Utah Considers Forcing ISPs to Filter Content 508
tipsymonkey writes "Cnet is running an article on how the Utah governor is considering signing a law that forces ISPs to filter content deemed harmful to minors. This would apply to large scale ISPs like AOL as well. They have until March 22 to decide whether or not to sign this into law."
Re:If this gets passed... (Score:5, Interesting)
I've always though this was backwards (Score:4, Interesting)
That way browsers could run checks on it and only display stuff that is suitable.
Re:C'mon, folks. (Score:4, Interesting)
It's _one step_ from censorship: first you force ISPs to build the infrastructure to censor content, then you force them to turn it on permanently a few years down the line.
"It's more like the V-Chip we all have to pay for in new televisions"
Which was just as stupid, and another example of backdoor censorship. Made a few bucks for electronics companies, though.
If people want a censored ISP, then they can go to an ISP which chooses to censor content. If they don't want a censored ISP they can go to an ISP that doesn't censor content. It's none of the government's god-damn business whether people choose to have someone else censor their use of the Internet or not.
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Re:If this gets passed... (Score:5, Interesting)
Re:Matter of choice by consumer (Score:3, Interesting)
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RTFA (Score:5, Interesting)
Unfortunately, implementing this requires one of two things:
1) IP-level filtering, which will block non-adult sites on the same hosting services.
2) Transparent proxying, which breaks lots of things, and is relatively easy to circumvent unless even more things are broken.
As far as I can tell, the law creates a registry which the service providers must either block or provide customers software to block. It doesn't seem to require that they clairvoyantly block proxies, which is technically infeasible. Unfortunately, the full text is not available, as the Utah legistlature's web server is returning an error on the text as amended, which is 10 times as long as the text as introduced.
While this is a stupid use of taxpayer money, I don't find the issue of a central, publicly-scrutinizable list of adult sites to be blocked voluntarily to be a bad thing. The real danger is that they will mandate that it be used in schools, libraries, etc., in which case it's truly a 1st Amendment issue. The amount of money they've allocated to build the registry ($100,000) is about enough money to run a dozen obscenity cases if you're REALLY lucky, so the list is going to be full of errors. This is bad policy regardless, but if it is used anywhere in any state-run institution, whether or not by mandate, it's censorship, and mistaken censorship at that.
Stack the courts (Score:5, Interesting)
step 1: paint the internet as evil mean and nasty. Get the brainwashed masses on your side (from both the left and the right) by demonizing the internet as a haven for pornographers and child molestors.
step 2: stack the courts
step 3: get a judgement against one of those non-pornographic child model sites you've been demonizing that equates their content with porn.
step 4: now you can define porn any way you like, the SCOTUS won't stop you because they're stacked 5-4 for the bible beaters and you have a precedent saying porn isn't about content it's about intent of the viewer. Now EVERYTHING "we don't like" can be called porn. Say bye-bye to freedom of expression on the internet, hello to the new corporate padlocks "to protect the children."
step 5: profit! (at least if you're a giant media corp)
Add to the list... (Score:2, Interesting)
Re:Political leaders are not necessarily intellige (Score:5, Interesting)
there ought to be a law... (Score:3, Interesting)
Idea: "Heathen Excess" ISP (Score:3, Interesting)
It would be interestng to compare the bandwidth statistics, even in Utah.
pr0n is a multi-billion dollar industry that doesn't exist.
Re:One possible solution (Score:4, Interesting)
Unfortunately, that's a lot of the foundation for America's mindset; even lo these several centuries later, Puritanism rears its ugly head. Not that America is alone in having such issues, but it does run completely counter to what we *supposedly* stand for.
BTW, what *did* Jefferson believe? I don't recall anything about that from my gleefully-dirt-digging high school US-history teacher (if she'd known, she would have told us!)
Re:Crazy Utah (Score:3, Interesting)
Re:One possible solution (Score:3, Interesting)
You can find Jefferson quotes on Christianity and religion here, [nobeliefs.com] and easily find countless quotes of all sorts from Google. [google.com]
History, I believe, furnishes no example of a priest-ridden people maintaining a free civil government.
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Re:Crazy Utah (Score:2, Interesting)
You want some examples of bad Utah legislation? Come 'on down to a Salt Lake bar and buy a drink. If only there was a BugMeNot for private club membership rediculousness. Oh, and when you finally get your hands on said drink, it's only 3.2 percent, so on a typical night of drinking beer, you're more likely to get fat than drunk.
A double? That's a drink sold with an extra shot glass of the alcohol involved on the side, charged extra.
It all makes so much sense, of course, when I think of all those alcoholics who run up to me on the street everyday gushing about how the lower content of Utah beer cured their alcoholism.
Re:Political leaders are not necessarily intellige (Score:3, Interesting)
XXX domain (Score:3, Interesting)
I know that there was some worry about borderline sites (breast cancer, anatomy, etc.) being forced into XXX status. It seems to me that a review board could decide on those, or, even individual ISPs or users that block XXX urls could whitelist the borderline ones. All in all it seems too small an issue to derail the whole idea.
I have heard it said that this won't stop foreign sites. This is true,but if all US porn was put under an XXX domain, that would be big step. And remember, the porn isn't being banned. People, companies and ISPs would be able to make their own choices about what sites to let in. As for who gets the new XXX domain names, I say that existing .com porn site holders should get the right of first refusal.
I like porn as much as the next guy. At the same time, I don't think it ought to be accessible at schools, libraries, work, etc. To people who cry "censorship!" at this, what would happen if you took out a Penthouse in home-room in gradeschool, or sat there at work reading a Playboy? Access to porn should be something I am able to block, allow etc. based on my own choices either on my machine or by choosing an ISP with XXX blocking policies that fit my needs.
Re:there ought to be a law... (Score:4, Interesting)
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