Italy Approves Jail for P2P Users 533
funkdid writes "Italy has made transferring content via the Internet without the permission of the copyright holder a criminal offence.Those found guilty of the unauthorised distribution of copyright material now face a fine of between 154 and 1032 ($185-1240), a jail sentence of between six months and three years, the confiscation of their hardware and software, and the revelation of their misdeeds in Italy's two national newspapers, La Repubblica and Corriere della Sera."
At least the trains will run on time. (Score:5, Insightful)
I think it wrong to illegally copy... (Score:5, Insightful)
over reaction (Score:5, Insightful)
Open-source music and movies? (Score:3, Insightful)
I can foresee a possible future with Creative Commons, the GPL, the Free Documentation License, and the BSD license influencing the licensing of droves of hobbyist movies and music. I'm talking much, much more than we see now. Maybe the music and movie companies see this coming. Maybe they want to kill p2p not only because their own work is distributed royalty-free across it, but also because with the software to make competitive products getting better and p2p being a great distribution method, they're afraid of losing market share to upstarts.
Think of how scared SCO and MS are of Linux.
P2P now a crime!? (Score:1, Insightful)
Anyway, with the advances in P2P technology, it can become impossible to track who is getting what. Just like in Freenet.
Re:Newspapers (Score:4, Insightful)
Re:Email is copyrighted... (Score:2, Insightful)
Does this have something to do with Silvio? (Score:5, Insightful)
I could imagine that along with his general right wing Agenda, Prime Minister Silvio Whats-his-name might want to protect the interests of media companies. Or rather, the media company, since he is the only one.
Enforce it. (Score:5, Insightful)
If this law is really so draconian as the discription implies (this is
I guarantee we'd here the angry screams all the way to N. America and it would be dropped pretty darn fast, I'll bet.
middle age? (Score:3, Insightful)
and the revelation of their misdeeds in Italy's two national newspapers, La Repubblica and Corriere della Sera.
they should be kicked out of the european union instantly. i mean, sorry, but this is a punishment from the middle age.
I'd be less bothered by this... (Score:5, Insightful)
Level the playing field before punishing consumers for being the only competitor this industry has.
The Need for Effective Anonymous P2P (Score:5, Insightful)
As I see it, one of the most effective ways to counter this is to use once again raise the technological bar of P2P technologies. A system where the user does not know or control what content is stored on their PC (a la Freenet) would eliminate the ability of the legal system to charge an individual for distribution. In order for this to occur, anonymous software systems need to be made more effective and easier to use for the average user.
I'm sure many people will suggest that I just want to make sure things are easy to steal. The honest answer is that I don't; the same technology used to ensure illicit communications are caught could just as easily be used against legal but undesirable communications. The increased availability of raw information has revolutionized our society (just look at the Abu Gharaib scandal; that could not have happened a decade ago), and any attempts to restrict that movement must be opposed or countered.
Re:At least the trains will run on time. (Score:5, Insightful)
Re:Enforce it. (Score:5, Insightful)
Nothing has changed.
Re:GPL violations? (Score:1, Insightful)
ok, so... (Score:1, Insightful)
Now, lets say I write an email to you, and you think the email is funny, so you forward it to another friend. now guess what, I _own_ you, why? well because you just broke the law, and I could press charges against you for distributing my email (which to me is a valuable copyrighted item that I did not give you permission to distribute)
The above example is intended to demonstrate how fucking insane this law is. Please mod me up so ignorant people can see it ( i posted anon so i wouldnt whore the karma)
Re:Publishing v. private communications (Score:5, Insightful)
and when people "publish" it in an expose, they get to go to jail.
watch...it'll happen.
Berlusconi is a media baron. (Score:5, Insightful)
Oh, and he's being prosecuted for attempting to bribe a judge. He had a law passed which would give him immunity from prosecution while he was in office. It has since been overturned.
Did I forget to mention that he's the Prime Minister of Italy?
Re:At least the trains will run on time. (Score:4, Insightful)
Somewhere in Italy, the concept of "the punishment should fit the crime" just took a dump.
Re:Publishing v. private communications (Score:2, Insightful)
can i forward to 1 friend and still consider the material to be private communication?
how about 2 friends?
5 ? 80? im curious how you think legislation can fairly cover such a subjective area of interpratation
Re:Enforce it. (Score:5, Insightful)
Bogus arguments 101 (Score:3, Insightful)
entrapment! (Score:1, Insightful)
then, say i send that art of mine to a friend in italy. if he sends it to someone else without asking me first, are they both assumed guilty of this new law?
if so, someone could draw a farily funny comic, copyright it (put it on their page and hell, even have video of them drawing the original strip), and then email the strip to a few people... within a few days, if it's funny enough, so many people would have "illegally" send AND received copyrighted material without the author's consent, it could bring down, say, the entire senate?
also, it says "...caugh downloading..."
the possibilities are endless.
Re:over reaction (Score:1, Insightful)
So whose life am I endangering when I make a mix CD for a friend? And since when did you get the authority and/or wisdom to dictate my morals to me?
Overheard (Score:3, Insightful)
Inmate 1: "So what are you in here for?"
Inmate 2: "I was the CEO of a large media conglomerate. I masterminded a scandal which cheated millions of people out of their retirement servings. So I've gotta serve three years here in the slammer. And you?"
Inmate 1: "My little brother used my computer to download Crossroads. He's always had a crush on Britney Spears. Of course it was my application of eMule and I had no way to prove it wasn't me. The judge was having a bad day and nailed me with three years.
Inmate 2: "Damn...."
We draw lines with precedents (Score:5, Insightful)
There are no perfectly clean lines in life. Trying to demand that we have perfectly clean laws before we can exist is absurd. To a large extent, everything depends on intent.
If I dropped a piano from a fifth floor window and if falls on a passerby, that is manslaughter. If I wait for the ex to walk by, aim and cut the cord...it is murder. The difference between the two has very little to do with either the shape of the piano or the laws of gravity. The difference is intent, and we need courts to decide on intent. Generally intent is clear. Pointing a gun at a person and pulling a trigger is generally a good sign of intent of murder (but it could just mean stupidity). Under cooking eggs benedict and causing a person to die from food poisoning is more indicative of manslaughter, but if the courts find out I purposefully cultured salmonella for the eggs...then I am a murderer.
Emailing copies of an ebook to friends (so they won't have to pay for the book), there is clear intent on doing the copyright holder wrong.
mediocracy (Score:3, Insightful)
Shows what you know (Score:5, Insightful)
This is because you don't see the big picture. Speeding just kills or injures a few people now and then. File sharing, however, prevents the very rich from continuing to become a lot richer, which is clearly a much more evil offense.
A suggestion (Score:2, Insightful)
For example,
"Thinking of copying your friend's CD? Think again. According to the policies of [insert pol's name], copying without permission is worse than [manslaugter | embezzlement | whatever fits].
Re:RIAA Attacks Single Mom (Score:5, Insightful)
Re:Italian bootlegs (Score:3, Insightful)
I am not talking just abour principle: it's the logic that just fails victim to ignorance, superficiality, and sloppiness. It gets worse if you add Catholic and Marxist ideological fixations.
Plus, we have about 120,000 laws on the books - Germany has about 5,000. The result is a quagmire, with lots of laws not being enforced until someone in the judiciary, in some police force, or an enterprising lawyer for some slighted private interest wakes up one morning in the rigth mood.
According to the new decree, if a piece of freely distributable material, dl'ed from any server anywhere, is copyrighted but not accompanied by an authorization to download, you are in techical violation.
So, a copyrighted and GPL'ed piece of software is OK, but not if the GPL is not included.
On the other hand, for a violation to arise, two other confusingly described conditions are needed:
act must be carried out:
* for "non-personal use" of the material
* to obtain profit (intent, not result)
So, technically,
-if you dl a piece of GPL'ed software without the GPL, or a freely distributable proprietary SW without a notice allowing you to do so, AND you do so because you need it for work, it may be a violation
- if you get a GPL-less copy of nmap with the intent to crack something, but not to gain from it, it's legal.
It usually takes several years before the courts and the various ministries involved unravel the mess.
Re:Wrong (Score:1, Insightful)
Penalties For Copyright Infringment (Score:1, Insightful)
Re:This seems right at home (Score:4, Insightful)
Re:Enforce it. (Score:5, Insightful)
We have the highest prison population on Earth and not nearly the population of many other countries. That alone should tell us something is desperately wrong with the system. Yet people escalate further and create "expedited executions" in Texas and Florida. Rather than lock them up and rehabilitate them, we now just write them off entirely and kill them. How great! It's wrong for one man to kill another man but somehow right when 2 million kill one.
Re:Since this is Italy... (Score:1, Insightful)
Re:Publishing v. private communications (Score:3, Insightful)
Common sense, 99% of the time.
Think about it... if you see the full Spiderman2 movie on your favorite peer-to-peer network several weeks before the movie is even out in theatres, it's not that big a stretch to come up with the idea that this might be getting distributed without consent of the copyright holders.
Of course, the flip side of this is that if you are downloading something called "mary had a little lamb.mov", and it just so _happens_ to be the full Spiderman movie, depending on how good your lawyer is, you just might be able to get off on the principle that you didn't have enough information to have reasonably deduced before you downloaded that the information was copyrighted and being illegally distributed. But depending on the judge, you may find that isn't enough. After all, if you are using a filesharing network where the bulk of the shared information is being distributed without consent of the copyright holder, a critical judge may consider the idea that you could be so completely ignorant of the nature of the content you are downloading to be stretching the truth beyond credulity (especially if there are multiple infringements).
Bad headline (Score:3, Insightful)