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Elect NoSoftwarePatents as European Of The Year 180

Aargh writes "Every year a public Internet poll is taken to vote for, amongst others, the "European of the Year". This year, the founder of NoSoftwarePatents.com has been selected as a candidate. Taken from the NoSoftwarePatents.com site: "We now have a first-rate opportunity to make political leaders, media and citizens all over the world realize the significance of our cause. Please give us your vote, and help us gain more votes, so that the founder of the NoSoftwarePatents campaign be elected as the new 'European of the Year'." Non-europeans can also vote, so why dont we unleash the slashdot hordes?" Mr. Mueller had been exchanging e-mails recently on this subject; thanks to an introduction from Kaj Arnö. I truly do think that given his, and the organization's work that they deserve to win. Check out the celebrity endorsements as well. *grin* Also, worth reading their voting guide if you are going to vote.
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Elect NoSoftwarePatents as European Of The Year

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  • by Morosoph ( 693565 ) on Monday October 31, 2005 @09:06AM (#13914218) Homepage Journal
    Since a block vote is, well, unconvincing.

    Many of the voting recommendations have more to do with politics than patents; when it has little to do with patents, it might be worth disobeying the recommendations in order to make a real vote, rather than simply boosting an arbitary choice.

    I wish in fact that NoSoftwarePatents.com had made no recommendation when the was no patent-related issues for that candidate. Such block-voting recommendations also make it easier for people to write this kind of idiocy [techcentralstation.com].

  • by vinlud ( 230623 ) * on Monday October 31, 2005 @09:06AM (#13914220)
    As the voting form requires to vote for all categories it is not a good thing to do this if you have no clue who all these people are. Even I, as a overaddict news consuming European, have no clue what to choose for most of the categories because here in Europe news sources are mostly nation minded and therefore very fragmented.
  • Tough choice (Score:3, Insightful)

    by Killjoy_NL ( 719667 ) <slashdot AT remco DOT palli DOT nl> on Monday October 31, 2005 @09:18AM (#13914293)
    It was a tough choice between Ayaan Hirsi Ali and the no software patent guy.

    Voted for Florian though because I think that is the best choice for a more free economy.
  • Sweet irony (Score:3, Insightful)

    by laurensv ( 601085 ) on Monday October 31, 2005 @09:21AM (#13914321) Homepage
    poll in association with Microsoft.
    Imagine some bobo from MS handing over the prize to the guy from NoSoftwarePatents.
    (I know the organisation would let it come to that, but Microsoft would still be on all the promo material, press releases,...)
  • Disagree (Score:2, Insightful)

    by Da3vid ( 926771 ) on Monday October 31, 2005 @09:22AM (#13914325)
    I can't say that I agree with the idea to remove software patents. Where I can see that copyright will protect your program, what if its a novel idea in software design that you want to patent? It seems to me that copyrights protect individual works, but patents protect novel ideas and inventions. Perhaps what needs to be done is not to eliminate software patents, but re-define the borders of what is granted a patent and what isn't, and make it more difficult to obtain erroneous patents.

    -Da3vid-
  • by vinlud ( 230623 ) * on Monday October 31, 2005 @09:23AM (#13914332)

    Business Leader of the Year: Anne Lauvergeon
    We have no particular problem with any of the five candidates, nor do we have a strong preference for someone. The recommendation above was made by a random generator.


    Well, this is exactly the way not to go. Instead of giving an advice people have to judge for themselves and that regarding the patents issue the candidates are equal they take a random recommendation!

    And ofcourse voting should have been possible with categories unselected, it is really a major error on behalve of the builder.
  • by Aim Here ( 765712 ) on Monday October 31, 2005 @09:26AM (#13914353)
    Astroturfing is when you *fake* a grassroots campaign, by, say, having your paid employees pretend to be consumers, or having setting up lots of pseudonyms on a web forum in order that one person pretends to be 20 disgruntled/satisfied customers or whatever.

    In this case, we're a bunch of geeks who are being urged to vote for someone who most of us probably happen to agree with.

    Organising a campaign isn't the same as faking a campaign.
  • by pieterh ( 196118 ) on Monday October 31, 2005 @09:27AM (#13914360) Homepage
    The kind of idiocy written by those in favour of software patents has nothing to do with block votes. It has to do with money, lots and lots of money, and the surprising effect this has on "journalists". Calling the FFII "communists" is a strange attack but then you have to realise that the author is Polish, and the Polish MEPs were one of the most single-minded blocks to vote against software patents.

    Software patents are being pushed hard by a rich, powerful, and ammoral machine built from lawyers, lobbyists, and large misguided software firms that have been beguiled by the arms race.

    Voting for Florian will send a strong signal that software patents are not a popular legal innovation but are rightly seen as a threat to the free market and open capitalism.
  • Re:Disagree (Score:2, Insightful)

    by GigsVT ( 208848 ) on Monday October 31, 2005 @09:37AM (#13914421) Journal
    Software is math. You can't patent math, why can you patent software?

    Note that even without software patents, it doesn't mean it's impossible to get patents relating to a software product, it only means you cannot patent the algorithms themselves.
  • by Dekortage ( 697532 ) on Monday October 31, 2005 @09:39AM (#13914431) Homepage

    The No Software Patents site says that copyright should cover everything that patents cover, and elsewhere that patents are used as guns against small software developers. Um, and copyrights AREN'T used this way? C'mon. If patents disappeared tomorrow, the lawyers would find a way of crushing you with copyrights, and you'd have a No Software Copyrights! movement in a minute.

    The problem is not with the protection of ideas, but with the execution of that protection in the business world. Maybe 20 years is an inappropriate length for a patent in software; maybe two years would be better. Perhaps patent and copyright duration should be scaled based on the industry, or adjusted based on the commercialization/profit of the IP holder. There are other ways of dealing with this besides chucking the whole system.

  • Protect? (Score:3, Insightful)

    by Per Abrahamsen ( 1397 ) on Monday October 31, 2005 @09:40AM (#13914437) Homepage
    Patents don't "protect" novel ideas, they *prevent* ideas from being used for the benefit of society. They are evil and harmful, the only saving grace for patents is that secrecy may be even more harmful than a time limited patent.

    To defend software patents, you must find a software patent that has expired, is useful today, and is unlikely to have been invented independently during the patent period.
  • Vote for Florian (Score:4, Insightful)

    by Morosoph ( 693565 ) on Monday October 31, 2005 @09:44AM (#13914455) Homepage Journal
    Voting for Florian will send a strong signal that software patents are not a popular legal innovation but are rightly seen as a threat to the free market and open capitalism.
    I agree that voting for Florian is a good thing. But how the signal will be read depends very much upon the beholder. Some, for example, will see it as a victory for democracy over the doctorine of property right.

    The more sophisticated amoung us see the issue of software patents as one of the artificial creation of monopolies and the unneccessary restriction of freedom, but from the pure propertarian perspective, this can look a lot like the slogan "property is theft". Lawyers know how complex a concept property is, but the average person, and it seems the average politician doesn't know this, and hear opposition as simple "rationalisation".

  • Re:Disagree (Score:3, Insightful)

    by Aim Here ( 765712 ) on Monday October 31, 2005 @09:58AM (#13914537)
    "what if its a novel idea in software design that you want to patent?"

    Then you should bugger off implement it and sell a product, and stop trying to monopolise thoughts and demand that other people pay you money for work they did.

    The software industry doesn't pay many people to sit around and think up ideas for other people to implement (computer games designers are exceptions, and a special case, really).
    There is a reason for that. Ideas are cheap and easy to come by. Implementing them is a bit more difficult (though fairly cheap and easy nowdays).

    Trouble is, that at the moment, hardware, software, and skilled manpower, and the means of software distribution and production are all quite cheap and available to most people. This is making life difficult for the big players in the software industry, because in order to be an oligopolist, you and a few of your buddies need to have control over a scarce resource. In computing, at the moment, there's very little scarcity. Hence the need to bribe lawmakers for software patents, and to make software ideas scarce, so that the industry can find something to charge us for. Namely the ideas in our own heads.

    Come back and whine about software patents when there really is a global ideas shortage, not before.

  • Re:Flawed voting (Score:1, Insightful)

    by Anonymous Coward on Monday October 31, 2005 @10:10AM (#13914616)

    This is supposed to be politics. This is supposed to mean somthing! How can they err on such a simple thing as a flawed system of voting when it is the foundation of democracy?

    It's an internet/newspaper poll, followed by a black-tie dinner and an awards ceremony. I think we can forgive them.

  • by Halo1 ( 136547 ) on Monday October 31, 2005 @11:23AM (#13915137)
    The No Software Patents site says that copyright should cover everything that patents cover, and elsewhere that patents are used as guns against small software developers. Um, and copyrights AREN'T used this way?
    No. Copyright does not hold in case of independent development, while patents do hold. You cannot "amass a portfolio of copyrights" which then allows you to crush competition which wrote all code themselves. Someone else's patents on the other hand still apply even if you developed something entirely on your own.
    C'mon. If patents disappeared tomorrow, the lawyers would find a way of crushing you with copyrights, and you'd have a No Software Copyrights! movement in a minute.
    Software copyright existed before software patents. The companies behind the nosoftwarepatents.com campaign earn their money thanks to the copyright they have on their code. I don't see why they would want to abolish copyright. The people behind the nososftwarepatents.com campaign did not originally wage a "nocopyright" campaign and then just switched to patents because it's more contemporary. Please find another strawman.
    The problem is not with the protection of ideas, but with the execution of that protection in the business world.
    Can you please cite some scientific research which backs up that claim? Here's my collection of research [ffii.org] which indicates the contrary.
    Maybe 20 years is an inappropriate length for a patent in software; maybe two years would be better. Perhaps patent and copyright duration should be scaled based on the industry, or adjusted based on the commercialization/profit of the IP holder.
    The patent system inherently has a huge inherent overhead cost: filing applications, performing prior art research to avoid infringement, licensing deals, lawsuits, ... This is not about babies and bath water, but about determining whether it's all worth the trouble. It's not like the software sector needs software patents to function well, and there are an awful lot of indications software patents don't help increasing efficiency.

    Proponents of software patents have been claiming for years the whole system can be fixed by just making a few adjustments, but no one has been able to actually argue in economic terms that this is in fact true. And then there's still these pesky details such as the WTO TRIPs treaty, which requires a minimum duration of 17 years for all patents you grant.

    There are other ways of dealing with this besides chucking the whole system.
    We're not chucking anything, we're preventing the codification of the American system in Europe.

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