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FCC Looks Into Regulating Violence on TV 506

The Importance of writes "The FCC's regulation of indecent and profane speech has gotten a lot of attention recently. Now, the FCC is considering getting into the business of regulating violence on television (broadcast and cable/satellite). This isn't unexpected, because the House Commerce Committee ordered the FCC to conduct the study. Notice of Inquiry [PDF] [TXT]. Somehow, I don't think the FCC is going to tell Congress there is nothing they can do about violence on TV."
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FCC Looks Into Regulating Violence on TV

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  • Max? (Score:4, Interesting)

    by DAldredge ( 2353 ) <SlashdotEmail@GMail.Com> on Wednesday July 28, 2004 @08:00PM (#9826796) Journal
    Does everyone in DC have a tv set from max headroom? I mean how fscking hard is it to turn the tv off or program your tv to skip the channels you do not like?
    • Re:Max? (Score:5, Insightful)

      by Commander Trollco ( 791924 ) on Wednesday July 28, 2004 @08:09PM (#9826871)
      That doesn't matter, the point is to clamp down on what the plebs can see and hear. The consolidation of federal power has been going on since Hamilton, and this is just one small step for mankind's enslavement. Considered in the light of other [humaneventsonline.com] news, anyone can see what direction we are headed in. "Slippery Slope" is not a fallacy, it is usually correct.
      • Re:Max? (Score:5, Insightful)

        by what the dumple is ( 682010 ) on Wednesday July 28, 2004 @09:56PM (#9827513)
        Funny* you should choose the phrase, "enslavement."

        My fortune when I logged on today was:

        A warning from Scots Historian Professor Alexander Tyler circa 1787 re the fall of the Athenian Republic:

        "A democracy cannot exist as a permanent form of government. It can only exist until the voters discover that they can vote themselves money (generous gifts) from the public treasury. From that moment on the majority always votes for the candidates promising the most money from the public treasury, with the result that a democracy always collapses over loose fiscal policy, (which is) always followed by a dictatorship."

        "The average age of the world's greatest civilization has been two hundred years. These nations have progressed through this sequence.

        From bondage to spiritual faith;
        from spiritual faith to great courage;
        from courage to liberty;
        from liberty to abundance,
        from abundance to selfishness;
        from selfishness to complacency,
        from complacency to apathy,
        from apathy to dependency,
        from dependence back into bondage."


        If the 90s were all about apathy it's dead clear where we're headed. My take, if they're going to do somewhat about violence, at least give us our sex back. :p

        * not so much funny as interesting, really.
        • Reader beware (Score:5, Informative)

          by Anonymous Coward on Thursday July 29, 2004 @12:24AM (#9828321)
          That quote seems to be fictitious [snopes.com].
        • by Shihar ( 153932 )
          At the risk of a troll, conspiracy theories aside, I would say the US is anything but an apathetic nation. Perhaps you could point the Europe as being apathetic these days, but the US seems very much hell bent on changing the world. Forget whether it is changing for better or for worse. I would say in the past 60 years the US touched just about everything in this world, and done it with a great passion. The Cuban missile crisis was the US stating pretty clearly that they care enough to risk a nuclear wa
          • by ultranova ( 717540 ) on Thursday July 29, 2004 @08:13AM (#9830132)

            In this day in age the US is still very much not an apathetic player in the game.

            All the examples you've given show the US, as a single entity, being active. However, that was not the point. It's the apathy/activity of the people that decide the fate of democracy (and what the parent was referring to).

            Democracy is based on the rulers being accountable to the ones being ruled. This accountability can only happen if the subjects are active - passive subjects let their government stay in power even after it screws up, basically allowing it unlimited power. Because of this, the ones in power want their subjects to remain passive. TV is a tool for this passification. That was the argument.

            Conspiracy theories of corporate overlords and Saudi families aside

            "Conspiracy" refers to some kind of secret plot, but the contributions from corporations to US politicians are public knowledge, available from, for example Opensecrets.org [opensecrets.org], so unless you think that the donating corporations are stupid enough to continuously spend money for no gain (which they propably aren't - they wouldn't have gotten big if they were), I'd say those theories are statements of facts.

    • Re:Max? (Score:5, Insightful)

      by Lord Kano ( 13027 ) on Wednesday July 28, 2004 @08:20PM (#9826956) Homepage Journal
      You seem to be missing the point my friend. This is all about money. It's a shakedown. Hollywood isn't passing around enough campaign funds. Congress will threaten regulation, a flood of campaign funds will flow in and the call for regulation will be forgotten.

      This is just like every other argument, it isn't to protect the "average" person. It's to protect the morons who are too stupid to learn how to change the channel. And especially those people who are too stupid to use "The V Chip" that congress mandated be included in all new TV sets. Remember when they told us that they were mandating that so "parents" would be empowered to control the television viewing habits of their children? All of a sudden, that's not enough. MORE HAS TO BE DONE! I call bullshit. It's a smokescreen and a sham. This is about legal extortion, nothing more and nothing less.

      LK
      • Hmm, mandate that all TVs must ship with the V-chip turned on by default, so that only people that know how to program a TV will be able to hear the swear words?
      • Amen, Brother! (Score:2, Interesting)

        by quarkscat ( 697644 )
        The wealthiest portions of the IT industry basically "ignored their duty" to make political donations in the 1990's. How dare they! The pigopolists like Microsoft would never have come into the crosshairs of the DoJ if they had been "sharing the wealth" more amongst the polititians. The anti-trust settlement against Microsoft was finalized under a GOP administration that has gone out of its way to be friendly (with out- stretched hand) with big business. It was no accident that Microsoft's "punishment" w
      • Re:Max? (Score:3, Insightful)

        by pgnas ( 749325 )

        ...who are too stupid to use "The V Chip" that congress mandated be included in all new TV sets.

        Can I puke now? It's always about money or power. In addition, when are we going to learn that we are incapable of making decisions on our own about our own lives, they must be made for us through legislation. If they were not made for us, how would they justify their existance. There are enough laws right now for us to be on auto-pilot for the next 50 years, I suspect we would avoid anarchy during that time,

      • Re:Max? (Score:3, Interesting)

        by severoon ( 536737 )

        Hear, hear!

        The V chip makes me mad. This is a minor example of what's happened to cars over the last fifteen years or so. My dad bought a brand new 1989 Dodge Omni for $5900 off the showroom floor. The exact same car, in the year they stopped making that particular model, went for about $10,500.

        What happened? Did inflation nearly halve the value of money in the 90s? Nope...it was nuts like Nader running around proclaiming that every single car has to have child seat anchors and inside-the-truck latch

    • Nothing will ever come of this. If you made a list of conservative politicians' favorite movies, most of them would be violent. This is simply an election year ploy to kiss up to the religious right and squeeze out a few more votes. After the election, this will not be mentioned again and if anyone asks about it, the failure to regulate TV will be blamed on liberals. Hollywood and TV networks donate to almost all political campaigns, and their donations are far larger than the Christian Coalition's, so that
    • Re:Max? (Score:5, Insightful)

      by fermion ( 181285 ) on Thursday July 29, 2004 @12:06AM (#9828245) Homepage Journal
      Turning off the TV is what everyone wants to prevent.

      TV is the perfect medium. It passively places the rabble in a harmless state without the negative effects of other methods such as alcohol. Such pacification is a critical part of social control.

      TV allows the elite to clearly define the norms and customs of said rabble and set the appropriate expectations. This means that every person in America knows that he or she must consume. It means that every person in America has a common cultural basis.

      TV clearly presents people in similar economic and social situations as the rabble, but with better stuff. This implies that the lack of stuff is caused by some personal defect, and not the fact that your job pays nothing. Friends was brilliant in this regard, convincing gullible young adults that life is good and good things could be had even if the means to pay for them was non existent

      Remember that the one mistake Bradbury made in Fahrenheit 451 was the notion that we would need walls of TVs for social control. We now know that a single set will do the job. We now have confirmation that people will go into debt to acquire this means of social control.

  • Cable/Satilite (Score:5, Insightful)

    by Ryan Stortz ( 598060 ) <`ryan0rz' `at' `gmail.com'> on Wednesday July 28, 2004 @08:00PM (#9826798)
    Hey, I thought Cable and Satelite were more or less restriction free on what they can broadcast. They just do some self censoring. It works now, why mess with a good thing?
    • by gad_zuki! ( 70830 ) on Wednesday July 28, 2004 @08:04PM (#9826832)
      Expect more of this to fire up the GOP base and conservative democrats.

      I mean, how many people are going to be upset at a politician who claims "I fought to clean up violent media."

      Its a shame most people don't see that as meaning, "I'm big on censorship."
    • Re:Cable/Satilite (Score:3, Insightful)

      by Anonymous Coward
      It works now, why mess with a good thing?

      Because there's still violence and in the world, and we all know the world was a vast utopia of love and understanding before TV.
      The world is so evil today because the morals of the elite few has not been crammed down everyone's throats enough! Down with free speech, it only breeds violence!

      Yeah, that was sarcasm for those who haven't realised it.
    • Re:Cable/Satilite (Score:3, Interesting)

      by calidoscope ( 312571 )
      Hey, I thought Cable and Satelite were more or less restriction free on what they can broadcast.

      Since satellite still uses over the air transmission, they are theoretically less "immune" to regulation of content than cable. A cable-co can block objectionable material from even getting into your house by filtering out the appropriate channels.

      Methinks the broadcasters are now reaping what they've sown - they've been asking for increased regulation in the form of "broadcast flags" and the like - the FCC is

  • by havaloc ( 50551 ) * on Wednesday July 28, 2004 @08:01PM (#9826801) Homepage
    there isn't enough violence for me and we need to regulate it to get more.
  • by beee ( 98582 ) on Wednesday July 28, 2004 @08:02PM (#9826810) Homepage
    There was a report issued in 2002 to determine whether the FCC had jurisdiction over webcasts (internet TV and the like) and whether or not their current TV regulations would apply. It's pretty interesting and their conclusions are somewhat alarming (especially if you oppose regulation on the internet), but it appears not much came of it. You can read the report here: DOC [fcc.gov], PDF [fcc.gov], or TXT [fcc.gov].
    • There's no such thing as a "Web broadcast". Broadcasts mean that you're sending information in a broad manner. Web streams are no-sort-of-casts because they have to be requested before the information is transmitted. This is important to realize when considering whether or not the gov't has their normal TV regulation authority over Web streams.
  • Regulation? (Score:5, Funny)

    by Carnildo ( 712617 ) on Wednesday July 28, 2004 @08:02PM (#9826818) Homepage Journal

    I'll shoot the next guy who tries to tell me that violence on TV is a bad thing!
  • Does this mean (Score:2, Insightful)

    by Anonymous Coward
    that we can no longer see wartime footage? Highly convenient that such steps should become popular about the time the most American casualties are occurring in this administration's ill-guided war.
  • Equalising... (Score:5, Insightful)

    by cujo_1111 ( 627504 ) on Wednesday July 28, 2004 @08:03PM (#9826828) Homepage Journal
    Finally they are trying to equalise their violence vs nudity vs language levels, going the wrong way though.

    How is it that in the US you can see as many shootings as you want on TV bvut as soon as someone says fuck or bares a breast, the loonies go nuts... I thought seeing people getting killed would harm a kid more than seeing a breast or two.
    • Re:Equalising... (Score:4, Interesting)

      by Creepy Crawler ( 680178 ) on Wednesday July 28, 2004 @08:26PM (#9827007)
      Go watch 60's and 70's western shows.

      A little racy (for their time), but you see what 'land rights' are, how to deal with squatters, and other problems.. You shoot em. Go watch an episode of Bonanza, there's almost guaranteed someone to die. By gunshot, poisons, natural causes, starvation...

      You're also taught respect, courage, and humility. You were also taught how to be a man (in some aspects). And I dont mean this pig-like "go get me a beer, wench" type.. but someone who stands up for what they believe in.

      Anything on TV now has lost what shred of worthiness it once had. Dont go saying im romanticising about the past.. Tell me that "YOURE FIRED", Big Brother, or some other tipe show on now has anything worth listening?
      • Re:Equalising... (Score:4, Insightful)

        by killjoe ( 766577 ) on Thursday July 29, 2004 @01:14AM (#9828561)
        Unfortunately the american psyche got burned with that image of what "being a man" was. Mainly it meant that you killed people and resorted to violence immediately. Is there an episode of any show from the 60s and seventies which did not involve fights and violence? Well maybe but they are pretty rare.

        It's remarkable to me how this worwhip of violence and defining your manhood by how many people you hurt and kill permeated our society to such level that we can't seem to go five years without dropping bombs on somebody or another.
    • by Izago909 ( 637084 ) <tauisgod@[ ]il.com ['gma' in gap]> on Wednesday July 28, 2004 @08:51PM (#9827162)
      You are forgetting that America was founded by prudes. For Gods sake, the Brittish thought they were too uptight.
      • Re:Equalising... (Score:5, Informative)

        by gwalla ( 130286 ) on Wednesday July 28, 2004 @10:04PM (#9827559) Homepage
        To be historically accurate, the American attitudes most often called "puritanical" actually had their origin much later, in the Victorian era. Puritanism itself was not, ultimately, that influential in American life--it'd been basically drowned out by secular elements before the Revolutionary War.
    • Re:Equalising... (Score:3, Interesting)

      How is it that in the US you can see as many shootings as you want on TV bvut as soon as someone says fuck or bares a breast, the loonies go nuts... I thought seeing people getting killed would harm a kid more than seeing a breast or two.

      I have a theory about why violence is deemed "OK" but sex is not. It goes a little like this:

      Most of us are reasonable enough that when we see a bad guy shooting random people on TV, we recognise his behvaiour as completely unacceptable and not something to be copied. I

      • Re:Equalising... (Score:5, Informative)

        by cujo_1111 ( 627504 ) on Wednesday July 28, 2004 @09:12PM (#9827268) Homepage Journal
        However, almost every single teenager in the world is a raging ball of hormones, and seeing T&A on TV only makes them hornier.

        In other words, lots of kids will replicate sexual behaviour they see in movies and on TV, but not many will replicate the violent behaviour they observe.


        Have you seen the nudity that is broadcast in a lot of European countries? They show breasts in commercials, do they have a massive teenage pregnancy problem? No they don't.

        Do you think that it could be possible that restricting nudity could have the opposite effect in controlling teenage pregnancies?
      • Re:Equalising... (Score:3, Insightful)

        by Anonymous Coward
        I have a theory about why violence is deemed "OK" but sex is not.

        I have a theory too: the Americans are just nuts.
      • Re:Equalising... (Score:4, Interesting)

        by Coryoth ( 254751 ) on Wednesday July 28, 2004 @11:29PM (#9828063) Homepage Journal
        However, almost every single teenager in the world is a raging ball of hormones, and seeing T&A on TV only makes them hornier.

        In other words, lots of kids will replicate sexual behaviour they see in movies and on TV, but not many will replicate the violent behaviour they observe.


        Which is interesting really. Teens will "replicate the sexual behaviour they see". Now just where do you think they'll see this sexual behaviour? In a more open society that didn't cringe at every minor sighting of breast and keep everything repressed (like, say, Europe) they might see sexual behaviour treated openly and honestly. In a prudish society that tries to hide everything away from the poor children they'll probably have to resort to porn to see much sexual behaviour.

        Hmm, open honest representations, or porn... I wonder which is better to have them trying to replicate?

        It's worth noting that despite their much more open attitudes toward sex Europe has a lower rate of teen pregnancy than the US.

        Jedidiah.
  • by Bryan Ischo ( 893 ) * on Wednesday July 28, 2004 @08:04PM (#9826830) Homepage
    ... for me and for my kids. Better yet, don't censor the airwaves at all, just require a very thorough, detailed, and precise rating system, and enforce it. Then parents can decide what is suitable for themselves to view as well as their children, and nobody needs to step on anyone else's right to broadcast what they want or watch what they want.

    Also, I think that any program whose audience is intended to be children, should not be allowed to have commercials. This would protect kids from commercial interests and would have the side benefit of reducing the amount of insipid commercial programming that wastes kids' time and rots their brains and bodies (because producing such programming would no longer be profitable, and all that kids would be left with would be educational programming on PBS).

    Of course, there's nothing more important than responsible parenting, and that should be the first line of defense for children. But just because we want parents to be responsible doesn't mean that we shouldn't give them all the tools possible to be such, and provide as much of a safety net as possible for those kids whose parents are not responsible.

    • by LiquidMind ( 150126 ) on Wednesday July 28, 2004 @08:12PM (#9826896)
      having moved to the states from germany, i was amazed at how the violence to sex content ratio is so backwards. i remember watching a commercial during germany's prime-time tv shows, and they'd advertise some shampoo where you'd see the lady bare-chested and everything....and it wasn't a big deal.
      i think people are very hard-up about anything regarding sex in this country. remember that nipple slip during the supperbowl? wow, mothers of America were yelling bloody murder! i read some email that was sent to CNN from a concerned mother who stated that her child's life will now forever be changed because of that scene.
      I'm not surprised that we see so many sex-related crimes in this country, it seems that people have been so shunned from sex while they were growing up, that when they're old enough to do whatever they want, they go all psycho....
      I honestly think that teaching your kids about sex and showing them that it's a very natural part of human life is not a bad thing (TM).
      • I honestly think that teaching your kids about sex and showing them that it's a very natural part of human life is not a bad thing (TM).

        I understand that you haven't been in this country very long but please try to remember that we are under a conservative, religious, republican regime that believes in creationism, teaching abstinence instead of condom usage, covering a CLASSICAL ART statue because it is nude, and ignoring the seperation of State and Church.

        Of course we have to be up in arms about a boob
        • Please. Broadcast television standards have been in place since the first commercial station got a license.

          This administration may be conservative prudes, but so was everyone else ever at the wheel of the FCC, and blaming existing decency standards on them is unjustified.

      • Horrific, deplorable violence is OK as long as people don't say any naughty words

      • It was Puritan society that established the first European foothold on this Continent. Are you surprised at how prudish American culture is? Why, it's an institution in the United States.

        Guess what, mothers of America? Your child has already seen and probably performed many of the things you feel so abhorent. I mean how many kids are bussed to the local museum to see statues, paintings, and [gasp] dare I say nudity? And those Bible stories? Hey, didn't Abraham schtoop his maid and was blessed for it?
        • Exactly. The Puritan tradition remains. It went into remission partially during the 18th and early 19th century, but came back full force with the rise of Fundamentalist Christianity in the late 19th and early 20th century. It then went into remission again in the 1920s, but the Depression and WW2 helped to get it re-established so that sexual moral standards were very oppressive during the 50's and 60's, when TV became ubiquitous.

          Such a sensible post from someone who considers me a foe. Makes me wonde
      • by Denyer ( 717613 ) on Wednesday July 28, 2004 @08:36PM (#9827074)
        i read some email that was sent to CNN from a concerned mother who stated that her child's life will now forever be changed because of that scene.

        I assume she either never breastfed (in itself lacking wisdom) or is simply a fucking hypocrite.

        Come to think of it, families are evidence of sex. Perhaps we should ban those on TV, too.

      • Broadcast TV is far different from cable/sat. During broadcast prime time hours, there is the expectation of no nudity. i.e. family time. A safe place for kids to hang with the parents and watch TV. It wasn't so much the nipple, but the expectation of not seeing a nipple during the Superbowl. And you KNOW they did that for the shock value, and the rating spurt it brought.

        Cable is far, far different. You KNOW there will be some sex & violence, so hopefully you regulate your kids appropriately.

        Nudity,
      • I completely agree with the idiocy of american puritanism. But, just one point: the "nipple slip" (she was actually wearing a pastie) was probably more objectionable than it would usually be because of the inexpectedness of it. That is, if you don't want your kids to see that, you can usually pay attention to ratings and have certain content expectations for regular TV, especially sports. But when the content is rated one way and turns out to be different, it's very difficult to "protect" one's children, so
    • [quote]
      Better yet, don't censor the airwaves at all, just require a very thorough, detailed, and precise rating system, and enforce it. Then parents can decide what is suitable for themselves to view as well as their children, and nobody needs to step on anyone else's right to broadcast what they want or watch what they want
      [/quote]

      I think that's the way to go. However, most parents in this country don't want to have any responsibility with their kids. They would rather have the govt. play babysitter and t
    • How about YOU as a parent (I assume) do YOUR job and pay attention to what's on TV and decided for YOURSELF what is best for you and your children?

      The FCC was not meant to become a censorship committee deciding what is decent and indecent for the public. They control the fucking airwaves. We shouldn't be allowing them to continue their bullshit.
      • Please read my comments again. I said that I think that broadcasters should be required to accurately rate and describe the content of their programs. Then it should be up to parents to use the tools available to them to limit what their children watch.

        The airwaves are a public resource. The public has every right to place restrictions on how it is used for the greater good of the owners of that resource (which is, of course, the public). I see no problem with the FCC enforcing very thorough and comple
        • I said that I think that broadcasters should be required to accurately rate and describe the content of their programs. The airwaves are a public resource. The public has every right to place restrictions on how it is used for the greater good of the owners of that resource (which is, of course, the public).

          Sorry but you are not making sense. The FCC is not the public. They SHOULD NOT be allowed to do what you propose.

          Parents should be able to decide for themselves (without intervention from a governm
          • In a democracy, the government IS the public. It is made up of public citizens, selected publicly, with the sole purpose of putting into effect the common will of the public.

            The FCC is a branch of the government.

            Therefore, the FCC *IS* the public, and SHOULD be allowed to do what I propose.

            Parents ARE able to decide for themselves what is acceptable, but they need to KNOW what it is they are deciding about before they can make the decision. A thorough and complete ratings (and description!) system for
    • by Triumph The Insult C ( 586706 ) on Wednesday July 28, 2004 @08:20PM (#9826955) Homepage Journal
      Better yet, don't censor the airwaves at all, just require a very thorough, detailed, and precise rating system, and enforce it.

      NO! This is the wrong approach. The gov't should not do any of this. The FCC should be there to make sure Company A's radio freqs don't mess with Company B's radio freqs, and end there.

      The gov't saying what's wrong and what's right, what's too sexually explicit and what's not, is completely wrong.

      If soccer mom's are afraid that their kid might see something bad on TV, they can: A) don't let the kid watch TV or B) let the kid watch and explain it was wrong. having the gov't rate what is right and wrong is just flat-out wrong. what's next? the FCC says a Christian radio show isn't indecent, but a Jewish one is?

      Keeping children safe is the responsibility of the parent, not the gov't.
      • [quote]
        If soccer mom's are afraid that their kid might see something bad on TV, they can: A) don't let the kid watch TV or B) let the kid watch and explain it was wrong. having the gov't rate what is right and wrong is just flat-out wrong. what's next? the FCC says a Christian radio show isn't indecent, but a Jewish one is?
        [/quote]

        Apparently, you agree with me, even though you think you don't.

        I said that the government should enforce very detailed, thorough, and complete ratings for programming. Then par
    • Then parents can decide what is suitable for themselves to view as well as their children, and nobody needs to step on anyone else's right to broadcast what they want or watch what they want.
      A small handgun provides the thorough, detailed, and precise rating system you require. Simply "point" and "click."

      Once you've applied your new rating system to every TeeVee in the house, provide every one of your brood with a Library Card.

  • come on - you can't show sex or drugs - at least leave us our ultraviolence. or regulate the news channels.
  • Our problem in the States these days is that parents want the government to be responsible for their kids. When their kids get in trouble for shoplifting or shooting another kid over a pair of shoes, they want to point to violence on TV or the music they listen to as the problem. Unfortunately, the real problem, as most intelligent people know, is the parents themselves. They don't want to take the time to raise their kids. They want the onus of responsibility to be with the government, hence these absurd l
    • What we need is to start prosecuting parents for the crimes of their children so that parents will start taking responsibility for their kids again.

      Um, we do. Or do you mean we should stop prosecuting kids who are 16+ years of age? In which case, I agree (and yeah, I know, there are younger kids who are prosecuted. Sometimes a good thing, sometimes a bad thing).
  • violence?
    Great, this means that Ryan Seacrest will finally be off the air!
    That man has probably inspired more rage than any other actor in history.
  • this is not a problem for the gov't

    this problem can be solved very easily

    on most TVs, there is a dial, keypad, or buttons that can be used to change what channel is currently showing. it's an amazing piece of technology that a parent can use to influence the life of a child
  • Violence is a Way Of Life in the USA.

    Well, at least that's how TV has been portraying it.
    Removing violence from the average US TV show is going to be a sort of decapitation for the industry, the remarkable result could be no life left for them.

    But thank God for the Real American Values there is satellite where the FCC has no power!

  • Oh god (Score:5, Funny)

    by Trikenstein ( 571493 ) on Wednesday July 28, 2004 @08:08PM (#9826864)
    I can see it now.

    It'll be like 80's TV all over again.
    Like the A-Team, where they expend 10K rounds of ammo, but no one ever gets hurt.
    Or during a fist fight or HtH combat, the guys always land on soft cardboard.
    And those god awful wimpy, mustache twirling, limp wristed villains they had back then.

  • by thomasj ( 36355 ) on Wednesday July 28, 2004 @08:09PM (#9826873) Homepage
    I find it more disturbing having my kids see guns on television than breasts.

    But, ... I am from Europe.

  • bad TV. I'm more offended that we see all the WWF wrestling and shows like "Saved by the Bell." Once sex and violence is gone, then we can get rid of the crud, and we'll only have good wholesome shows like "Dr. Quinn, Medicine Woman." Star Trek is out, because they have guns.
  • Funny how... (Score:5, Interesting)

    by Transcendent ( 204992 ) on Wednesday July 28, 2004 @08:10PM (#9826880)
    ...we used to make fun of other countries (like in the middle east) because of how their government censored the public.

    Put another religious leader in the american government, and I guess we'll get the same result.

    </politeness>

    Why is the US so damn anal about nudity and violence? The mid east cuts off people's appendages on TV and normal public, Europe had free nudity on TV and on the beaches (Canadain women can even walk around topless)... but damned if someone curses or shows a little leg on my good ol' American Television!
    • Re:Funny how... (Score:3, Interesting)

      by riptide_dot ( 759229 ) *
      Offtopic, I know...but I just had to spout this off:

      One of the core beliefs of our founding fathers (that I'll bet is making them turn over in their graves now) was that our government (and any decent government for that matter) should hold as one of its highest priorities the seperation of church and state.

      Just about every one of the U.S. Presidents has had a religious background [adherents.com] of some sort.

      The problem comes in when they decide that their religion is the best for the entire country and therefore sta
    • Re:Funny how... (Score:3, Insightful)

      by Herkum01 ( 592704 )

      The mideast cuts off people's appendages on TV

      They also make the US like pretty free and wild compared to how women are allowed to dress. Different strokes and all.

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  • by Rosco P. Coltrane ( 209368 ) on Wednesday July 28, 2004 @08:11PM (#9826894)
    They should regulate the media industry. Prevent, instead of encourage, media consolidation. Regulate if/how media businesses should be owned by corporations, and ensure said corps don't dictate the media outlet's line. And most of all, they should prevent its CEO (the chief regulator) to have such close tie with a member of a government that demonstrably wants a total secrecy and government-approved only press releases.

    Instead of that, they pretend to be working on censoring nudity and violence on TV, which is a comparatively mundane and non-important, and pretend to be working on stuff that way. In reality, they just divert the public's attention from the real issues they're not working on, a method not unlike what Joseph Goebbels was advocating.
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  • Dumbass Politican 1 : "Okay, heres the plan. Lets fist make it so we only got like 3 media companys."

    Dumbass Politican 2 : "Yea, I'm feeling ya."

    D.P. 1 : "Then, we can enact these here laws that allow us squash any kind of creative thought!"

    D.P. 2 : "Hell yea, but why do we need that consolidation again?"

    D.P. 1 : "Cause numbnuts, the networks said that they're sick of having to compete for viewers. And if theres only two or three companys, and nobody can serve anything but vanilla, THEN they no long
  • The V-Chip (Score:5, Insightful)

    by stubear ( 130454 ) on Wednesday July 28, 2004 @08:19PM (#9826948)
    This is a great use for the V-Chip, the much maligned device that would be put in all televisions and allow parents to censor what shows their kids could watch and let others watch whatever the hell they want. However, thanks to over reactive "experts", the V-Chip was crucified as being a tool of government sanctioned censorship of our airwaves, ignoring the fact that it's actually self censorship. I say bring the V-Chip back and establish a consistent rating system for all television shows to use.
    • Re:The V-Chip (Score:5, Interesting)

      by Bryan Ischo ( 893 ) * on Wednesday July 28, 2004 @08:47PM (#9827140) Homepage
      Very true, but the V-Chip system is pretty weak.

      I work for TiVo and I implemented most of the "parental controls" functionality present in TiVo software. I can attest to the fact that V-Chip ratings are pretty hit-and-miss: some networks use them consistently, some don't. It's much worse with digital over-the-air broadcasts: even though the FCC has more control over over-the-air broadcasts, all the stations that I have seen very, very rarely broadcast ratings in their PSIP data.

      I am all for the V-Chip system because it gives parents the ability to restrict their kids viewing without actually controlling the content itself (V-Chip ratings simply augment the content and make it easier to determine ahead of time if the content is acceptable for a child to watch).

      But, I think that V-Chip ratings should be *much* more detailed, precise, and most importantly, UNIVERSALLY ENFORCED. And I think that the FCC should have the responsibility and power to force all broadcasters to very thoroughly and accurately rate their broadcasts.
    • The V-Chip still requires you to trust the body who rates the program and have faith that they are unbiased.
  • by ejaw5 ( 570071 )
    so much for raunchy NBC-style sex or senseless CBS-style violence.

    Really now, how hard is it to change the bloody channel when you see something you don't like? ..or teach your kids what they shouldn't be watching, or if mature enough watch and understand what's wrong with it or what was being shown on tv reflect on our own real world? If there's a shoot-em-up special and people want to watch it, let them watch in peace. If there's a skinamax special and people want to watch it, let them watch in peace.
  • first they came after topless black women...
    then howard stern...
    now action movie stars...

    Soon they get the gays and the non-English speakers!

    Can't interfere with the new plan for the master race and all... can't wait for the FCC and the proposed 9/11 joining of MINT/FBI/CIA SS to issue me my new barcode identity number. I guess instead of star of davids we'll get little frowny jesus figures.
  • Iraq coverage? (Score:5, Insightful)

    by raistphrk ( 203742 ) on Wednesday July 28, 2004 @08:24PM (#9826995)
    What, does this mean that we won't be able to hear about the actual events that occur in Iraq, since that's too violent for our poor, virgin American ears and eyes?

    The problem with this policy is that it ignores the fact that the world is a violent place. Maybe things aren't so bad out by the FCC building in DC, but if the FCC took a stroll out through the city of DC alone at night, they'd probably get mugged. If they meandered through the streets of Darfur in Sudan, they'd get shot. If they stepped out into the neighborhoods of Fallujah, they'd be blown up.

    The world isn't violent because of what's on TV or the Internet. The world is a violent place because people can't get it through their damn head that maybe - JUST MAYBE - if we all started to respect one another and chill out occasionally, we'd live in a happier place. But no. Wars and gang shootings aren't happening because of human frailty, selfishness, or obstinance. No. It's because some guy got shot on network TV last night.
  • Since when does the FCC have jurisdiction over non-broadcast technology like cable TV? Just one more example of a government agency overstepping the bounds of its intended purpose.
  • I guess we have to blame all those people that said "hey, there's so much violence on TV, what's the big deal about Janet's boob?" Did you really think that the result would be more boobs on TV? Where am I supposed to get my sex and violence now? Yeah, thanks a lot.
  • This just in:

    The FCC has decided that the only after-school specials will meet their criteria for decency on the airwaves. Starting tomorrow, all networks will begin airing Full House and Saved by the Bell. All day. Every day.

    In other news:

    Dustin Diamond, reportedly thirty seconds from hanging himself in a closet, quit his failing career as a comedian and signed on with NBC to film ten new seasons of Saved by the Bell.
  • since archery, shooting, boxing, fencing, judo, taekwondo, and wrestling glorify violence, they should be either banned, or only broadcast after 10 pm.

  • Instead of banning violence just give an AWARD to the best sponsor of violent TV.

    This doesn't say it is good or bad, it just says who is paying the most to bring it into your living room.
  • by jlanthripp ( 244362 ) on Wednesday July 28, 2004 @08:44PM (#9827123) Journal
    The government really needs to regulate violence on television. The violence on television lately is so poor that the only fix is for the government to step in and ensure that all violence shown on television meets standards of quality. I for one demand that the violence in my entertainment be the finest violence available.
    • by BCW2 ( 168187 )
      ABC, CBS, NBC have alot of catching up to do. CNN and Fox News are showing much more violence from Iraq than the other three show any day put together. Quality violence is so hard to find.
  • So, tv becomes "worse".

    Maybe less people will sit around on the couch? Or less will fall victim to ads for useless products and junk food. The future looks truly bleak.
  • on American TV - there were two today, but only AlJazeera shows it.

    They want to censor TV even more?

  • Seriously what violence are they talking about? Talk shows? Eat Bugs shows? The Real World? Golf? The Fishing Channel? Who wants to marry my Dad? Oprah? Fairly Odd Parents?

    What violence?

    Do they mean channels that are already restricted like HBO?
  • by Shihar ( 153932 ) on Wednesday July 28, 2004 @09:16PM (#9827296)
    I say take care of your own damned kids and leave me alone. I am an adult, I don't want a fucking V-chip in my TV and I don't want the FCC to decide what program I can and can not watch. The networks are already squeamish enough about what they show, I don't need the FCC to kill entirely kill any hope for a TV show being gritty.

    One reason why I love HBO is because they flip the bird to censorship and guess what? Every single year they rake in the awards for their programming. Censorship kills intelligent programming. Why the hell can't the government get the fuck out of my TV, out of my house, and stop punishing me because some parent is too fucking stupid to take care of their own kid?

    Is your kid a little shit who likes to watch bad things behind your back and you are unable to control the little brat? Here is a solution, throw out your fucking TV or lock it in your room. I am so fucking pissed at how much I have to pay for other people's stupidity these days. I can't fucking smoke pot, can't watch violent/sexual TV, my fucking city closes at 2 am (hurray Boston curfew laws!), the rave seen as all been shut down in my area, I can't buy liquor at a bar past 1 am (another hurray for Boston's blue light laws!), violent video games are on the decline because Lieberman takes every chance he can get to threaten the industry, I can't gamble, and I can't even find an all night dinner (one more cheer for Boston curfew laws!) all because somewhere someone out there is too fucking stupid to handle these 'major' responsibilities. I am pissed and I am sick of seeing my liberties being slowly sucked away because some dumbass out there needs the government to protect themselves from themselves or watch their fucking kids.

    So let me state it clearly. If you can't take care of yourself or your kids, please do me a favor and go fuck yourself. Don't beg the government to save you from your own incompetence at life. Go move to a nation that gets off on baby sitting its citizens or just purge your worthless genes from the pool. If you can take care of yourself, but really want to help other people take care of themselves, for fucks sake, stop being such a whiny little hypocritical bitch, get off your ass, and go help. Don't beg the government to do the work you want done for you. Want to keep kids from watching violent TV? Get off your fucking ass, make the rounds in your neighborhood and tell parents how to raise their kids. Someone might even listen to. Hell, offer to baby sit the little shits 24/7 and make sure the job gets done right. Just stay the fuck away from me.

    Honestly, if we start flinging rockets to mars or asteroids I'll sign up and be the first guy to start a new world. Maybe then in my pressurized habitat in the middle of a barren wasteland I can enjoy some nice violent and sexual explicitly TV in peace.
  • political judo (Score:4, Insightful)

    by Doc Ruby ( 173196 ) on Thursday July 29, 2004 @03:51AM (#9829230) Homepage Journal
    Congress will regulate the TV violence display choices for everyone, which will have wide support from lazy parents. Then, when they apply the same rules to sex, there will be momentum, and it will be easy. Then, when they apply the same rules to "dangerous ideas", it won't be so hard. Then it doesn't matter what they do.

I have hardly ever known a mathematician who was capable of reasoning. -- Plato

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