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Search Engine Privacy Explained 158

Kesch writes "Zdnet has a posted a FAQ describing the storage of personal information done by the search engines of AOL, MSN, Yahoo, and, of course, Google. They describe what information is stored, how it is stored, what laws protect it (none), how you can attempt to protect your privacy, and what Congress is doing with regards to the issue."
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Search Engine Privacy Explained

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  • by reality-bytes ( 119275 ) on Saturday February 04, 2006 @12:30PM (#14641899) Homepage
    Yes, I know that Google, Yahoo etc are US companies.

    However, they have UK operations and these operations will fall under UK law. In the case of Google, trying to access google.com will usually force you to google.co.uk if it detects your IPs geographical origin as being in the UK.

    It would be reasonable to assume that the UK DPA would apply to information aquired by the UK operations of US companies.
  • by Ph33r th3 g(O)at ( 592622 ) on Saturday February 04, 2006 @12:30PM (#14641905)
    What do you bet that if you invoked this, Google would say "But we're not a UK company!" Of course, when it comes to appeasing the ChiComs for a shot at the billion-enslaved-Chinese market, "We have to comply with Chinese law because we do business in China."

    Google's "Don't be evil" veneer has worn off even quicker than I expected.

  • by xXBondsXx ( 895786 ) on Saturday February 04, 2006 @12:35PM (#14641921)
    Let's think about the worst case scenario here: if search engines are required by law to give up their search history on a particular person, sure it's scary but it doesn't mean much. If you're in court for murder and the evidence is circumstantial at best, will the fact that you googled for "hot sex" and "people dieing" really get you that life sentence? Obviously this applies at a lot more to child pornography and copyright cases, but for some reason I don't think it would sway the majority of criminal cases. Even if google made some kind of GoogleSearchLookUp application right next to Earth and gmail, curiosty != guilty. If a lawyer brought this up, the judge would probably get all sorts of relevance objections from the opposing side, but I can imagine the jury being swayed by such evidence. Still, I think this is just another one of our privacies that we are throwing away today. If kids are getting arrested for requesting copies of the Little Red Book (discussed previously on slashdot) in libraries, I just wonder what you would get for googling "how to kill the president". In TFA, they quote one Harvard law professor calling the subpeona power "a blank check." I think in the future, Google will be forced to hand over their huge search histories on a daily basis for the federal government, and it would just be another big brother thing. Having this information is very useful to Google (study demographics of particular topics), so deleting it is a huge blow to their power Personally, I am infuriated that the government can just request this information at will. And we ALL know that this information won't be used JUST pursue terrorists...
  • by paulthomas ( 685756 ) on Saturday February 04, 2006 @12:42PM (#14641951) Journal
    Okay, so we all thought to some degree that the guy behind GoogleWatch [google-watch.org] was a nut. I suppose right now is when he can say: I TOLD YOU SO regarding the ability to compile search histories thanks to the never-expiring cookie.

    Best,
    Paul
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    by account_deleted ( 4530225 ) on Saturday February 04, 2006 @12:48PM (#14641973)
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  • Google.nl (Score:4, Insightful)

    by Teun ( 17872 ) on Saturday February 04, 2006 @01:12PM (#14642091)
    As you mention most European countries have fairly strict laws governing the collection and keeping of personal data, including the obligation to give access and possible redress.
    Google has a Dutch portal and a Dutch sales office, both might make them responsible to follow the Laws of the Land.

    Till now especially airlines have been exposed to the authority that is supervising adherence with this law but other companies with international operations are aware.

    Teun@Tosh2:~$ whois google.nl

    Rights restricted by copyright. See
    http://www.domain-registry.nl/whois.php [domain-registry.nl]

    Domain name:
    google.nl (first domain)

    Status: active

    Registrant:
    Google Inc.
    Bayshore Parkway 2400
    94043
    MOUNTAIN VIEW CA
    United States of America

    Domicile:
    Lagedijk 7
    2064 KT SPAARNDAM
    Netherlands

    Sales Office Benelux
    WTC2, Zuidplein 36
    1077 XV Amsterdam
    The Netherlands

  • by Anonymous Coward on Saturday February 04, 2006 @01:20PM (#14642116)

    What do you bet that if you invoked this, Google would say "But we're not a UK company!"

    Like how Microsoft said "But we're not an EU company!" when they are being fined millions and forced to open up their protocols and file formats?

    The bottom line is that if you want to do business in a particular country, you need to abide by that country's laws. Google want to do business in the UK (and China), so they have to abide by the UK's (and China's) laws.

  • by FinestLittleSpace ( 719663 ) * on Saturday February 04, 2006 @01:40PM (#14642223)
    Nope, if they operate in the UK (which, obviously, they do), they are required to follow UK law. End of. Stop pointless 1337 g00gl3 bashing.
  • by mabu ( 178417 ) on Saturday February 04, 2006 @01:55PM (#14642312)
    I'm not conspiracy theorist, but it seems pretty obvious the real value of this information and what the government might do with it once you examine the playing field and the objectives of all parties involved.

    Frist and foremost, the Internet is currently unregulated. This really bothers most governments around the world, and probably the United States most of all. They want to have more control over this medium for a myriad of reasons, not the least of which is tax purposes and the ability to influence the populace. Look at what's been done with mainstream media and you can have an idea of what the powers-that-be would like to see happen to the Internet.

    However, the government cannot simply arbitrarily announce they're going to start heavily regulating the Internet. That's not going to work, so the first step will be to try to use some kind of politically-correct issue, to shoe-horn their grimy hands into the issue. This is likely to be something like child pornography, which very few will have problems with. Things like COPA are good examples of regulatory laws which were passed with a minimum of opposition due to the PC-nature of the issues they addressed, but they all have the ultimate goal of setting precedents where the government(s) can tell you what you can do with your web site.

    The demographic profiling done by companies like Google is a big part of the government's ability to make their case for additional regulation.

    Make no mistake, this is and will continue to happen. Whether or not any of us think that it's practical to try to control/regulate what happens online, the government is sure going to try. With more and more commerce moving to the online world, and less dependence upon traditional media sources, big companies are going to want to have their piece of the pie, and they rarely play fair. We should be paying very close attention to what happens from the perspective of this plan. We should expect and anticipate a few popular scenarios to present themselves which will sway public opinion into allowing more government regulation of online activity. This may have to do with terrorism, child porn, or even spam. It's going to be an interesting time in the next decade as we watch and see how select corporate and government interests try to bully their way into having control of the Internet. Search engines are treasure troves of information they can use to prove any claim they want.
  • by cyranose ( 522976 ) on Saturday February 04, 2006 @02:14PM (#14642395) Homepage
    I'm not sure where the misunderstanding comes from, but it persists.

    Google.com (US and intl servers) is still available to China UNCENSORED by Google (at least as uncensored as the US database is). Google.com is apparently censored or degraded by China or their ISPs to the point of being painfully slow, spotty, etc..

    Google.cn is the new service that uses servers INSIDE the Great Firewall, therefore isn't censored on the international pipes and is much more available to the people who need it. The tradeoff is that the servers are INSIDE China and therefore subject to Chinese law, no matter what Google chooses. Google could say no censorship and China could say, "Okay, we now own your servers."

    You can argue that Google shouldn't have created a second system for better service (in terms of access) with the caveat that some results are censored by law. But you can't say Google decided to censor China. It's not because "they do business" in China. It's because the SERVERS are in China. Chinese computer users can still get to Google.com (I hope) and have some choice in the matter.
  • by janrinok ( 846318 ) on Saturday February 04, 2006 @03:15PM (#14642678)
    Of course it does - Microsoft is a US company but when dealing in Europe it has to comply with OUR laws. Google is no different!
  • by cyranose ( 522976 ) on Saturday February 04, 2006 @03:50PM (#14642818) Homepage
    I don't think you understand the situation. Take a moment to consider:

    1. Bejing is forcing the censorship. The only way Google could steer clear of it is to avoid all service to China. Who does that benefit? The Chinese people might never even hear about such a stunt.

    2. All countries (even the US) have some level of censorship, so the test is not "selling out" vs. being true to some ideal. It's a judgement ca Or should Google stop service to all countries that don't meat your ideal?

    3. As I said, Chinese can still (I hope) reach uncensored Google.com if they need it (albeit slowly).

    4. Re-read 1984. The Ministry of Truth is not about twisting the truth, not censoring it. Good == bad, etc.. Are you alleging that Google rewords web pages to alter their meaning?

    5. This US administration is more likely to use double-speak (again, re-read 1984) than anything I've heard come out of China. "Unwarranted Spying => terrorist prevention." Death Tax. No Child Left Behind. Would you argue that Google should not operate in the US to make a point about the Bush administration?

    The one big complaint I do have about Google is that they should not log IP addresses. If people want to use their cookies for some service benefit, that's fine. But don't track my IP over time without my permission. On that, I call BS.

  • by zcat_NZ ( 267672 ) <zcat@wired.net.nz> on Saturday February 04, 2006 @04:34PM (#14642980) Homepage
    I understand Google also mentions at the bottom of the page when results have been omitted, much the same as they do for DMCA removals.

    Besides the government of china is blocking those websites, not google. As much as anything google's just removing results that the chinese won't be able to see anyhow. I'd be pretty annoyed if I look something up on Google and the first few pages of results are all 404.

    The only other alternative would be for google to stay out of china. That'd be a loss for the 99.9% of chinese who don't know or particularly care about tianimen square or falungong and just want to do regular, non-controversial searches on stuff that interests them. It'd be a loss for the 0.1% that do, and aren't being told by yahoo or msn that their results are being censored by the government.

    I've thought long and hard about the issue and I can't think of anything less evil that google could have done in this situation.

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