Telecom Outages Now a State Secret 413
Saeed al-Sahaf writes "In the past, before negotiating important or large telecommunications contracts, you could check out the detailed network outage reports that large telecommunications carriers file with the FCC. By knowing where carriers had experienced problems, buyers can negotiate better service contracts and know where to plan on redundant services. As recently as last summer, the FCC championed the marketplace benefits of making outage data available to the public. But after more than a decade of making such carrier outage reports available to the public, the FCC in August ruled that the information will be kept secret, lest it fall into the hands of terrorists."
See also... (Score:5, Informative)
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Happening in More Dangerous Industries Too (Score:3, Interesting)
But Terrorists-Under-The-Bed have been used as an excuse for blocking public access to lots of critical safety information, particularly in industries like oil refining, chemical manufacturing, and anyth
In Other News... (Score:5, Funny)
Hello, information? I'd like the numbers for G. David Shine and Roy Cohn.
Important distinction (Score:5, Informative)
The fcc did not go so far as to prohibit all network vulnerability data from reaching the public--only that the information won't reach the public via the FCC.
Telco's are still free to provide the information and apparently they have competitive reasons to do so:
Lawyers who negotiate contracts for large enterprises agreed carriers that face meaningful competition will not be inclined to stop providing relevant data, including the cause of outages, to enterprises. Some said that even where competition is not robust, carriers have an interest in being candid with their largest customers.
I suggest we end the charade (Score:2, Insightful)
Re:I suggest we end the charade (Score:3, Insightful)
Re:Important distinction (Score:4, Insightful)
Re:Important distinction (Score:3, Funny)
Re:In Other News... (Score:2, Informative)
Re:In Other News... (Score:3, Insightful)
bulldust (Score:3, Insightful)
Re:bulldust (Score:5, Funny)
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"Terrorists could find out what has caused outages in the past, use that to find a weakness in the telecommunications network, and then cause a communication outage that coincides with a 9/11-type attack, thereby aggravating the effects of the attack." An admittedly weak argument, but I bet that's the case.
Re:bulldust (Score:3, Funny)
Re:bulldust (Score:3, Insightful)
It's not an entirely stupid thing to what the terrorists not to know. On the other hand, the terrorists are likely to be able to get the information if it's at all important to them. The government knows essentially nothing about Al Queda's operations in
Re:bulldust (Score:5, Insightful)
Balderdash (Score:5, Insightful)
This is all about the Bush admin. using terrorism as their excuse for all policy. Can't say it's because Bush got $4.7 million [opensecrets.org] from the Communic/Electronics industries. In the last month I've seen that we can't import drugs from Canada because they might be spiked by terrorists. Bush is promising to privatize Social Security again, he couldn't get it done 1st term because he was too busy fighting terrorists. All policy is now terrorist related.
Repercussions on Verizon commercials. (Score:5, Funny)
You can joke (Score:2, Insightful)
Sure you can joke about this, but I remember when this story first came to Slashdot [slashdot.org] and the comments ranged from angry people calling this move nothing but exploitation of the terror card [slashdot.org], to Score: 5 OT posts about 9/11 with possible evidence that planes were shot down by the USAF [slashdot.org].
My take is that these kinds of laws only prove that the USA is rapidly becoming fascist [wikipedia.org].
Sure (Score:4, Informative)
Could you please explain, in terms of the definition of fascism given by Wikipedia, why "the USA is rapidly becoming fascist"?
Sure I'll comment. If you point your browser to the Fascist mottos [wikipedia.org] listed on Wikipedia, you will se a few interesting statements that seem to fit current US government attitudes.
Tutto nello Stato, niente al di fuori dello Stato, nulla contro lo Stato, "Everything in the State, nothing outside the State, nothing against the State."
The US has pretty much had a divorce with the UN after invading Iraq. The intelligence leading to the Iraq invasion was unfounded and proven false. There were no WMDs; they lied to commit their military and hundreds of billions of dollars to fight a war over oil interests and to settle an old score. The recent Homeland Security measures, including the topic of making cell phone blackouts secret, is also is a throwback to this motto.
The Patriot Act appears to be in the spirit of the above motto, from start to finish.
Me ne frego, "I don't care," the Italian Fascist motto.
I think it's pretty heartless to attack a country for oil, don't you? It's pretty tactical and devoid of humanity to kill for resources, to kill for revenge.
Libro e moschetto - fascista perfetto, "Book and musket - perfect Fascist."
You could look [wikipedia.org] at the Christian doctrines of most Americans and see tones from the above motto in many news items regarding gun toting Christians [wikipedia.org]. Many American Christians are not over the top like Koresh was, but if you look at the attitudes after 9/11 on talk shows and news broadcasts, there was quite a bit of patriotism against muslim states such as Iraq and Iran.
Viva la Morte, "Long live death (sacrifice)."
I'm sure Bush has said something similar to this in every single one of his speeches.
The fact of the matter is, that when a state increases the power of its government over the freedom of its people, that state is moving toward the fascist model. When the state is more important than the liberties of the people, the state is no longer operating in the realm of the common good. When a president can usurp sovereignty by stealing an election [wikipedia.org], then there is cause to wonder if Democracy is alive anymore in the States. Maybe it's not fascism. Maybe it's not democracy. Maybe it's not feudalism. Maybe it's not communism. Maybe it's not tyranny. Maybe it's just corporatism, and the latest abomination.
I think you're on shaky ground (Score:3, Insightful)
Re:Sure (Score:3, Insightful)
In my opinion the US should completely pull out of the UN all together anyway.
The intelligence leading to the Iraq invasion was unfounded and proven false
First of all, you are completely wrong here, but lets look at what if the intellegence was wrong. Even if the intelligence was wrong, if Bush did nothing, then his accusers would be screaming for his head because he didn't do anything.
There were no WMDs; they lied to commit their
RIP USA (Score:4, Insightful)
Re:RIP USA (Score:5, Insightful)
To affirm that Hitler came to power as a result of a "political deal" seems to me the mother of all simplifications. Sure, there were many political deals as part of a process that included much more. The total failure of the Weimar republic, the lack of any credible alternative, also have to be taken into account. And at least two other facts must also be taken into account. First, Hitler was elected legally. Second, the imposition of a dictatorship was in the Nazi party program from the start.
The German people willingly and knowingly chose Hitler as their dictator. It seemed to be the right thing at the time.
Although I do not approve of the Bush government, by any means, I believe that putting him in the same cathegory as Hitler is a wild exaggeration. A common internet debating tactic, compare someone to Hitler. I admit to having used that same tactic, I don't miss a chance to post "Hitler was a vegetarian" comments.
But that's a counterproductive tactic. Despite this being Slashdot, the best policy would be to mention in clear and well-balanced arguments why Bush is so dangerous. He's no Hitler himself, but he may well be tending the garden where the seeds of a future Hitler will be planted. The number of anti-liberty laws that are being implemented now in the USA is what really worries me. All in the name of what would be otherwise perfectly acceptable principles.
We must fight terrorism. Protect the artists. We must defend life. At all costs.
Hey, wait a second, at "all" costs? Even if the result is giving up basic personal freedom, stifling creativity in arts and science, squashing research and development, and exporting inellectual jobs to other countries?
Re:RIP USA (Score:3, Insightful)
Right. If the threat of terror, or more accurately the reaction to the threat of terror, does more damage than the terror itself, then the terrorists have won.
Re:RIP USA (Score:3, Informative)
Godwin's Law (also Godwin's Rule of Nazi Analogies) is an adage in Internet culture that was originated by Mike Godwin in 1990. The law states that:
As an online discussion grows longer, the probability of a comparison involving Nazis or Hitler approaches one.
Hands of the terrorists? (Score:5, Insightful)
Re:Hands of the terrorists? (Score:5, Insightful)
Conversely, if the public doesn't know, then it wasn't a very successful attack on the telecom infrastructure, was it? :)
Hmph. (Score:2, Insightful)
A pox, I say. I've written my Senators and Representative in the past about
Lets see (Score:5, Insightful)
Helps business. check
Hurts people. check
Has terrorist excuse. check
It must be from the Republican administration.
Re:Lets see (Score:3, Interesting)
Hurts business. Check.
Hurts people. Check.
Has terrorist excuse. Check.
Must be from the Democrat administration (SEE ALSO - Bosnia, Iraq, WTC I, etc.)
Re:Lets see (Score:5, Insightful)
Hurts business. Check.
Hurts people. Check.
Has terrorist excuse. Check.
Must be the US of A
(Sadly, my own country's record)
While we're at it. (Score:5, Funny)
Hurts discourse. Check.
Has terrorist excuse. Check.
Must be another
Re:Lets see (Score:5, Insightful)
Yes, that is a hallmark of a republican administration, though - to act as if past business success gives you an entitlement to future business success indefinitely, and if your business model starts to fail because the world is a changing place, then pass laws to make the world change more slowly.
One day a federal employee will read Poe (Score:3, Interesting)
Frightening (Score:5, Insightful)
Re:Frightening (Score:5, Insightful)
Yeah, we are so much wiser now, we would never fall for that old, 'red scare' paranoia that was rampant in the 1950s. What silly, foolish people our grandparents were to fall for such an obvious paranoid delusion. The real sad thing is, unlike the 1950's, there is no single vocal Joe McCarthy type to debunk. If compairing the current political situation to the 'Red Scare' is accurate, we will have to put up with this for a good ten years.
Re:Frightening (Score:3, Interesting)
This is not to excuse McCarthy's tactics. If you accuse enough people (and McCarthy certainly accused a lot of people) you're bound to get a few of them right.
Re:Frightening (Score:3, Interesting)
Re:Frightening (Score:5, Insightful)
do you even have any idea what you are talking about? clearly not I think you'll find the horrific death toll of the Holocaust to be between 5-6 million Jews [yadvashem.org.il] and a similar number of non-Jewish victims, (the gypsies and the homosexuals for example) a quite horrific enough figure without being misrepresented as 10s of millions.
The number of victims of Stalin's death camps and mass executions is certainly in the 10's of millions however.
Now who do you think the German and Russian People were to allow such terrible actions to be done in their name? They were people like you and me who had their freedoms and rights taken from them slowly and under the guise of Just Cause and Security. They were given monsters to be scared of, and more importantly to blame, and they lost control of their country to very evil dictators.
There is an old adage about the best way to boil a frog is to turn the heat up slowly, so it doesn't notice. From what I can see America is having the gas turned up notch by notch.
As for the very trivial banning of phone outage records, it is not that they are being withheld... it is that the reason given is "Homeland Security".
Re:Frightening (Score:5, Insightful)
Fascism tends to need scapegoats for its failures, but those don't have to be chosen along racial lines. Americans who are "soft on terror" would make a lovely scapegoat. The way the word 'Liberal' is used in some circles is well along towards scapegoat status. There don't have to be mass exterminations at all, unless the fascist government screws up the economy enough that slave labor starts looking really effective. A few lynchings here and there are often enough to keep the powers that be in power.
Let's not wait for mass exterminations this time. Protecting some big, long established businesses that have close ties to government from public scrutiny is an early sign, not just in regimes such as Nazi Germany, where the end result was genocide, but in Fascist Italy, and Imperial Japan, which had plenty of their own share of evil without necessarily being big on killing jews.
I am completely at a loss for words . . . (Score:4, Insightful)
Just Another Way That Bush Screws the Consumer (Score:5, Insightful)
Re:Just Another Way That Bush Screws the Consumer (Score:3)
I'm always amazed at the creativity that the Bush administration shows.
What's most amazing to me is how Bush went from a mere puppet of the VP to an evil mastermind in only 9 months. It just goes to show that the evil Republicans keep all the best schools for themselves.
Re:Just Another Way That Bush Screws the Consumer (Score:4, Funny)
We are writing you to apologize about your cat. Sadly it was involved in a terrorist plot the we are currently not at liberty to discuss and for reasons of national security we were forced to drive over it repeatedly in black unmarked, sedans. We thank you for your cooperation in this matter and hope this does not affect your vote.
Sincerly,
Dick Cheney
Arguement for this? (Score:3, Insightful)
That seemed like bullshit to me, and I really thought that something like this wouldn't pass. Really, what use could terrorists make of such outages, except for perhaps a very tentative prediction?
Even with the terrorist excuse, records released after-the-fact would still indicate which carriers suck repeatedly to the public, while negating the "exposive-of-jamming" arguement.
So, anyone know what the official excuse is for this?
Knowledge is power... (Score:5, Insightful)
Re:Knowledge is power... (Score:5, Insightful)
"Any conservative who claims to be in favor of capitalism -- the
unrestricted exchange of goods and services between consenting
persons -- but is in favor of the drug war, is a hypocrite."
I don't know the author, but I approve of the sentiment.
Just because... (Score:5, Insightful)
Apparently so...
Re:Just because... (Score:2)
Well, no, not the whole world, just the USA and its allies who also feel terribly guilty and scared that someone that they pissed off will lash out at them.
Most of the world doesn't go around pissing off Moslems; when I was at school (in the UK) I learned never *ever* to piss a Moslem off when it came to matters of religion (which includes things like calling them 'son of a bitch' by the way (it implies that their mother is a dog and since dogs gave the Prophet awa
Re:Just because... (Score:2)
Does that include misspelling the name of their religion?
Re:Just because... (Score:4, Insightful)
The day a major popular television show is made in the middle east that can make jokes about Islam that are as raunchy and irreverent as the kinds of things you see about Christianity on the Simpsons or Family Guy over here, without fear, then maybe I'll have more empathy for them.
As an atheist, I've often wished that people around the world would just give up religious styles of thought (which exist in things other than just religions - the way some people approach politics have the same sorts of problems), but I don't think that's ever going to happen. Now I'd just be happy if people would be more tolerant of opposing viewpoints. The splintering of Christianity into many different little factions really helped transform it into mostly being the religion of peace and tolerance it claims to be (when it really wasn't before that, with major church doctrine being tied to political machinations). My only hope for Islam is that it ends up having the same sort of thing happen to it soon. The biggest concern I have over it is that it is a religious tenet in Islam that religion must rule over government - so it would be hard to have a secular government in an islamic country like the many secular democratic governments that exist in christian countries. Turkey has managed to pull it off, but I can't think of any other good examples. (Pakistan would have been but it's still operating from the results of a military coup).
Re:Just because... (Score:5, Insightful)
I think it's more along the lines of the U.S. government and corporations using the constantly news-media-fanned flames of mass hysteria to push their own agendas, which normally would be met with much resistance by the people (who, reasonably, don't want to give up their freedoms without sufficient cause). I don't know which is the worst:
- The government and corporations taking advantage of the sheeple's ignorance and mass hysteria,
- The media stoking the hysteria to keep people watching the news instead of pro wrestling and reality shows, or
- The fact that people really are stupid enough to buy into all these scare tactics used by the government, corporations, and the news media to take advantage of us.
I've heard multiple people recently talk about how they're afraid to fly or work in the air transportation industry because of "all the terrorists in airports and on airplanes these days."
American Paranoia (Tm) (Score:2, Insightful)
Re:American Paranoia (Tm) (Score:2)
And How? (Score:2, Insightful)
Free Market? (Score:5, Insightful)
As usual, government intervention will bring about the opposite of what they intend to do. Prescious few things are more efficient than the free market.
Remember that it wasn't that long ago that government supported the idea that a Monopoly in the telco industry kept prices down. Anybody remember exhoribitant long distance prices in the era of the government mandated telco monopoly?
If the government wants to improve redundancy, they should seek to make this information more public and more easily accessible and I guarantee you that buyers will exert the necessary pressures to keep the telcos running.
Newton's law of politics? (Score:2, Insightful)
Newton's Law of Politics: Every force from a political body will have an equal but opposite result from that intended
yeah - I like that
Re:Free Market? (Score:3, Informative)
Anybody remember exhoribitant long distance prices in the era of the government mandated telco monopoly?
I was too young to be the one paying the phone bills. But I *do* remember my parents complaining about having to lease the phone from Ma Bell and not being allowed to hook up a third-party telephone to the network. Thus the prices of physical phones was excessive, and the technology was stagnant.
Given the track record of most telecomms... (Score:2)
Why is it so much of this happens under the Bush watch? It happens under all presidents, but so much more so under this watch.
InnerWeb
Under every rock (Score:5, Interesting)
Recently on Now with Bill Moyers (PBS, Friday nights, great show) there was a story about a major natural gas pipeline that would be passing near towns and populated areas. Problem is that no one could find out exactly what the route would be because of terrorism concerns. So it could pass under a school and no one would be allowed to know that. It was a great deal for the company building the pipeline because they didn't have to fight any protests over it running too close to someone's house.
So much FUD.
Re:Under every rock (Score:3, Insightful)
Slideshow here, picture 8 has the fireball:
http://www.rtl.nl/(/actueel/rtlnieuws/)/component s
First investigations revealed that the gas pipeline had been damaged by construction work for a service road to a new industrial building; the investigation and the leg
Re:Under every rock (Score:3, Interesting)
OR, what if the school gets built a year or two after the pipeline goes in. Who is going to tell the school district that they'd better not build their school in that location? How are they going to explain why they shouldn't build there?
Practically speaking, you
Re:Under every rock (Score:3, Funny)
Number 1 is clearly the most dangerous threat here, terrorists have overran the US ( and the rest of the world ) and are carrying out numerous acts of terrorism on a daily basis. That's why there is this war against them.
Insane... (Score:5, Interesting)
Looks like the terrorists already know (Score:5, Interesting)
Seems like a good plot to me- kind of like crashing a truck into the compound in Salem, OR on the corner of Hawthorne and State St. would be the obvious first move of a terror attack in Oregon- by taking out the emergency communications center you'll hinder any response to anything else you do.
Terrorists? (Score:5, Interesting)
Re:Terrorists? (Score:5, Funny)
STO (Score:3, Insightful)
I am not well-familiar with the entire American "infrastucture" (water tunnels, electrical grid etc.), but from what I do know about it, it would be easy for a group of say four people who knew what they were doing to cause major disruptions. I mean, even when you have people working to keep things up, we still have had major blackouts on the West Coast and East Coast in the past few years.
On territory I'm more familiar with, telecommunications, there are chokepoints in the system. Fiber cuts at several specific points in a large city would take down a large percentage of the network. As far as the x.25 networks, or Internet, there are many such chokepoints as well. For the Internet, from the root name servers to core routers and their routing tables, there are chokepoints which are not difficult to DOS, never mind take over.
These things are very "vulnerable" as the corporate media nomenclature calls it. But vulnerable from whom? Saudi nationalists like Osama Bin Laden who (after the US helped Pakistan train him to drive the USSR out of Afghanistan) wanted the US military to leave Saudi Arabia? Perhaps disgruntled workers like those in Los Angeles in 1992 who had a short lived uprising until the army marched in? I myself sleep better knowing how "vulnerable" these things are, when anti-imperialists and workers go to the trouble to muck with these things, it's usually for a good reason.
Re:STO (Score:2)
Mass mayhem and looting != uprising.
Security: the new big excuse (Score:2)
What next: "No sir we didn't mess up your pizza order. We put those extra anchovies on and sent it to the wrong house and overcharg
Re:Security: the new big excuse (Score:4, Insightful)
Kinda like sending "suspected terrorists" to other countries for the dirty work of torture.
Vulnerability detected in the wrong place (Score:5, Insightful)
YAIOSTO (Score:2)
Yet Another Implementation Of Security Through Obscurity
denialogy (Score:3, Insightful)
trom
Harry Tuttle [imdb.com]: "Listen, this old system of yours could be on fire and I couldn't even turn on the kitchen tap without filling out a 27b/6... Bloody paperwork."
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"We don't care. We don't have to. (snort) [ablecomm.info] We're the Phone Company." - Lily (Ernestine) Tomlin
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Friendster rep Lisa Kopp insists [wired.com], "We have a policy that we are not being hacked."
These are the Pointy Haired Bushites who are protecting us from terrorists.
FCC?! (Score:3, Funny)
Deadlines to Register to Vote Approaching (Score:5, Insightful)
Does this make ping a security risk? (Score:3, Insightful)
Why stop there? (Score:5, Insightful)
I don't know about you, but I don't need a government report to tell me when my phone goes out, and neither do the terrorists.
A little knowledge is a dangerous thing... (Score:5, Insightful)
Can someone give an example of terrorists striking the phone system? Anywhere, ever?
(Need I remind people that terrorism isn't new or unique to the US.. )
Is there any indication that Al-Quaida even wants this information?
This is just ridiculous to the extreme, no matter how you look at it. Just to play devil's advocate, I'll go along with the fact that the US is engaged in a 'War on terror'.
Is this 'war on terror' a conventional war?
Is the goal of Al-Quaida (or whatever terror group you want) to disable the US military and its supporting infrastructure through strategic attacks? Why? Do they plan to invade?
Hell, no. The goal of terrorist organizations is to create terror. That is best done through spectacular things like hijackings, bombings and the slaughter of civilians.
Terrorists kill people. They don't bomb bridges, bust dams and destroy communications networks. They kill people, as many and as violently and as publicly as possible. The purpose is to create fear and publicitity. Actual military-strategic damage is far less important.
So why can't we know when our phone systems are down? Why are bridges being guarded? Why are people being harassed for photographing locks? [brownequalsterrorist.com]
The USA has managed to inflict more fear on itself than Osama ever could.
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Re:A little knowledge is a dangerous thing... (Score:3, Informative)
When I lived in Peru in the late 80's Sendero Luminoso used to target Peru's sorry excuse for a phone system quite frequently. They tended to prefer to destroy the high tension power lines, but they would settle for the phone lines in a pinch. There was also quite a few instances of terrorists attacks on the public water system while I lived in Lima (including *gasp* the destruction of at least one smallish dam).
I don't really see why outages should be Top Secret information, other than it may show terr
Standard of life? (Score:5, Insightful)
What the hell is the point defending things, preventing information falling into the hands of terrorists etc if you are destroying the very way of life you are trying to protect.
Flame away, but, it does strike me that Sep 11 was a tremendously "successful" terrorist action in terms, not so much of the event itself (although, from the instigators perspective, that can hardly be seen as a failure), but in terms of our reaction to it. It is now almost a matter of routine that more and more of our public and private rights are taken away from us and information is restricted to us.
(The recent bombing of the Australian embassy in Jakarta has been used to refuel the flames in Aussie politics).
Who is doing the most damage to our way of life? Us or them?
These aren't of course unique ideas, but they are ones that should never be forgotten.
Small disclaimer: I of course abhor terrorism in all its forms, when I refer to "success" I simply refer to the level to which the instigators objectives have been met.
Small note on disclaimer: It does bother me the level of paranoia is such at the moment that I feel the need to have the write the last paragraph and basically declare myself to be a reasonable human being who wishes no harm to anyone lest anybody make the assumption otherwise.
It's about time! (Score:5, Funny)
Now if they can just ban access to that nasty election and recount data, the terrorist will really be screwed.
Terrorists WTF? (Score:3, Insightful)
but if there's an outage....and i can't call (Score:5, Insightful)
Time to move (Score:4, Informative)
I can't get this information if I wanted it for a good business reason? My name is: My birthday is: I am who I am, born here as my father, his father, and well back many a generation. I have to sign a non-disclosure agreement and pass a security check? Fine. I had to to legally carry a gun as well -- which is in itself understandable, but another bothersome issue that existed well before 9/11... (my concern would be war, invasion, and if _I_ was invading the first list to round up would be the gun carriers).
I thought it was also ridiculous that the phone company tries to hide and doesn't want to give me a list show all area codes and prefix and which band (A, B, C, or D) they're in. 15 years ago I could request a NAMP list (I think it was) and get it. 5 years ago they simply refused. I have VoIP now, which is tapped I'm sure, but I digress...
OMFG!@!!!! TEH TERRISTS!!! (Score:5, Funny)
QUICK -- GRAB ANKLES, BEND N INSERT HED INTO ASSSSSS!!!@#@#!~!!!
Ohhhh fux0r -- it's so dark -- there must be black ops in here!!!!
This story is yet another prime example of why I am seriously considering expatrioting myself from this fear mongering society of irrational and doctrines of hysteria enfored by skittle colored terror alerts.
I had a conspiracy theory that I made as a "joke" back in the 9/11 days that the twin towers attack was "allowed" in the same way that the British allowed Nazi airstrikes because they didn't want the Nazi's to know that they could see them coming via a new tech called "radar" Only this time, instead of strategizing against an outernationalist enemy, they are strategizing against US citizens by inciting a state of controlled panic to leverage measures to restrict our liberties and nullify the constition.
You see... the constitution has loopholes that allow for secrecy of public information and "temporary" revocation of rights in the event of "war time" needs. So the obvious exploit is to start a never ending war and exploit those holes in our national charter to rootkit the entirity of the constitution.
At the time I considered it an item that would make you laugh then make you think... but as time has gone on, I'm laughing less and thinking more.
infowars.com (Score:3, Interesting)
Robert
The next state secret... (Score:3, Funny)
That'd make sure these pesky terrorists won't target our fearless leaders.
Hey wait a minute.... (Score:3)
Point being, are they admitting a failure?
Or who ever believed the government is capable of such widescope privacy invasion?
data/VoIP (Score:3)
Shhhhhh! Don't tell them where the airports are (Score:3)
priority check (Score:5, Funny)
You laugh now... (Score:5, Funny)
Haa, we'll fix that. Now, terrorists will get shoddy services like the rest of us!
"terrorist" bullshit (Score:4, Insightful)