Lexmark's DMCA-Abuse Case Coming To An End 431
Adama writes "Lexmark is dead in the water with their hopes to use the DMCA to force their customers to buy their over-priced toner. Their request for another hearing has been denied. Ars has
an especially great write-up on this." (See this earlier story for more background on Lexmark's lock-in attempt.)
Common people: 1, Fritz Hollings: nill. (Score:5, Interesting)
Lexmark is not doing well (Score:5, Interesting)
Not sure if it relates back directly to their frivolous use of the DMCA, but it seems like they are being hit from all sides right now.
The Razor Principle all over (Score:5, Interesting)
Gameboy (Score:5, Interesting)
unfortunately.... (Score:5, Interesting)
Unfortunately it seems that this thinking is flawed. Customers these days are so used to having their rights, privacy, whatever abused that they expect to be ripped off by the Lexmarks, Microsofts etc of the world.
What happened to the old days when the customer was king and great customer service was the way to do business.
I know its silly (Score:3, Interesting)
I know its plausible to look at both lawyers and execs as bottom feeding scum, but in the entire case is there no one to say this was misguided and a bad use of the legal system ?
First Lexmark, Then HP (Score:4, Interesting)
How can I be so sure?
Next time that you visit your local electronics store, walk on over to the section selling computer printers. Find the print cartridges. You will notice that print cartridges from Canon are now about 1/3 the cost of a print cartridge from either Lexmark or HP. No. I am not in error. The Canon cartridges are now super cheap and are as low as $8.
By the end of the year, you will notice a downward motion on HP stock.
Remember when printers were really expensive? (Score:3, Interesting)
Real simple.. (Score:4, Interesting)
And for some uses, I can see why a 3'rd party ink is worse in certain printers..
I still like the 5 cartridge cheap-o-ink Epson's. The reps actually encourage by saying "We dont do Lexmarks Scheme of lockins".
Does this mean (Score:5, Interesting)
Re:Gameboy (Score:4, Interesting)
Re:now, to try and get tech favor again (Score:3, Interesting)
Most paper is grown on tree farms (Score:5, Interesting)
Lexmark is BAD (Score:2, Interesting)
So, how does this compare to car trouble codes? (Score:5, Interesting)
Just this past weekend, I had a check-engine light in my 2000 VW Golf diagnosed by a fellow VW club member via the use of a scanner made by ROSS-Tech Inc (which is also working on generic OBDII and BMW scanners) via the use of reverse engineering, similar to the way the BIOS of the original IBM PC was reverse-engineered.
As discussed in the article Wired News: Drivers Want Code to Their Cars [wired.com], automakers don't release all of the diagnostic codes to vehicles, claiming that releasing the codes "would allow independent parts manufacturers to copy components that cost millions of dollars to develop".
However, the way I read the Lexmark article is that doing exactly that is legitimate -- by purchasing the car/printer, the consumer is granted access to the proprietary software inside the item that allows it to function, and can use third-party equipment to service it and keep it in a workable condition.
Perhaps a third-party manufacturer of automotive parts needs to sue an automaker to force release of the diagnostic codes. Or, maybe even the maker of the scanner that was used to reveal why my check-engine light triggered. But even if not, I don't think VW would, say, be able to bring a case against the scanner maker under the DMCA.
(The code was "fuel mixture too lean" and turned out to have been caused by a snapped vacuum hose; fixed in five minutes at no cost by pulling another hose off a soon-to-be-junked parts car.)
Oh... and the Ars Technica guy was right: the DMCA DOES need to go away.
Side story of IP Ridiculosity (Score:5, Interesting)
There is a small company that makes a template for routers -- the woodworking kind, not the networking kind -- for cutting dovetail joints. It's basically a piece of plastic that you clamp onto a piece of wood to guide the router. If you wanted to, you could use the template to make an identical template out of another piece of plastic. To guard against this possibility the manufacturer encloses a license agreement with the template, stating that the customer is specifically not allowed to do this. It further says you are authorized to use the template for personal woodworking projects only, not for business use.
This may be a silly example (although true), but I think there's a clear and present danger that the whacked logic of the IP world could spread like a fungus into the real world, and we could indeed wake up one day to find it illegal to use a Stanley hammer on non-Stanley nails. Frightening -- unless you are Mr. Stanley or his IP lawyer.
One more reason to find out who your representatives are [house.gov] and write them a short note periodically, once is good but once a month is better, urging them to consider the adverse impacts of IP issues on the public domain.
Yes (Score:1, Interesting)
Re:unfortunately.... (Score:5, Interesting)
Re:now, to try and get tech favor again (Score:2, Interesting)
Re:The Razor Principle all over (Score:3, Interesting)
Printing Costs (Score:4, Interesting)
I did own a HP until the price for the ink was was more than the printer.
I bought a Cannon S600. From the research I could find on the cost per page it was the the best. It also has good enough quality for things I do at home.
When I went to purchase a photo printer I looked first at Cannon. The simple fact is that I could reload all the color and black cartiages on the S600 for ~$35 impressed me so much that never even wanted to consider another product.
Now I have 9 cartiages to change but at I can get all the cartiages at once for about $75 if I catch the sale on the package set for the printer.
The point is why spend more on cartiages then you do the printer? It tells me the real value they put on the printers.
Never Buying a Lexmark Again! (Score:2, Interesting)
I bought a cheapo Lexmark Z605 a few months back, which was around 50 that day, it included 2 inks (one b/w other color). The cardbridges didn't lasted, I had to buy another set, but then I saw the prices, heck! 30 for b/w and 35 for color, OMG!, that was more than the printer itself!
I buyed only a b/w cartbridge, after it was empty I went for a recharge from a provider near my house, wich will fill it for around $15, but the cardbridge was in bad state and reather tricky to refill, they suggested me to buy another printer, as it was only round $30 for the same printer model.
WTF are they thinking? do I need to trash my printer and buy a new one just to get those damm cardbridges?
Enough of it, i'm gonna buy an HP or a Cannon.
Re:now, to try and get tech favor again (Score:3, Interesting)
I'm just mentioning it because your statement sounds like Lexmark at least delivers. If there is one thing I'm annoyed about this millennium it's the X75 branch trying to cooperate with Win2000/XP. It's almost like a random generator is trying to determine which USB port is good today or if it wants to talk to the printer at all. Sometimes I'm wondering why plain old parallel ports are just as reliable as USB regarding to printers...
Re:unfortunately.... (Score:3, Interesting)
After lexmark shitted on me, through high prices and poor quality, I have now a Brother laser printer. I also got one for my mother. I wont ever buy Lexmark again. (I still don't buy gas from Shell nor drink Coke due to apartheid)
Many consumers do not forget. And as a sort of Tech leader to the people I know, they will be loosing more than 1 customer.
Re:The Razor Principle all over (Score:3, Interesting)
Yes, damn those modern creations like penicillin and indoor plumbing. If only we could live in harmony with nature like our ancestors, it would be a paradise. Aside from most of us dying by 40 from diseases or bear attacks, of course.
The more you consume, the more you damage the future of your children.
That is far from clear. Consumption has increased substantially over the last few centuries, and personally I'd much rather live in today's world than in 1805.
Re:The Razor Principle all over (Score:3, Interesting)
I don't do paper. No printer. No paper. No ink.
You want an invoice? Go this this url and click print sir. I'm not wasting an envelope and stamp just to get some ink onto paper on your desk.
I buy a 3x3 stack of notepaper every xmas and that's my years supply of paper.
I went paper-free in 94. The web is my printer.
It did take me a couple of years to get used to it, but it's worth the effot IMO and once you are used to it printing anything is just inconceivable.
I can send and recive faxes from my computer, which I do MAYBE once a year.
Go to this URL and click print, sir.
War Is Over? (Score:4, Interesting)
So does that mean that DRM schemes in general are not copyrightable? Doesn't that mean that all the standard Slashdot bugbears, like DVD/CSS, the stuff in iTunes/AAC, Macrovision, all of Microsoft and Adobe's stuff - and every closed eBook DRM, and every other copy protection that merely locks in a medium to a mandatory "interoperable" player, is not copyrightable? So they're fair game for reverse engineering and workarounds? I'm pretty happy about all that, but it seems too good to be true.
Thanks, Lexmark (Score:3, Interesting)
Re:unfortunately.... (Score:3, Interesting)