idea. I hate sounding like a paranoid freak, but goddamnit that's exactly how this whole shebang works. If you believe in our military-approved medias, you've got a lot of catching up to do. Read as much about everything going on in the world as you can from as many different sources as you can. You still never get a complete picture, but its like getting lasek eye surgery after wearing coke bottle glasses for 10 years.
Oh and I've turned off scores on all comments and set up my preferences to make them all as near to 0 as I can get. I just realized how much valuable insight can be completely missed by skimming all the highly rated comments. Try it sometime.
scarier overseas (Score:2, Insightful)
I think this is much more interesting than the constant railing against our government's efforts to monitor terrorist and foriegn government agent communication. At least in this country there are several hands this information has to go through. Like the article says, outside of the U.S., governments have the ability to monitor communication directly.
I know that Slashdot is left-leaning and apparently never misses an opportunity to post a "see, President Bush sux0rs!!!!" story and this is just par for the course. Do you think that other liberal administrations haven't monitored communication in this country? As a matter of fact, if you think back over all administrations we've had, which administrations have done more to hurt this country rather than help or protect it? Jimmy Carter's giveaway of the Panama Canal, hostage crisis disater, energy policy disaster, coverup of the three-mile island disaster or remarks that there was no need to apologize for Viet Nam? Bill Clinton's transfer of missle technology to China, bombing an asprin factory and killing the janitor, ignoring an opportunity to capture Osama Bin Laden when he was offered, and (since everyone likes to point out lies) lieing under oath and being impeached? L.B.J./Kennedy starting the Vient Nam war or his remarks about Thurgood Marshall - "Son, when I appoint a nig**r to the court, I want everyone to know he's a nig**r."?
The fact is, President Bush will be trashed no matter what he does or doesn't do. National Protection? He's infringing on civil liberties!! Natural Disasters? He didn't move fast/more/personally or did too much. (Didn't he plant explosives and blow up the dikes himeself?)
Some minor problems with that (Score:5, Insightful)
One trouble with that, as with all utopian visions, is that implementation never follows design. As Communism inexorably devolves into dictatorial oligarchy, a select few would have privacy while the rest lived as slaves to the Eye.
Even if that weren't to happen, democratic tyranny would be unavoidable. If everyone knows what everyone else is doing, a sheeplike uniformity would be the result, with any oddballs subjected to public disgrace. "You painted your bathroom what color? Weirdo!" "Look, he's got a flashlight under the covers! He's doing something private under there! Pervert!" "You spanked your child? Abuse! Abuse!"
Some of the greatest joys in life are private. A quiet conversation with a spouse. Reading a bedtime story to a wide-eyed child. Singing off-key in the car. Posting anonymous trolls on Slashdot.
The right to privacy is not just an invention of the courts to justify abortion, though some read Roe v Wade that way. Privacy is infused in the Bill of Rights, from the right to practice religion as we see fit, the right not to have troops in our homes, the right to own weapons, and the right to be secure in our "persons, houses, papers, and effects".
Whether abused by the powerful or not, the world Brin proposes is a totalitarian hell.
Re:44% increase in 4 years? (Score:3, Insightful)
If that is what they are they would not have to be done illegally because the courts would be glad to issue warrants for them. So it is obvious that that is not what they are.
But it is nice of you to use your imagination to help out the president. I am sure he appreciates it.
I'd rather (Score:3, Insightful)
I dont know about you, but personally I would rather get used to the idea of having a 9/11 once every 2-4 of years, than give away my real freedoms, not the ones advocated by our Texan Overlord.
Hell, I will ever risk my life and I would bare with the risk of having my kid becoming the victim of a pedofile than allowing those shady people to go through all our personal data (general pornography statistics my arse, google hold on there).
Why no public outcry? (Score:3, Insightful)
The public does not care about these privacy invasions, patriot acts, wiretaps, etc, becuase they hear people whine about how our privacy is being invaded everyday, but it has yet to actually happen.
Let me clarify.
There has yet to be a single major case of someone who wasn't really evil being anything other than mildly inconvienced. If and when some average joe is taken advantage of, or criminally or financially damaged, THEN you will see people upset.
I'm not saying I agree with any of this big brother crap that the government is doing. I'm just saying that so far, they have actually used all of these technologies as they promised to do, and have not targetted anyone innappropriately. Until they do, no real effort to battle these invasions will begin.
Re:Careful..... (Score:2, Insightful)
And this is "thought police" how exactly? First of all, I didn't realize UCLA had access to devices that could read peoples thoughts. Otherwise, this would be a "freedom of speech" issue. Even then, freedom of speech does not, in any way, imply freedom from consequence.
A professor is free to say whatever he feels like during class. However, the university is free to can his ass if he often spends time during his "Landscape Architecture 120" class talking about how "Bush is a murderer" or "Clinton screwed up this country" or "why Chevys are better than Fords" simply on the fact that he is not doing what he is being paid to do - and that is teach Landscape Architecture.
The funny thing is, taping lectures used to be a normal activity. You did it as an instructional aid. Now that the premise has changed from "I want to help myself learn" to "I want to make sure I get the $1/minute of education I am paying for", suddenly it is evil? I don't buy that.
The real problem - no accountability (Score:3, Insightful)
But today's wiretapping system isn't set up that way. The way it actually works is that there's a back door into the routing system for telephony, SS7. The back door is run by private companies, mostly Verisign. Verisign calls this their NetDiscovery Service [verisign.com]. Wiretapping is done by issuing commands to switches (phone, cellular, IP) over the SS7 network.
Take a look at what Verisign describes as the subpoena processing [verisign.com] flowchart. Note that there are no blocks on that chart for the court system. There's no data transfer back to the court system. The "legal review" step is marked as "optional". There's supposed to be a subpoena to start the process, but there's no external validation that what is monitored matches the subpoena.
That's the real problem. We need to put the courts back in the loop. It's wrong for them to be out of it. Courts have an obligation to monitor compliance with their subpoenas, and to oversee law enforcement. They're being denied the tools to do it.
Fight Back (Score:4, Insightful)
No free ride! (Score:2, Insightful)
Re:Why no public outcry? (Score:3, Insightful)
It's almost like leaving the gate open and your 2 year old playing in the yard - "but it's ok, he never goes out the gate "
Famous last words.
There was a debate about cctv on /. a while back, and the question came up - who watches the watchers ?
Answer - We do !
Ever heard the expression "nip it in the bud" ? Well that means deal with potential problems as they arise, because it will be a whole lot harder when they've taken root.
Re:Why no public outcry? (Score:3, Insightful)
How is there supposed to be any oversight or public outrage if it's illegal to talk about it?
Unfortunately, your numbers are wrong, because (Score:2, Insightful)
There are actually more wiretaps-- maybe significantly more wiretaps, it's hard to know?-- happening than that lately, because as Attorney General Alberto Gonzolez tells us, getting a warrant for a wiretap is just too much of a bother.
Re:Fear, fear, fear and more fear. (Score:1, Insightful)
"The tree of liberty must be watered by the blood of patriots"
Thomas Jefferson
Our father and grandfathers were not afraid to die for freedom. Our selfish fear of any sort of harm will undo all that they died for.
Re:Misquoting Benjamin Franklin (Score:5, Insightful)
The liberty that is being given up is privacy: our expectation that the government will not send out agents to watch us without oversight. In the Constitution [usconstitution.net] it's worded thusly:
"The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized."
The temporary security to be obtained is the ability to detect more communications between criminals. The reason it's temporary is that the law-breakers are at least as creative as law enforcement agents, so as they learn how to circumvent wiretaps, the effectiveness of the enforcement will wane. Like how most high-ranking terrorists learned to stop using cell-phones when they realized it gave targeting information [swssec.com] to their enemies.
Re:Careful..... (Score:4, Insightful)
Signs of the apocalypse:
1- China floats yuan
2- Gold prices skyrocket
3- Petrodollars become petroeuros
4- Ford and GM go bankrupt/sell out
5- US real estate prices plummet in a wave of bank repos
1 is happening slowly. The Chinese are already adjusting the yuan upward slowly, hoping to avert a sudden collapse of the dollar. 2 looks like it might happen soon; simpletons invest in gold as an inflation hedge. 3 will take awhile, and more likely will happen after the dollar collapse. 4 will happen soon after the second wave of Chinese cars, as the first wave may be laughed off like Hyundai was, although they may have their ducks lined up for a successful first wave. 5 might be mitigated by massive inflation which would erase large amounts of paper debt, although job scarcity might negate that.
IANAE.
What are we to do then? (Score:1, Insightful)
Seriously. If you are talking to someone in Iran about blowing up a site in the US, I want the Government listening to that call. I want the Government protecting me against people who get pissed off over a cartoon and riot for weeks, and want to burn our flag and kill innocent people, even though the cartoon was published somewhere else. These Islamic Extremists are freaking nut jobs (they definately outnumber the homegrown terrorists)... If the Government wants to listen to them, then they have 90% of the US behind them. Read the polls.
Some people get out of hand, and yes, so doesn't the Government. We are the greatest country in the world, and I don't care if anyone thinks differently. We are, and I would fight and die for the US and my way of life if I had to. My freedom and my liberties, my way of life... You can say what you wish, but the fact is that nobody has it as good as the US.
I can only guess what they said when they suspended habeas corpus during the Civil War, or imprisoned Japanese during WWII. Whatever the case, what is the Government supposed to do to protect us? There are many arm chair quarterbacks, and many that just hate everything the President does. Clinton did wiretaps, Carter did, JFK did.
Perhaps it is just a case of "You can't please everyone"?
Re:Careful/1776 (Score:4, Insightful)
I have to disagree. An overriding theme of most militaries is dehumanization. On the battlefield, the killing of human beings is referred to by disconnected terminology like "taking out a target". A soldier, trained to carry out orders without question will not resist. Even if an order is illegal, a soldier risks jail or execution if he or she cannot prove that fact before a military kangaroo court.
Sounds like you haven't served in the U.S. military. We are, believe it or not, thinking people, not automatons. First of all, we aren't *allowed* to perform police duties on American soil under normal circumstances. But I know even if martial law were declared, many of us would simply refuse to conduct operations against Americans for the purpose that is being discussed here. Would I shoot someone who shot at me first? Sure. But I believe American commanders are smart enough to know their troops don't want to kill other Americans. You'd probably see operations conducted in more of an anti-riot style than a war style - i.e. lockdown with curfews, tear gas and other crowd control measures,
Re:Careful..... (Score:1, Insightful)
I am sorry to tell everyone this but it is your right as a citizen of the United States to see your President. Everyone forgets that. It really pisses me off when stuff like this happens. More and more. Public functions! The SOTU address is no different. They should not be allow to tell you what is and isn't allowed at functions such as this. My sister was thrown out of a George Bush rally because she had a John Kerry shirt. Their claim was that the rally was sponsored by the RNC. Well... The RNC didn't pay the police who were at the event. We are all going to be silenced and oppressed if the Republican Party gets their way. They scare us with the whole, "Terrorists have a 20 year plan!!!!!" What is really scary is that George Bush, Inc has a 8 year plan and there's only 3 years left. I predict success.
Having said that the Dems are no better than the Republicans. It's gone from being a system of government to a system of control. Pity. Looks like the United States of American ("by the people for the people") is going to be much more short lived than expected. =/
I want my freedom but everyone else wants their neighbor to be spied on because he bought some fertilizer for his flower garden.
Re:I'd rather (Score:3, Insightful)
This isn't about the people who died -- not for the people changing the laws, or ignoring them, it's not. It's about a power grab. There is always an uneasy tension between those who hold the power and those who elected the powerholders. Now that the electorate is scared, it gives the powerholders leeway to push as far as they can, and their ability to push is leveraged by new surveillance techniques.
We need a Right To Privacy Amendment.