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USCO Reviewing DMCA Anti-Circumvention Clause 191

ahknight writes "The United States Copyright office begins its required review of the effects of the anti-circumvention portions of the Digital Millenium Copyright Act on November 2nd. This review period lasts until December 1, 2005. They will be accepting your well-thought-out opinions on the web and by mail. If you're reasonably ticked that you can't legally get around encrypted files to get at the media you've bought, start writing a coherent stance for the USCO today."
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USCO Reviewing DMCA Anti-Circumvention Clause

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  • does the DMCA... (Score:1, Interesting)

    by Anonymous Coward on Friday October 28, 2005 @08:00AM (#13895644)
    I wonder if the DMCA prohibits circumvention
    in every medium. For instance, would it be illegal
    to re-bind a book, because doing so would involve
    removing the binding which is a step required
    for photocopying?
  • Re:does the DMCA... (Score:1, Interesting)

    by hplasm ( 576983 ) on Friday October 28, 2005 @08:04AM (#13895655) Journal
    ..that which is not expressly allowed is not permitted..

    Can't remember where that comes from, but it's getting that way :

  • How about... (Score:5, Interesting)

    by mustafap ( 452510 ) on Friday October 28, 2005 @08:05AM (#13895658) Homepage
    Maybe we should do an 'Ask Slashdot'. CmdrTaco can then submit the best 500,000 :o)
  • by meringuoid ( 568297 ) on Friday October 28, 2005 @08:41AM (#13895790)
    ... and no, 'I can't watch DVDs on Linux' isn't one of them. These people probably neither know nor care what Linux is, nor are they particularly bothered that we can't watch our imported-from-Japan DVDs of Naruto, so don't bother.

    1: it kills 'fair use'. Traditionally, we've been allowed by copyright law to use small amounts of a given work for quotation, for review, for parody... However, the DMCA kills that off. Even if I'm allowed to use that small segment of the copyrighted work for my own purposes, I can't do so if it's technologically protected, even in the feeblest manner: the DMCA forbids that.

    2: it encourages monopolies. Other than by means of Hymn, or burning to CD and then re-ripping, I can't play music downloaded from Apple on anything other than an iPod. Or, conversely, if I own an iPod I can't play music downloaded from anyone other than Apple on it. This has a chilling effect on the free market.

    3: it threatens free speech itself. Even scholarly, academic discussion of cryptography has been curtailed by the DMCA, in cases where it touched on techniques that have been used to protect copyrighted works. Is it really more important to protect Hollywood's latest blockbuster than to have a free research base driving technology forward?

  • by sunya ( 101612 ) on Friday October 28, 2005 @08:51AM (#13895839) Homepage
    Yeah, that worked real well against the Sonny Bono Coyright extension [slashdot.org].

  • by plasmacutter ( 901737 ) on Friday October 28, 2005 @09:12AM (#13895922)
    This review happens by law under the DMCA every few years, this is NOT a hearing to determine if the DMCA should be repealed... another poster already pointed this out, but even if some use is made "exempt" from the dmca in these proceedings the law STILL prohibits production of the tools which would enable you to cirumvent the copy protection for said use. The issue of the DMCRA had already been settled years ago, when in a fair hearing the fair use crowd blew the **AA's out of the water and gained full support from the commerce committee (which is why, i assume, the judiciary won't let it onto the roster). The only reason it's not going anywhere is because key leaders (sensenbrenner) are thoroughly bribed, and let's not forget ms mary bono (sonny bono copyright extension anyone?) who vowed to oppose it at every opportunity.
  • Last go around (Score:3, Interesting)

    by Kr3m3Puff ( 413047 ) * <me@@@kitsonkelly...com> on Friday October 28, 2005 @09:21AM (#13895969) Homepage Journal
    My comment [copyright.gov] [PDF] from a few years ago (via the EFF [eff.org]) still appears in the top 10 pages for my name when you search on Google.

    This go around, I don't know if I am any more confident. Mine does fall under one of the valid reasons for legal circumvention of not being able to watch legit videos purchased in other regions. Even though the case was marked "Region 0" it appeaars it was encoded as "Region 2" and I live in "Region 1". The problem is the blanket exceptions. I would be fine if there was a "affermative defenses" clauses in the law that allowed you to get around it for things like making backup copies, transferring media, etc. The only one allowed is artistic or scientific pursuits because those laws appear to supercede the others.
  • Rejected before (Score:1, Interesting)

    by Anonymous Coward on Friday October 28, 2005 @09:23AM (#13895987)
    I read a Wired News article http://www.wired.com/news/politics/0,1283,69115,00 .html?tw=wn_tophead_5 [wired.com] a while back about this. It seems that the copyright office has rejected requests to circumvent copy protection technology on CD's, DVD's, and video games. I do not hold out much hope this time around.
  • how about this? (Score:3, Interesting)

    by at_slashdot ( 674436 ) on Friday October 28, 2005 @09:39AM (#13896090)
    I bought a DVD player and I could not plug it directly to my VCR because of its "antipiracy" technology, however I just wanted to get the signal through the VCR because my TV set doesn't have the right connectors.

    Yes, there are solutions: buy a new TV, get a FR modulator (by the way, is that legal under DMCA?) Anyway the point is that it's my VCR and by TV and my DVD and I sould be able to connect them however I want, but if I try to circumvent the stupid "antipiracy" I break the law -- that's stupid.
  • by operagost ( 62405 ) on Friday October 28, 2005 @09:52AM (#13896164) Homepage Journal
    Since the industry keeps claiming that you are not buying a work but merely the license, they need to start treating it as such and accept a few limitations. Perhaps we need a regulation mandating that all media covered by the DMCA be replaceable by the vendor in case of damage for only the cost of the media. Of course, since everyone is a thief the cost will have to be set as well-- probably at 10% of the original sale price or a maximum of $10, adjusted for inflation yearly. Otherwise, we'll have them claiming that the media cost for a $14.99 Olsen Twins DVD is $14.50.
  • by keraneuology ( 760918 ) on Friday October 28, 2005 @09:54AM (#13896176) Journal
    Which is why jury nullification [wikipedia.org] is such an important aspect of the modern legal system. Since power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely - ie: congress will always take it upon themselves to pass idiotic and patently unjust laws (see previous comments about US Sen McCain, R-AZ declaring that money is more important than the Constitution) and judges will always side with modern interpretations of law over the US Constitution and common sense - the ability for the jury to declare a law unenforcible is paramount to a fair and equitable society.

    A good reference is the American Jury Institute and Fully Informed Jury Association (AJI/FIJA) [fija.org]

    Some states get it right:

    In the trial of all criminal cases, the Jury shall be the Judges of Law, as well as of fact (Maryland)

    In all criminal cases whatever, the jury shall have the right to determine the law and the facts. (Indiana)

    In all criminal cases whatever, the jury shall have the right to determine the law (Oregon)

    the jury shall be judges of the law and the facts (Georgia)

    Chances of the federal government willingly accepting the concept that the lowly pee-ons of the citizenry are smart enough to spot a bad law when they see it? None to rolling of the floor laughing. And even in states where the juries have the right to judge the law the juries are often kept in the dark regarding the true nature of their position.

    Other related takes can be found here [backwoodshome.com] and here [erowid.org].

  • by a1ok ( 250188 ) on Friday October 28, 2005 @11:07AM (#13896612) Journal
    I'm not really sure that the non-violence movement was the major reason for the British to withdraw from India. Ever think that a whole lot of Commonwealth countries got their independence just after World War II, when British military might was very weak and they had enough problems at home to deal with? In fact, India became independent *later* than most of the other countries in Asia and Africa.

    I'm an Indian, and had to read all about Gandhi's non-violence movement in History class at school. I consider him to be an idealist, while his intentions may have been good he just succeeded in getting lots of people lathi-charged (hit with batons), rendering them injured and crippled in some cases. I don't recall the British planning to withdraw prior to WW II.

    Just stating my opinions, I know most people hold Gandhi personally responsible for our independence :-) Note that I do have a bias, I agree more with Subhash Chandra Bose (fight to the death against occupying armies) rather than M.K. Gandhi (let them beat you till they realize the error of their ways!).

    To keep this from being completely OT - as GP said, people don't really give up power easily. More power = more choices on what you can do. Would you willingly forfeit existing rights / abilities in hopes that you will never need them? For e.g., I don't sign up for the online statements that banks like to pester me about, because they don't promise an easy way to switch back if I want. I would like to save paper, but not when I might have to pay if I ever need a copy of my statement; just because I clicked 'Yes' to an online pdf statement :)
  • by The Sigil ( 891850 ) on Friday October 28, 2005 @12:38PM (#13897463)
    IANAL, TINLA.

    Why is it that slashbots are so uninformed about copyright law, and what it actually means and does? Either that, or you're being deliberately obtuse and playing on words.

    Copyright law itself differentiates between an idea (a truly nebulous concept that literally exists only as a construct of the mind), a copyrighted work (defined as the semi-nebulous set and ordering of words, notes, digital bytes, or what have you that are the particular expression of an idea), and a copy (defined as the physical object upon which the set and ordering of words, notes, etc. are actually set down/recorded upon). Once you understand these three things, you'll better understand copyright law.

    When you download a Linux distro off the web, to copyright law, the "copy" you downloaded is literally that little physical slice of your hard drive upon which the bytes are stored.

    Copyright law is... drum roll... basically about the right to make copies - those physical copies. Because the nature of some works (like movies and recorded music, not so much books or written music) is that they are only "understandable" when actually performed (usually with the aid of a mechanical device), it is also about the right to control *public* performance of said work.

    The problem is we use "copy" as a noun and a verb in the English language, and rarely differentiate between "first generation copy, the creation of which was authorized by the copyright holder" and "second generation copies, the creation of which was NOT authorized by the copyright holder."

    Simply put, copyright law states that the copyright holder has the (mostly) exclusive right to authorize the creation of new copies. This right is separate and distinct from the physical copy itself. When he sells, trades, throws away, or otherwise disposes of a particular copy (the physical object, remember), he relinquishes control over how that particular copy is used - EXCEPT that he does not relinquish the right to forbid people from using that particular copy to make "Second generation copies" and/or publicly performing it. This is where the Doctrine of First Sale comes from - when Disney sells you a copy of Cinderella, they relinquish the right to forbid you from using the disc as frisbee, coaster, or (big) earring, for instance.

    So yes, you own the DVD. Disney sold you a copy. But they did NOT sell you the copyright. These are two separate and distinct things. "Fair Use" might (IANAL, TINLA) allow you to rip/mix/burn copies for your own personal use. You could also argue that because copyright law defines a "computer program" as a set of instructions to be interpreted by a computer to achieve a desired effect, and your computer can interpret a DVD as a set of instructions to create the desired effect of playing a movie, you are authorized to back it up by the software backup clause of copyright (which provides you the right to make archive/backup copies of software - with no limiton the number of copies, I might add - provided that you dispose of all such archival copies when you dispose of the first-generation copy they came from).

    Where Disney *IS* off its nut is in saying that the disc is "licensed for home use only." COPYRIGHT HOLDERS DO NOT HOLD THE RIGHTS TO LICENSE SOMETHING FOR "HOME USE!" They *only* hold the rights to license something for public display... in other words, they can say, "this is not licensed for public display" because they hold those rights... but telling you it's "licensed for home use" is misleading - when you purchase a lawful copy of something, you automatically have the right to use it in your home (that is not a "public performance") regardless of whether the copyright holder wants you to or not.

    In other words, they're telling you that they're giving you a license/right to (a) something you ALREADY had the right to do and (b) something they do not have the legal right to restrict you from doing anyway. It may sound stupid, but it's a semantics game, and a nasty one at that, bec
  • Re:Coherent? (Score:4, Interesting)

    by Anonymous Coward on Friday October 28, 2005 @12:38PM (#13897468)
    You're joking, but there is a serious point here. When the British government held its "consultation" on ID cards they received far more responses by email than by post. Most of the letters they received were in favour of ID cards. Most of the emails were "form letters" against.

    So the government counted all the emails as one response, and concluded that the public were in favour of ID cards.

    They did eventually backtrack on this (but are introducing ID cards anyway). However, my point is that the USCO may ignore emailed responses if they receive a large number that are generic or spam. Don't take the piss.

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