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Indymedia Server Raided by FBI 1150

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jaromil writes "Today at about 18:00 CET FBI raided the indymedia servers hosted by Rackspace both in US and England. At present, the italian indymedia and numerous other local IMC websites are obscured, while the reasons why the hard drives were taken are still unknown."
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Indymedia Server Raided by FBI

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  • by LostCluster (625375) * on Thursday October 07, 2004 @05:46PM (#10464474)
    The NYC Indymedia site [indymedia.org] is still up and has coverage of their own downtime. [indymedia.org]

    Nobody's exactly sure why or how the FBI got warrants to take Indymedia's HDs, but their speculation tends to center around the fact that the Feds were spooked by the fact that Indymedia was able to publish RNC delegate names. This unfortuantely means political motivations are going to be questioned no matter what reasoning is brought forward.

    Not much we can do at this hour but hold our breath and wait for more info to be released.
  • Hmph...well- (Score:5, Informative)

    by thewldisntenuff (778302) on Thursday October 07, 2004 @05:46PM (#10464479) Homepage
    Suspicious indeed....Possibly linked to RNC delegate identification? See this link from the Pittsburgh Post Gazette

    http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/04264/382137.stm [post-gazette.com]

    This in from Argentina Indymedia, which has a different view -

    FBI took the hard drives of IMC servers in the UK
    por Mat ((!)) Thursday October 07, 2004 at 06:10 PM
    -
    The US authorities issued a subpoena to Rackspace's office in the US ordering them to physically remove Indymedia hardware located in London. Rackspace is one of Indymedia's web hosting providers with offices in the US and London. Rackspace complied and turned over Indymedia's hard drives/servers in the UK. This affects some 20+ Indymedia sites worldwide.

    Since the subpoena was issued to Rackspace and not to Indymedia, the reasons for this action are still unknown to Indymedia.

    At the same time a second server was taken down at Rackspace which provided streaming radio to several radio stations, BLAG (linux distro), and a handful of miscellanous things.

    The last few months have seen numerous attacks on independent media by the US Federal Government. In August the Secret Service used a subpoena in an attempt to disrupt the NYC IMC before the RNC by trying to get IP logs from an ISP in the US and the Netherlands, last month the FCC shut down comunity radio stations around the US, and now the FBI is shutting down IMCs around the world.

    The list of affected local media collectives includes Ambazonia, Uruguay, Andorra, Poland, Western Massachusetts, Nice, Nantes, Lilles, Marseille (all France), Euskal Herria (Basque Country), Liege, East and West Vlaanderen, Antwerpen (all Belgium), Belgrade, Portugal, Prague, Galiza, Italy, Brazil, part of the Germany site, UK Radio, and the global Indymedia Radio site.

    Micah Anderson of the global imc-tech collective said, "We suspect it has to do with an FBI request that we take down a post on the Nantes IMC that had a photo of some undercover Swiss police. They claimed there was threats and personal information, but there was nothing of the sort. The undercover police that were photographed on the page were photographing protesters. Rackspace is a US company, but have colocation in the UK where these servers are (err, were) located. So this is about Swiss police, on a French site, on a server in England, taken away by American federal police."

    However, according to information from IMC Nantes the pictures in question were already removed a week ago.
    Link to Argentina Indymedia
    http://argentina.indymedia.org/news/2004/10/227693 .php [indymedia.org]

    and one more to NYC Indymedia, which is still up

    http://nyc.indymedia.org/ [indymedia.org]
  • by MutantEnemy (545783) on Thursday October 07, 2004 @05:50PM (#10464510) Homepage
    The Independent Media Center, also called Indymedia or the IMC, is a network of media organizations and journalists. It was started in late November, 1999, to cover the protests of the anti-globalization movement against the World Trade Organization in Seattle, Washington. By 2002, there were 89 local IMCs around the world spread between 31 countries plus the West Bank and 6 continents. The country with the most IMCs is the United States with 39, followed by Canada with 11.

    (Source: Wikipedia.org. Released under the GFDL. See article [wikipedia.org])
  • Re:And? (Score:3, Informative)

    by upside (574799) on Thursday October 07, 2004 @05:52PM (#10464526) Journal
    Independent media. Have a look at the links provided in other posts. Quote:

    We are dedicated to addressing issues that the mainstream media neglects and we do not conceal our politics behind a false objectivity. We hope to empower people to "become the media" by providing democratic access to available technologies and information.
  • Re:And? (Score:3, Informative)

    by Tony Hoyle (11698) <tmh@nodomain.org> on Thursday October 07, 2004 @05:52PM (#10464537) Homepage
    Kind of an independent news site.

    They liked to live on the edge of annoying the establishment... they were the ones that broke the story of the statue of saddam hussen falling being a put-up job for the assembled press (there were only about half a dozen people there, there rest were reporters/press).

    It's not surprising the US want to censor them... surprising they have the guts to do it so publicly though.

  • by zygut (165472) on Thursday October 07, 2004 @05:52PM (#10464540)
    Press Release

    7 October 2004

    FBI Seizes IMC Servers in the UK

    US authorities issued a federal order to Rackspace's office in the US ordering them to provide Indymedia's hardware located in London to the requesting agency. Rackspace is one of Indymedia's web hosting providers with offices in the US and London. Rackspace complied, without first notifying Indymedia, and turned over Indymedia's server in the UK. This affects some 20+ Indymedia sites worldwide.

    Since the subpoena was issued to Rackspace and not to Indymedia, the reasons for this action are still unknown to Indymedia. Talking to Indymedia volunteers, Rackspace stated that "they cannot provide Indymedia with any information regarding the order." ISPs have received gag orders in similar situations which prevent them from updating the concerns parits on what is happening.

    It is unclear to Indymedia how and why a server that is outside the US jurisdiction can be seized by US authorities.

    At the same time a second server was taken down at Rackspace which provided streaming radio to several radio stations, BLAG (linux distro), and a handful of miscellanous things.

    The last few months have seen numerous attacks on independent media by the US Federal Government. In August the Secret Service used a subpoena in an attempt to disrupt the NYC IMC before the RNC by trying to get IP logs from an ISP in the US and the Netherlands. Last month the FCC shut down community radio stations around the US. Two weeks ago the FBI requested that Indymedia takes down a post on the Nantes IMC that had a photo of some undercover Swiss police and IMC volunteers in Seattle were visited by the FBI on the same issue. On the other hand, Indymedia and other independent media organisations have been successful with their victories (thanks to the EFF), for example against Diebold and the Patroit Act. Today however, the US authorities shut down IMCs around the world.

    The list of affected local media collectives includes Ambazonia, Uruguay, Andorra, Poland, Western Massachusetts, Nice, Nantes, Lilles, Marseille (all France), Euskal Herria (Basque Country), Liege, East and West Vlaanderen, Antwerpen (all Belgium), Belgrade, Portugal, Prague, Galiza, Italy, Brazil, UK, part of the Germany site, and the global Indymedia Radio site.
  • by actiondan (445169) on Thursday October 07, 2004 @05:53PM (#10464548)

    obody's exactly sure why or how the FBI got warrants to take Indymedia's HDs, but their speculation tends to center around the fact that the Feds were spooked by the fact that Indymedia was able to publish RNC delegate names.


    Another theory is around some pictures of undercover Swiss police (photographing protesters) that were posted on an IMC site (IMC Nantes) - Indymedia got a request to remove 'identifying information' from the site (apparently the FBI got involved 'as a courtesy' to the Swiss authorities). Since there were no identifying details, Indymedia didn't do anything in response.

    It would seem strange for an American agency to get a warrant to seize information relating to Swiss undefcover police from a French website, but it's the most solid theory I've heard so far.
  • by OverlordQ (264228) * on Thursday October 07, 2004 @05:56PM (#10464566) Journal
    Well consider the following, Immeadiately following the Protest Warrior Hack [protestwarrior.com] somebody posted that list to an IndyMedia server. That list stayed up for Three Unmolested Days. Whereas any other controverial (to the Left) information was deleted in Five Minutes. 3 Days versus 5 Minutes. That doesn't look very good in my eyes as for the partiality of IMC.
  • by stratjakt (596332) on Thursday October 07, 2004 @05:56PM (#10464567) Journal
    Actually, according to nyc.indymedia.com, the request originated from the Swiss police.

    And according to another article, they recently published a bunch of photos identifying undercover swiss policemen. It starts to make sense, I have no idea what Swiss laws against exposing undercover law enforcement agents say.

    But I guess the knee-jerk "It's a Bush comsperacie!" crap is appropriate for slashdot.
  • more info (Score:4, Informative)

    by Erno_Rubaiyat (585746) on Thursday October 07, 2004 @05:57PM (#10464579)
    http://sf.indymedia.org/news/2004/10/1703846.php [indymedia.org]

    has more information, they suspect it is related to the posting of pictures of undercover police officers. Oddly enough the officers were photographing protesters.

  • Re:And? (Score:5, Informative)

    by lilmouse (310335) on Thursday October 07, 2004 @05:59PM (#10464606)
    An "independent" media site. They tend to have left-ist articles (e.g., they cover goverment corruption, torture, protests against WTO, attacks on free speech, what the FBI is doing, etc). They allow readers to post comments to articles, similar to our favorite /..

    They are not owned by large media companies, and do not give money to politicians (AFAIK - they dont' have much cash). They operate on a shoe-string budget and need more computers.

    And less legal problems.

    There's a short answer :-)

    --LWM
  • by LostCluster (625375) * on Thursday October 07, 2004 @06:00PM (#10464610)
    IndyMedia doesn't claim to be unbiased... the site admits that it leans left.
  • by Anonymous Coward on Thursday October 07, 2004 @06:00PM (#10464614)
    If you doubt the partisan nature of the F.B.I., please read
    Reagan, Hoover, and the U.C. Red Scare [sfgate.com].

    J. Edgar Hoover was a nut.

    Seditously as always,
    Kilgore Trout
  • by JUSTONEMORELATTE (584508) on Thursday October 07, 2004 @06:03PM (#10464654) Homepage
    Hmm... the archive.org page [archive.org] only goes to January of 2004.
    Better than nothing, though.
  • by refactored (260886) <{zn.oc.tenx} {ta} {tneyc}> on Thursday October 07, 2004 @06:05PM (#10464674) Homepage Journal
    ORG [archive.org] you nana, not COM.

    Cheez, you're as bad as Dick Cheney. [factcheck.com]

  • by HavokDevNull (99801) <ericNO@SPAMlinuxsystems.net> on Thursday October 07, 2004 @06:05PM (#10464677) Homepage Journal
    Quit your bitching, instead stop calling people who don't have a clue nasty names and throw them a bone.

    Who is Indymedia you ask? click the link bellow

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indymedia [wikipedia.org]

  • You are confused (Score:5, Informative)

    by www.sorehands.com (142825) on Thursday October 07, 2004 @06:06PM (#10464680) Homepage
    That was a civil case where the anti-abortion group had a site had the doctor's pictures in targets and when each doctor was killed, they crossed off the dead doctor. This was a civil suit holding them responsible for the results of their speech which encouraged the murders of the doctors. This is different from just posting the information on the delgates -- without targets, without orders to kill, etc.
  • No jurisdiction (Score:4, Informative)

    by BillsPetMonkey (654200) on Thursday October 07, 2004 @06:06PM (#10464687)
    "The US authorities issued a subpoena to Rackspace's office in the US ordering them to physically remove Indymedia hardware located in London"

    They wouldn't be obliged to take down the server in a foreign country. Believe it or not, UK soil is subject to UK law, not American law.
  • by Anonymous Coward on Thursday October 07, 2004 @06:08PM (#10464703)

    This is the final verion of the press release, the parent has an earlier version:

    Press Release

    7 October 2004

    FBI Seizes IMC Servers in the UK

    US authorities issued a federal order to Rackspace's office in the US ordering them to provide Indymedia's hardware located in London to the requesting agency. Rackspace is one of Indymedia's web hosting providers with offices in the US and London. Rackspace complied, without first notifying Indymedia, and turned over Indymedia's server in the UK. This affects some 20+ Indymedia sites worldwide.

    Since the subpoena was issued to Rackspace and not to Indymedia, the reasons for this action are still unknown to Indymedia. Talking to Indymedia volunteers, Rackspace stated that "they cannot provide Indymedia with any information regarding the order." ISPs have received gag orders in similar situations which prevent them from updating the concerned parties on what is happening.

    It is unclear to Indymedia how and why a server that is outside the US jurisdiction can be seized by US authorities.

    At the same time a second server was taken down at Rackspace which provided streaming radio to several radio stations, BLAG (linux distro), and a handful of miscellanous things.

    The last few months have seen numerous attacks on independent media by the US Federal Government. In August the Secret Service used a subpoena in an attempt to disrupt the NYC IMC before the RNC by trying to get IP logs from an ISP in the US and the Netherlands. Last month the FCC shut down community radio stations around the US. Two weeks ago the FBI requested that Indymedia takes down a post on the Nantes IMC that had a photo of some undercover Swiss police and IMC volunteers in Seattle were visited by the FBI on the same issue. On the other hand, Indymedia and other independent media organisations were successfull with their victories for example against Diebold and the Patroit Act. Today however, the US authorities shut down IMCs around the world.

    The list of affected local media collectives includes Ambazonia, Uruguay, Andorra, Poland, Western Massachusetts, Nice, Nantes, Lilles, Marseille (all France), Euskal Herria (Basque Country), Liege, East and West Vlaanderen, Antwerpen (all Belgium), Belgrade, Portugal, Prague, Galiza, Italy, Brazil, UK, part of the Germany site, and the global Indymedia Radio site.

    Original on the wiki: WwwFeaturesWorkpad [indymedia.org]

  • Re:Cou de Gras? (Score:2, Informative)

    by fieldcomm (685891) <steven.chabot @ u t o r o n t o.ca> on Thursday October 07, 2004 @06:13PM (#10464749)
    coup de gras. The 'P' is silent. "Coup" means blow, "cou" means neck.

    • '... On Aug. 18, an anonymous poster to nyc.indymedia.org published the names, addresses, phone numbers and email addresses of 1,600 delegates to the Republican National Convention in New York City along with a message for anti-RNC groups to use the information "in whatever way they see fit." ...'
      [As noted in this previous post, 10464479 [slashdot.org]]


    Kiddies this is pretty much the quickest way to get your hardware confiscated.

  • by NMerriam (15122) <NMerriam@artboy.org> on Thursday October 07, 2004 @06:15PM (#10464760) Homepage
    Expectations of privacy are vastly different for private citizens versus political candidate. Convention delegates, like it or not, are elected by their local political parties to represent them at the national conventions, and by participating in that process are ceding some rights to privacy -- the only question is how much.

    Your elected dogcatcher has a much greater right to privacy than the president, but they both have less than you or I.
  • Re:some background (Score:1, Informative)

    by Anonymous Coward on Thursday October 07, 2004 @06:23PM (#10464844)

    But there servers siezed today are not the ones that had the RNC convention delegates lists posted to them...

  • by Pii (1955) <jedi@NOSPAm.lightsaber.org> on Thursday October 07, 2004 @06:25PM (#10464868) Journal
    Well, nobody is announcing plans to kill RNC delegates, but several Republican campaign HQs have been broken into, with extensive property damage, and at last two Republican HQs have had shots fired into them from the outside.

    Most recently: http://www.washtimes.com/upi-breaking/20041005-024 050-1855r.htm [washtimes.com]

    I find it ironic that a bunch of anti-violence, anti-gun, peacemongers, like Democrats would behave this way. The anti-Bush crowd is foaming at the mouth. Have you all had your shots?

  • These were AFL-CIO protestors. Here you go [miami.com].

    http://www.wftv.com/news/3786807/detail.html [wftv.com]
  • by Timmy D Programmer (704067) on Thursday October 07, 2004 @07:14PM (#10465383) Journal
    If 20 people call the police and Say I'm a bookie, and the police get a warrant. They can ask for a warant to take my records and computers and examine them. This isn't the same as being convicted.
  • by DarthBart (640519) on Thursday October 07, 2004 @07:16PM (#10465398)
    Having worked there for 2 years and dealt with some of the stupid customers who don't need a computer (much less try to administer their own "interweb server" [sic]), it borders on "Neurotic Support" or "Gonna go Postal If They Call One more Time" Support.
  • Sealand/HavenCo (Score:3, Informative)

    by No Such Agency (136681) <abmackay@gm[ ].com ['ail' in gap]> on Thursday October 07, 2004 @07:33PM (#10465541)
    http://www.sealandgov.com/
    http://www.havenco.com /
  • by Fiery (21015) * <rsoderberg@gmail.com> on Thursday October 07, 2004 @07:45PM (#10465655) Homepage
    Check out the Infoshop [infoshop.org] story (found via Google News). Turns out Rackspace has indeed been instructed not to comment on this.
  • by www.sorehands.com (142825) on Thursday October 07, 2004 @07:47PM (#10465674) Homepage
    It was a group called American Coalition of Life Advocates (ACLA). A good description [gigalaw.com] is at Gigalaw.
  • by Zak3056 (69287) * on Thursday October 07, 2004 @07:50PM (#10465697) Journal
    Liberal activists are not exactly known for being the militant types

    Black Panthers
    Weather Underground
    Earth Liberation Front

    Nope, no radical militant liberals here.

  • by fbg111 (529550) on Thursday October 07, 2004 @07:51PM (#10465712)
    Liberal activists are not exactly known for being the militant types (just ask any Republican)

    Except for when they shoot up Republican campaign offices [usatoday.com] and burn swastikas in Republicans' yards [channel3000.com]...
  • by Rayonic (462789) on Thursday October 07, 2004 @07:58PM (#10465757) Homepage Journal
    > Liberal activists are not exactly known for being the militant types

    Sure... [news4jax.com]
  • Re:No jurisdiction (Score:4, Informative)

    by joss (1346) on Thursday October 07, 2004 @08:05PM (#10465819) Homepage
    Well, that used to be vaguely true. However, a number of laws were passed quietly which give US fairly extensive powers, including the power to extradite UK citizens for crimes commited *anywhere* [including in Britain] without even going through the UK courts. However, you wouldn't have heard about this because the opposition would much rather whine about European incursions on our "sovereignty".

    http://www.creators-not-consumers.co.uk/poluk/bl un kett_betrayal.htm
  • by ktakki (64573) on Thursday October 07, 2004 @08:43PM (#10466073) Homepage Journal
    Black Panthers
    Weather Underground
    Earth Liberation Front

    The first two of your examples haven't been heard of in over thirty years. The third (ELF) are not much more than vandals.

    And you'd probably cringe at the thought of the World Church of the Creator, the Klan, or other denizens of the radical Right held up as examples of American conservatism.


    Nope, no radical militant liberals here.

    The Panthers and Weathermen were Leftists, not liberals (in fact, they scorned liberals for participating in a system that they considered bankrupt and corrupt). Some '60s leftists held decidedly illiberal views (e.g., Maoist communism).

    k.
  • by GSloop (165220) <networkguru@NOSPaM.sloop.net> on Thursday October 07, 2004 @08:51PM (#10466121) Homepage
    BTW, here's a mirror of the site in question:
    http://www.xs4all.nl/~oracle/nuremberg/aborts.html [xs4all.nl]

    I'm this case, the threat to providers listed seems pretty clear. It's far from being a simple recitation of their personal info.

    Cheers,
    Greg
  • by Kref1 (320635) on Thursday October 07, 2004 @09:11PM (#10466232)
    Like it or not, this is the basis of the United States of America: US Constitution [loc.gov]

    The Declaration of Independence [archives.gov]
    1. When in the Course of human events, it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another, and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature's God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation.


    2. We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.--That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, --That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness. Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn, that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security.--Such has been the patient sufferance of these Colonies; and such is now the necessity which constrains them to alter their former Systems of Government. The history of the present King of Great Britain is a history of repeated injuries and usurpations, all having in direct object the establishment of an absolute Tyranny over these States. To prove this, let Facts be submitted to a candid world.

    Constitution [archives.gov]

    1. We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union,
    2. establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defense, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America.

    Preamble to the Bill of Rights [archives.gov]

    1. THE Conventions of a number of the States, having at the time of their adopting the Constitution, expressed a desire,
    2. in order to prevent misconstruction or abuse of its powers, that further declaratory and restrictive clauses should be added: And as extending the ground of public confidence in the Government, will best ensure the beneficent ends of its institution.

    Bill of Rights [archives.gov]

    1. Amendment I

    2. Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

      Amendment II
      A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.

      Amendment III
  • Re:Not true (Score:3, Informative)

    by sunbird (96442) <sunbird@riseup.CHEETAHnet minus cat> on Friday October 08, 2004 @12:48AM (#10467213)
    We do not yet have the subpoena because Rackspace is under a gag order. But, it is highly likely that the subpoena merely requested information. Rackspace could not provide the information, so it relied on a clause in its contract that pretty much allows it to do whatever it wants in response to a court order. In this case, Rackspace turned over the entire box.

    While the server in the UK is subject to UK law, if a subpoena is served on a US corporation requesting information, and that information is located in some other country, the corporation is required to provide the information. Because Rackspace could not quickly locate the information, they decided to turn over the entire server.

  • by Darth23 (720385) on Friday October 08, 2004 @01:06AM (#10467280) Journal
    Very little hierarchy, no central control, collective volunteer efforts towards a central purpose. Is there a problem?
  • by sunbird (96442) <sunbird@riseup.CHEETAHnet minus cat> on Friday October 08, 2004 @01:08AM (#10467286)
    I was visited by two FBI agents last Friday (10/1/04) because I am the registered agent for the Seattle Indymedia Center [indymedia.org]. The agents informed me that they were here on a "courtesy visit" on behalf of the Swiss government based on a series of photographs posted on a French indymedia site (http://nantes.indymedia.org) . The agents informed me that the post contained personally identifying information about the officers including their home address and phone number.

    I asked them what the US government's interest was in Swiss police and French websites. They informed me that no law had been violated but they were just requesting on behalf of the Swiss government that the identifying information be removed. I clarified that their concern was with the identifying information, and not with the photographs, because taking pictures of someone in a public forum is not objectionable. They agreed with me and said that their only concern was the identifying information.

    I asked them for the URL of the offending post. They did not know what a URL was. I asked them what the address was for the post-- "the address you would type into your internet browser." They looked confused, consulted their notes, and stated that they weren't sure, but they thought it was http://natz.indymedia.org (in fact, the correct address is nantes.indymedia.org). I informed them that it would be very difficult to track down the post considering that there are thousands of posts on indymedia sites everyday.

    I told them that the Seattle Indymedia Center has no authority regarding the Nantes Indymedia Center and that they should probably direct their request directly to the Nantes Indymedia Center. They left.

    I pulled up the Nantes site. On the front page of the site, at the very top, was a large logo of the FBI, and an article regarding how their ISP (Rackspace) had received a request from none other than the FBI to remove a certain post...

    Nothing happened for a few days, and then today the server is gone. This is what we know for a fact:

    • Rackspace received a subpoena requesting certain information.
    • Rackspace decided to turn over our entire server.
    • Rackspace has refused to provide a copy of the subpoena on advice of counsel (most likely because the subpoena contains a gag order)
    • When we inquired of Rackspace, this was their response: "Unfortunately, we have received a federal order to provide your hardware to the requesting agency. We are complying at this time. Our datacenter technicians are building you a new server which will be online as soon as possible. Your account manager will notify you once the new server is online and available. I apologize for abruptness of this. However, we are required to comply with all federal orders of this nature. Please let us know if there is anything that we can do to make this easier on you."

    Indymedia is working on a press release on this matter and is working with EFF [eff.org] to assess its legal options.

  • What. . ? (Score:3, Informative)

    by Fantastic Lad (198284) on Friday October 08, 2004 @01:39AM (#10467399)
    As opposed to the numerous sources who reword stories and worse so that readers will favor palistinian terrorists?

    fascist tendencies of the american left.

    Am I reading you correctly?

    One of the indicators of Psychopathic tendency is to blame others for what the psychopath is guilty of her/himself.

    How many Israeli houses and olive groves have the Palestinians bulldozed [bbc.co.uk]? (None.) Have Palestinan snipers been shooting teenaged girls in the head [guardian.co.uk] recently? (No.) How about destroying civilian water wells [independent.co.uk]? (No.) How many suicide bombings have the Palestinian secret service performed and blamed on Israeli rebels [aljazeera.net] in order to generate chaos and excuses to continue the war on civilians? (None.)

    Don't believe it's possible? Perhaps you need to read up on mind control. It's easy to create, 'suicide bombers' [raven1.net]. Like the US, Israel has its own secret detention centers [counterpunch.org] to supply unwilling subjects for such operations. It's obviously an effective ploy because it fools people who think, "But they would never DO that!"

    If you compare the times when 'suicide bombings' happen, it nearly always during a point when peace talks are looming, or tensions are easing. And the end results of a bombing NEVER benefits the Palestinians.

    One way or another, when four of Israel's own security service chiefs [bbc.co.uk] cry out against Sharon's megalomaniacal policies [rense.com], it means that something is wrong. It means that most people who claim that Israel is in the right, probably don't know the subject matter well enough to make such claims.


    -FL

  • by joe user jr (230757) on Friday October 08, 2004 @02:38AM (#10467626)
    Apparently you haven't read the link in Alexia's post, above [editorandpublisher.com]. It really was faked up! Here's a quote:
    A U.S. Army internal study of the war reveals, according to a report in the Los Angeles Times, that as the Iraqi regime was collapsing that day, U.S. Marines converged on Firdos Square in central Baghdad. It was a Marine colonel who decided to topple the statue, the Army report said, with the PSYOP team making it appear to be a spontaneous Iraqi action.

    First, the colonel, who was not named in the report, selected the statue as a "target of opportunity." Then the PSYOP team used loudspeakers to encourage Iraqi civilians, many of them young people, to assemble and assist.

    But Marines had already draped an American flag over the statue's face. "God bless them, but we were thinking from PSYOP school that this was just bad news," the PSYOP member wrote in the report. "We didn't want to look like an occupation force." A PSYOP sergeant quickly replaced the American flag with an Iraqi flag.

    "Ultimately," the Los Angeles Times report concluded, "a Marine recovery vehicle toppled the statue with a chain, but the effort appeared to be Iraqi-inspired because the PSYOP team had managed to pack the vehicle with cheering Iraqi children."

  • by grozzie2 (698656) on Friday October 08, 2004 @03:08AM (#10467725)
    The sooner OPEC switches to the Euro and isolation of the US world bully begins, the better IMHO

    That process started in 2000. The one country that made the switch, was promptly invaded, and now has it's entire oil ifrastructure sitting in ruins. This was a major warning shot fired at the rest of the oil producers in the region. Listen very carefully to the news, in particular about those countries still looking to make the switch, and sell thier oil for euros. There's constant mentions from the us administration calling them various labels, that all boil down to 'terrorist supporter'. These are thinly veiled threats that basically say, if you make the switch to pricing oil in euro's like Iraq did, you will be next.

  • by Anonymous Coward on Friday October 08, 2004 @06:53AM (#10468353)
    Wrongo!!!
    George Bush is only loved by 30% of the people not 50%. Somewhere around 40% of the population does not vote. So half of the remaining 60% are the 30% of US citizens that are republican, and most of them love G. Bush.

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