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BSA Piracy Study Deeply Flawed 437

zbik writes "Corante reports that The Economist has blown the lid off the BSA's recent report on software piracy (covered by Slashdot), referring to their methods as 'BS'. 'They dubiously presume that each piece of software pirated equals a direct loss of revenue to software firms.' The BSA has complained that the article is offensive but does not dispute their analysis. Score one for common sense."
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BSA Piracy Study Deeply Flawed

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  • BSA PSed off (Score:5, Informative)

    by Bedouin X ( 254404 ) on Tuesday June 14, 2005 @05:23PM (#12817679) Homepage
    SIR - Your article on software piracy was extreme, misleading and irresponsible ("BSA or just BS?", May 21st). The headline was particularly offensive. The implication that an industry would purposely inflate the rate of piracy and its impact to suit its political aims is ridiculous. The problem is real and needs no exaggeration.
    Beth Scott
    Business Software Alliance
    London


    Boy these people's heads are stuck so far up their asses that they can see through their mouths... you just can't make this stuff up.
  • Referer blocked (Score:4, Informative)

    by alexhs ( 877055 ) on Tuesday June 14, 2005 @05:25PM (#12817703) Homepage Journal
    The economist is refusing connexion with Slashdot as referer. Simply copy/paste the link in a new tab.
  • by m50d ( 797211 ) on Tuesday June 14, 2005 @05:28PM (#12817753) Homepage Journal
    We know it's true, what's news is that The Economist has said so. Normal people and perhaps lawmakers are more likely to listen.
  • by Rei ( 128717 ) on Tuesday June 14, 2005 @05:37PM (#12817855) Homepage
    No, BSA is the "Boy Scouts of America" [google.com]. The fear shouldn't be of them, but the Hong Kong Scouts Association [thestandard.com.hk]; they've already created an anti-piracy merit badge.
  • Re:Claims (Score:2, Informative)

    by kfg ( 145172 ) on Tuesday June 14, 2005 @05:48PM (#12817965)
    As a recent Slashdot story highlighted market share and installed base are two different things measured in two different ways.

    The very argument that piracy causes harm is based on the idea that the increase in installed base is done at the expense of market share.

    KFG
  • Article (Score:4, Informative)

    by timothy_m_smith ( 222047 ) on Tuesday June 14, 2005 @05:55PM (#12818040)
    BSA or just BS?

    May 19th 2005
    From The Economist print edition

    Software theft is bad; so is misstating the evidence

    IT SOUNDS too bad to be true; but, then, it might not be true. Up to 35% of all PC software installed in 2004 was pirated, resulting in a staggering $33 billion loss to the industry, according to an annual study released this week by the Business Software Alliance (BSA), a trade association and lobby group.

    Such jaw-dropping figures are regularly cited in government documents and used to justify new laws and tough penalties for pirates--this month in Britain, for example, two people convicted of piracy got lengthy prison sentences, even though they had not sought to earn money. The BSA provided its data. The judge chose to describe the effects of piracy as nothing less than "catastrophic".

    Intellectual property

    But while the losses due to software copyright violations are large and serious, the crime is certainly not as costly as the BSA portrays. The association's figures rely on sample data that may not be representative, assumptions about the average amount of software on PCs and, for some countries, guesses rather than hard data. Moreover, the figures are presented in an exaggerated way by the BSA and International Data Corporation (IDC), a research firm that conducts the study. They dubiously presume that each piece of software pirated equals a direct loss of revenue to software firms.

    To derive its piracy rate, IDC estimates the average amount of software that is installed on a PC per country, using data from surveys, interviews and other studies. That figure is then reduced by the known quantity of software sold per country--a calculation in which IDC specialises. The result: a (supposed) amount of piracy per country. Multiplying that figure by the revenue from legitimate sales thus yields the retail value of the unpaid-for software. This, IDC and BSA claim, equals the amount of lost revenue.

    The problem is that the economic impact of global software piracy is far harder to calculate. Some academics have shown that some piracy actually increases software sales, by introducing products to people who would not otherwise become customers. Indeed, Bill Gates chirped in the 1990s that piracy in China was useful to Microsoft, because once the nation was hooked, the software giant would eventually figure out a way to monetise the trend. (Lately Microsoft has kept quiet on this issue.)

    The BSA's bold claims are surprising, given that last year the group was severely criticised for inflating its figures to suit its political aims. "Absurd on its face" and "patently obscene" is how Gary Shapiro, boss of the Consumer Electronics Association, another lobby group, describes the new ranking.

  • Brazil's Response (Score:5, Informative)

    by Trinition ( 114758 ) on Tuesday June 14, 2005 @06:00PM (#12818087) Homepage

    You've just gotta love Brazil's response [technologyreview.com]:

    "We're against software piracy. We believe Microsoft's rights should be respected. And the simplest way to respect their rights is for Brazilians everywhere to switch to free software."

  • I hope so.

    The Economist is great. However, they have say many things (That I agree with) that will *never* come to pass.

    For example, the Economist staff openly advocates the legalization of Cocaine in the U.S.
    Why?
    Because this would be a more *effective* policy for reducing drug use in the U.S., let alone reducing the harms of the Cocaine economy.

    Can you imagine the U.S. *ever* legalizing Cocaine?
    I think not. Look for lawmakers to continue parroting the BSA (BS) line.
  • He lies not!

    Proof. [oracle.com]

    Holy crap. Go Oracle.
  • by grumpygrodyguy ( 603716 ) on Tuesday June 14, 2005 @07:33PM (#12818944)
    Oh no wait. He supported the war in Iraq.

    So close...


    He didn't support the war, but he supported the troops after they were sent there.

    "Why do we soldiers have to dig through local landfills for pieces of scrap metal and compromised ballistic glass to uparmor our vehicles?"

    # Voted YES on $86.5 billion for military operations in Iraq & Afghanistan. (Oct 2003)
    # Voted NO on authorizing use of military force against Iraq. (Oct 2002)
    # Voted YES on allowing all necessary forces and other means in Kosovo. (May 1999)
    # Voted NO on authorizing air strikes in Kosovo. (Mar 1999)
    # Voted YES on ending the Bosnian arms embargo. (Jul 1995)
    # Condemns anti-Muslim bigotry in name of anti-terrorism. (Oct 2001)
    # Move the US Embassy to Jerusalem. (Nov 1995)
  • by poopdeville ( 841677 ) on Tuesday June 14, 2005 @07:35PM (#12818953)
    Clearly, the BSA has presented a strong argument. But the Economist's is also strong. Therefore, we would do well to download and read the BSA's 900 kB report [bsa.org] on piracy. Each and every one of us can do our part to help eliminate piracy. ;-)
  • by StikyPad ( 445176 ) on Tuesday June 14, 2005 @08:10PM (#12819179) Homepage
    And no, it was not in coca-cola.
    http://www.snopes.com/cokelore/cocaine.asp [snopes.com]


    You know, this is waaaay off topic, and it's probably immoral of me to even be laughing at you instead of donating to a charitable organization that might be able to help your condition, but on the off chance that you didn't bother to read any of the article you linked to, here's the sumamry:
    Claim: Coca-Cola used to contain cocaine.
    Status: True.

  • Re:Bullshit? (Score:1, Informative)

    by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday June 14, 2005 @09:32PM (#12819758)

    Penn & Teller: Bullshit! [sho.com]

    The last episode debunked the hysteria that was used to pass to embed government very deeply into our lives AKA the Patriot Act. It is scheduled to air again this week if anyone wants to see.

  • by Cheeze ( 12756 ) on Tuesday June 14, 2005 @10:42PM (#12820211) Homepage
    Do they threaten businesses with frivolous, expensive lawsuits to get them to comply?

    Most certainly.

    They basically threaten you, and if you don't "comply" they show up at your company and interrupt your business for a few days, causing lots of lost productivity. In the end, you get fined for stupid things like having unregistered winzip and having a few extra copies of windows that you shouldn't be running. Your cost is several days of zero productivity, a hefty fine, and maybe jailtime. Their cost is the price of a few faxes, the lawyer costs for filing, and very little time helping with the raid.

    It's more like extortion. The old "give me money or I talk" game. They don't really have to have any hard evidence of piracy to get a court order and a few federal officers to raid your business.

    The best thing to do is to just be in compliance. If you don't have the money to spend on the software, find free alternatives.
  • Re:How odd... (Score:3, Informative)

    by syukton ( 256348 ) on Wednesday June 15, 2005 @12:01AM (#12820614)
    Adobe did not lose a sale if an individual's budget is $100. In that circumstance, Adobe never would have had a sale in the first place, because their software is too expensive. Calling one man's choice of software a "lost sale" for whatever company whose software he didn't choose (or choose to pay for) is pure bullshit. The sale isn't lost unless it was guaranteed in the first place, and those sales were NEVER guaranteed.
  • by CaptainZapp ( 182233 ) * on Wednesday June 15, 2005 @03:54AM (#12821390) Homepage
    Holy crap. Go Oracle

    Not to break your enthusiasm, but when you need an industry strength database engine Sybase [sybase.com] can do better then that.

    Their flagship product is available completely free of charge [sybase.com] for the Linux platform.

    Free as in beer that is and some restrictions apply:

    • A maximum of 1 engine (CPU) configurable
    • Maximum data storage of 5GB
    • Maximum 2GB of total memory configured
    Else then that you're completely free to use it in a productive environment and for a lot of such environments the restrictions are quite adequate.

    And no, I don't work for them (since 1999), but still think it's a good product.

  • by Anonymous Coward on Thursday June 16, 2005 @08:00PM (#12837313)
    And that, I think, is the crux of the matter. I have a problem with private organizations being able to take punitive measures against companies and individuals without hard evidence, or for that matter without any real due process. In effect, this gives them the power of a private police force. So what happens when they screw up your business for a few days and find out that, gee, their disgruntled-employee "informant" was lying and the target is in full compliance with the law. Do they reimburse you for all the lost productivity? Ask your forgiveness? Buy you a chocolate sundae? What?

    What lost productivity?!? You only lose productivity if you make the (foolish) choice to talk to these bozos; and any time you waste on them is, well, your choice.

    You do have the right to ignore these guys: they want you to think they're a private police force, but they can't successfully sue you if you're innocent. They can't enter; much less audit your premises without your permission. If you do let them on your propery, you've got the right to tell them to leave at any time. If they don't leave voluntarily, you have the right to use force to make them leave, to have them arrested by the police, and to sue them in civil court for tresspass.

    They're not private police; they don't have a right to investigate anything that you don't want to show them. If they try to use the courts to harrass you with frivolous lawsuits, well, there are laws against that, too.

    So, no, you don't have any special recourse against these guys: but they don't have any special power over you, either. All they can try to do is intimidate you; you decide whether or not they succeed.
    --
    AC

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