IEEE Proposes New Class of Patents 183
cheesedog writes "The IEEE Spectrum proposes a new type of patent that wouldn't require formal examination, would cost significantly less than traditional patents, would last only 4 years from date of first commercial product, and which wouldn't carry a presumption of validity. These 'limited patents' would be attractive to innovators in the fast-moving high-tech industry that can't wait 18-24 months for patent approval, and would help improve patent quality by populating the USPTO's prior-art database more efficiently. Additional commentary on this proposal is available."
Teh /. summary left something out (Score:5, Informative)
Incomplete summary (Score:5, Informative)
What the submitter failed to mention is that the patent claim is validated only when the patent owner attempts to sue an alleged infringer of that patent. FTFA: "Should the patent owner try to sue an alleged infringer, an examination for novelty would be the initial step in any litigation." And goes on to claim that this is better because the alleged violator will have to provide prior art to invalidate the patent.
This seems to increase the amount of time developers will have to spend in courts, attacking and defending, while reducing the burden on the patent office. Less chance of mistakes, but probably not a viable option for smaller developers without the resources to spend on litigation.
Also, the other linked article [blogspot.com] claims that "Novelty could be challenged at any point by someone submitting prior art and paying a small fee." Anyone have any idea where this information comes from?
Clearly someone doesn't know the author (Score:5, Informative)
Lee Hollaar is one of our nation's most brilliant non-legal scholars regarding intellectual property issues. Lee has been active in intellectual proprerty matters for decades, and is the author of the BNA publication "Legal Protection of Digital Information," which you can read for free online [digital-law-online.info] (complete with hyperlinks to case law!) at the AUTHOR's insistance. Although he is no doubt an IP maximalist, his is frequenty a reasoned and well-informed view.
He is the author of or worked closely with the authors of highly influential amicus briefs that led the United States Supreme Courts to decisions in landmark intellectual property law cases. He worked on the hill as a staffer, and also as an advisor to the Federal Circuit Court of Appeals. And he has served as technical expert and special master in many important IP and technology law cases, including United States v. Microsoft.
As it turns out, I do not agree with Lee on the necessity or benefits of his "petit patent" proposal, and might agree with a more critically worded and substantive revision of the poster's remarks. Unlikely many on this forum, I find Lee to be open to new ideas and revisions of his old ones when confronted with solid argument. This flexibility toward truth-seeking rather than lockstep ideology is one of the principal reasons he is such a formidable opponent at a debate on IP matters, and why his opinions, even when they are wrong, are highly influential.
But I would Never, NEVER suggest that the proposal was founded in ignorance. Professor Hollaar has enormous gravitas in the IP community, and his influence is well-deserved. Right or wrong (I often disagree and spar with him), your suggestions about his understanding are wholly unfounded.
Re:The question is ... (Score:5, Informative)
In fact, IEEE's proposal parallels the system in Australia, which allows "innovation" patents to issue without review. http://www.ipaustralia.gov.au/patents/what_innova
Australian Innovation Patents, as they are called, last a maximum of 8 years, are granted without examination within 1 to 3 months. However, before enforcement or even threatened enforcement of an innovation patent, someone (not just the owner of the patent) must request a formal examination of the patent.
These systems have their problems as well. See: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/asia-pacific/141
Nevertheless, with sad state of affairs in this country, you probably could file an application and get a piece of paper back granting you a patent this "process."
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The problem with these types of "IEEE" or "innovation" patents is that they worthless.
First, without the initial review, the patent owner is left unaware if there are serious deficiencies in his patent until he tries to enforce it. Between 2000 and 2003 roughly 300,000 patent applications were filed each year. Between 2001 and 2004 roughly only half those applications matured into granted patents. http://www.uspto.gov/go/taf/us_stat.htm [uspto.gov]. During the examination process, there are ways to cure these deficiencies. For example, the inventor may amend the claims or file another application. The system currently proposed by IEEE does not serve inventors because it cannot forewarn applicants that there is a problem. (Of course, the current system is broken, but in other ways.)
Second, even if the owner has a valid patent, he would not be able to recuperate the costs of enforcing that patent. By giving a limited monopoly for 4 years, the patent owner can only recover damages for those 4 years. Take this example: Inventor A gets invents a widget and wants to bring it immediately to market (and can), so he gets an "IEEE" patent. Company B sees A widget and decides to reverse engineer and sell the widget. If it takes Company B a year to reverse engineer and market widget, then the soonest A would realize that B is infrigning is in the 2nd year of his patent's 4 year term. However, before he can even threaten B, he must have the patent reviewed by the patent office for validity. This might take 3-6 months (I am guessing). This puts him into his 3rd year. After a finding of validity, A then has to commence suit, which generally takes more than a year. So after everything is said and done, B only has to pay royalties for 3 years and can continue manufacturing the widget because A's 4-year patent term has expired by the end of litigation. What was accomplished by suing B? A expended hundreds of thousands of dollars in litigation only to gain 3 years worth of royalties, which probably weren't that much.
On the other hand, with a standard patent, the patent owner, A, could recover damages for 20 years and/or charge Company B a royalty for the remaining term of the patent. Now, if that widget was, for example, the iPod, then A would have benefited by obtaining a standard patent.
For these reasons, no major company will pursue an "IEEE" patent even if it was allowed.
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The IEEE is not proposing anything (Score:4, Informative)
I'm the IEEE Spectrum editor of this article, and for the record the IEEE has made no such proposal. To quote the disclaimer we run with every issue: "The editorial content of IEEE Spectrum magazine does not represent official positions of the IEEE or its organizational units."
Prof Hollaar's article is funtionally equivalent to an Op-Ed -- as a respected, knowledgedable, and articulate individual, he was given space in the magazine to share a proposal we found noteworthy. We've actually run a lot of articles on the "What To Do With Patents" theme recently, as our contribution to the patent reform debate, with authors advocating ideas ranging from replacing software patents completely with copyright, to more-or-less leaving well enough alone. I think it's great
Just FYI (Score:5, Informative)
I submitted a correction to
I'm the IEEE Spectrum editor of this article, and for the record the IEEE has made no such proposal. To quote the disclaimer we run with every issue: "The editorial content of IEEE Spectrum magazine does not represent official positions of the IEEE or its organizational units."
Prof Hollaar's article is funtionally equivalent to an Op-Ed -- as a respected, knowledgedable, and articulate individual, he was given space in the magazine to share a proposal we found noteworthy. We've actually run a lot of articles on the "What To Do With Patents" theme recently, as our contribution to the patent reform debate, with authors advocating ideas ranging from replacing software patents completely with copyright, to more-or-less leaving well enough alone. I think it's great
Just FYI (Score:3, Informative)
I submitted a correction to
I'm the IEEE Spectrum editor of this article, and for the record the IEEE has made no such proposal. To quote the disclaimer we run with every issue: "The editorial content of IEEE Spectrum magazine does not represent official positions of the IEEE or its organizational units."
Prof Hollaar's article is funtionally equivalent to an Op-Ed -- as a respected, knowledgedable, and articulate individual, he was given space in the magazine to share a proposal we found noteworthy. We've actually run a lot of articles on the "What To Do With Patents" theme recently, as our contribution to the patent reform debate, with authors advocating ideas ranging from replacing software patents completely with copyright, to more-or-less leaving well enough alone. I think it's great
That someone might be you (Score:2, Informative)
You are only protected after your application is published, and only if you have not substantially altered the scope of the claims while you're before the USPTO. A published claim must have substantially the same scope as an issued claim, or there is no practical protection. This not necessarily an easy task when there is extensive prior art. If you file an application blindly (also relevant to your second point below), it is practically impossible.
Second, Patents are not expensive, paten lawyers are. You can file a patent as an individual for a few hundred dollars.
The filing fee is $395 for an individual, assuming that you qualify as a small entity. The filing fee cannot get you a patent. If you prosecute the application perfectly, meaning everything you need is in the specification (no affidavits or declarations), you argue allowable claims within two office actions (not an easy task, it is not uncommon for an examiner to be wrong, and they do not tend to "roll over" as some suggest), and you ask for no extensions of time to make your arguments, the typical patent itself will cost you an additional $1000 (issue fee and publication fee).
If you file an application without performing a patentability search and analysis, you are almost guaranteed to obtain an inferior patent (no pre-grant protection, claims that can only be interpreted literally) or no patent at all. A search costs ~$500 in a simple case. The time spent analyzing the results will at least equal that, unless your opportunity cost for your time is $0.
Patent lawyers are expensive because patent law is hard. The USPTO offers free copies of past patent bar examinations with answers here [uspto.gov]. You need to score 70% or better to pass, i.e. be minimally competent, and you need to complete the examination in 6 hours or less. Good luck.
Third, a patent is a way of saying you had it first, but there are other ways.
True. But most people seeking patents claim that they are not only seeking notoriety. Patent grants rights. Publishing your paper on the internet grants others the ability to copy you mercilessly. People who come up with truly novel and non-obvious inventions typically prefer to obtain rights.
Forth, This would be even more abused then the current system
I don't have an opinion on this, at least not yet. Many European countries have had petit patent systems for historically significant periods of time. Literature discussing the experiences in those countries would be a good place to being if you want to form an informed opinion.