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Intertrust Plans Universal DRM System 314

Rushmore and others wrote in with news that Intertrust, which has a large DRM patent portfolio, is planning a universal DRM scheme for consumer electronics.
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Intertrust Plans Universal DRM System

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  • *sigh* (Score:2, Interesting)

    by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday December 16, 2003 @06:10PM (#7739644)
    DRM is bad. Although it is effective at stopping pirates, it also hurts the people who want to legally use what they pay for. Everytime any attempt has been made to stop pirates, it has done nothing but hurt those who paided for it. Take iTunes: You can't take your music to platforms where iTunes doesn't exist. Take the bogus CD track on some music CDs: Couldn't play them in your PC, some CD players, some car CD players, etc.

    Although DRM will stop pirates, it stops legit users too.

    Fortress of Insanity [homeunix.org]
  • Universal = Better? (Score:5, Interesting)

    by geekychic ( 732496 ) on Tuesday December 16, 2003 @06:13PM (#7739673)
    For the company, doesn't diversity in standards actually help them protect their materials? It seems that having only one standard would just concentrate everyone's efforts on breaking it and therefore would get cracked faster.
  • Re:Stable Door... (Score:2, Interesting)

    by tr0p ( 728557 ) on Tuesday December 16, 2003 @06:26PM (#7739807) Homepage
    I don't think these top-heavy ad-hoc markets will add up to a "big brother internet". Who wants that? I don't think it can get that bad, but if something like the big brother net can happen by pulling the wool over everyone's eyes midswing through the information age then it was probably inevitable by nature. If it happens it will be because we are better off with it.

    Not even Intel, AMD, and Microsoft combined have the influence to "lock-in" everyone, I don't think its possible. Anybody here read Steven Johnson's "Emergence"? The system is most powerful when its run from the bottom up.

  • ok and not ok (Score:5, Interesting)

    by IGnatius T Foobar ( 4328 ) on Tuesday December 16, 2003 @06:33PM (#7739868) Homepage Journal
    From TFA:

    "The electronics industry recognizes that Microsoft is a formidable player, but consumer electronics makers do not want to become dependent on Microsoft. They need an interoperable and independent system," Peters said.

    DRM sucks, DRM is evil, DRM is the tool of terrorists, robber barons, and Republicans. That having been said, though ... I would much rather see a DRM standard that is vendor-neutral from a computer platform perspective, instead of Palladium Everywhere (also known as "Dystopia" to us Linux folks).

    Don't get me wrong, I'd prefer to see no DRM at all, and I intend to vote with my wallet as much as possible. But if DRM does happen anyway, I would have a very strong preference for Intertrust instead of Palladium. At least with Intertrust there's the possibility that some vendor will offer a Linux version of the protected player.
  • by rbird76 ( 688731 ) on Tuesday December 16, 2003 @06:52PM (#7740039)
    the only purpose of DRM (or at least the only purpose that is likely to work) to restrict the rights of users over the works they "purchase" and the machines they "own". Professional-grade copiers will crack DRMd works and sell them - preventing that from occurring is likely impossible. DRM is here to take users' fair use rights and give them (mostly) back to them, charging them for the privilege. That way, companies can make money while providing less of a product - the dream of corrupt, evil industries or regimes everywhere. No wonder they keep pushing it.
  • 2035: a reflection (Score:4, Interesting)

    by gillbates ( 106458 ) on Tuesday December 16, 2003 @07:09PM (#7740230) Homepage Journal

    The FBI stopped by to see me earlier this morning.

    Apparently, they found an unlicensed compiler on one of my student's computers. Copyright central has visited the campus on more than one occasion, so I expected this to be fairly routine. Far from it - for the better part of the morning, they questioned me about this kid's activities. Being a college professor, I couldn't tell them much. This was probably the first time that a student was glad his professor didn't pay more attention to him.

    I don't think he's been charged yet, but I was able to discover the nature of what he'll be charged with. The unlicensed compiler is problematic, though not technically illegal since it can't sign object code (illegally). Instead, he was found with a great deal of original material - some dating back 10 years or more - that was never registered with the copyright office. Some was on paper, but most of it was on disk. At a dollar per kB, he's looking at close to a million dollars in fines, not to mention a felony conviction.

    But I think that's the least of his worries. About 15 years ago, unlicensed media formats became illegal. In order to record music or video today, you must use one of the state-approved formats which incorporate DRM, and you have to digitally sign the file. Given that the encoders are patented and held by private companies, it's not surprising to learn that leasing a music encoder (just the softare!) costs about $50,000 per year. And after you are finished recording, a general distribution license costs another $50,000 per year. Writing your own encoder would land you in jail for creating a "circumvention device". Which is why anyone who owns a compiler is viewed with suspicion, even though such ownership is not strictly illegal.

    Apparently, this kid had a few mp3 files (illegal format), a few mp3 encoders (illegal tools - a felony), and a plethora of original content which hadn't been registered with Copyright Central. He's probably looking at about ten to fifteen years in jail, plus some pretty hefty fines.

  • by gcaseye6677 ( 694805 ) on Tuesday December 16, 2003 @07:24PM (#7740371)
    If Intertrust had played their cards right, they would have introduced a DRM standard as 'open' for all manufacturers to use, maybe even gotten it legislated into law, and then 5 years later sued for patent infringement. Since Intertrust is now owned by 2 big players in the electronics industry, this would give them one hell of an advantage over their competitors. Poor Intertrust, they really missed the boat on this one.
  • Re:Er, consumer? (Score:3, Interesting)

    by Dalcius ( 587481 ) on Tuesday December 16, 2003 @08:17PM (#7740775)
    > "DRM is an accelerator which will boost digital sales of media, because it will convince media companies their content is protected. It should not be a competitive weapon," he added.

    Err.... Last time I checked, sales were more dependant on the consumer than the peddler.


    It's companies that think like this that make small business possible. The stupid, lumbering companies who don't know their arse from a hole in the ground. The companies that have HR folks interview someone for job X who have never done job X but instead attempt to make up for it by asking meaningless, open-ended questions.

    The bigger a company gets, the more common the clueless, "well-rounded", ass-kissing employees become the norm, the type of employees that do things not because they enjoy them but to pump up their resume. Passion and specialization go out the window in favor of the clueless git who does what he's told. He did X to build up his resume because society said it would be a good idea. He'll treat his job the same way.

    Inside these companies, overhead goes through the roof, management grows exponentially to micromanage the clueless gits who have no independent thought and the company has to run its product with an iron fist to stay profitable.

    God bless human nature. Darwin, in some cases, is still shining through.
  • Re:sneaking it in (Score:3, Interesting)

    by laird ( 2705 ) <lairdp@gmail.TWAINcom minus author> on Tuesday December 16, 2003 @08:29PM (#7740857) Journal
    "iPod, iTunes, SD cards, Texas Instruments graphing calculators, game consoles, and so forth all have DRM. The items that don't forcefully use DRM are the ones that sell."

    Don't forget cell phones, most commercial videotapes, cable set top boxes, Palm Pilots, Newtons (ok, kinda dated), ...

    Most forms of "DRM" are fairly innocuous. For example, the "you can't beam this program to anybody else" flag on many commercial Palm programs isn't too unreasonable. And when the cable or satellite company scrambles their signal, or a commercial videotape can't be copied, people may complain (who wouldn't want free cable...), but most people see those measures as a fair way for the companies to keep from getting ripped off.

    When people say that they don't like DRM, what they're probably referring to are the complicated, annoying forms of lock-down, like Windows XP's registration process, or Windows Media, or Intuit's fiasco last year, that are complex, unusually restrictive, and annoying to deal with.

    This article didn't say where the group was on the DRM spectrum, from "copy protect bit" to FairPlay to WMA. So until we know a little more, it's premature (IMO) to get out the tinfoil hats.
  • Useful trick (Score:3, Interesting)

    by bstadil ( 7110 ) on Tuesday December 16, 2003 @08:48PM (#7740986) Homepage
    I agree. I use a little trick to get books cheap. Use Amazon Wishlist and wait.

    When I hear or read about a new book I think might be of interest I just add it to my wishlist. Then once a month I review my list and see what the Used / Almost New price has dropped to. Just Got Digital Biology [amazon.com] published in Jan 2001 for $3 rather than the original $25.

  • by hqm ( 49964 ) on Tuesday December 16, 2003 @09:02PM (#7741101)
    This was a very chilling scenario, thank you for painting it for us. Unless we watch ourselves, it *will* happen. The DMCA and "palladium" are
    like storm clouds gathering, and with all that technology for supressing the communication of data, it is not a question of 'if' but 'when' malevolent people will try to exert control over the population. They already are.
  • by Alsee ( 515537 ) on Tuesday December 16, 2003 @11:24PM (#7741941) Homepage
    The digital equivalent of building a shopping mall.

    No, they are trying to force Trusted Computing into every new computer and electronic device. They want to seize control of everything. Before you accuse me of being a paranoid loon, look at this:

    Richard Clarke
    Special Advisor to the President for Cyberspace Security
    March 16, 2002:
    "I think we need to decide that from now on IT security functionality will be built in to what we do, to the products that we bring to market." [bsa.org]
    "That in effect we are saying together, and you are saying as an IT industry, that from now on the default settings on all of our products as they come to market is for high security."
    "TCPA, the Trusted Computing Platform Alliance, is an example of bringing hardware and software manufacturers together. But TCPA is not enough."
    "I think we need to have operating systems and applications that incorporate security functionality into them."
    "It is not beyond the wit of this industry to figure out a way of forcing down patches"
    "ISPs and carriers can insist that when cable modems and DSL hookups are made, firewalls are installed. It is not enough for an ISP or carrier to say, oh, and by the way, you might want to think about a firewall."
    "So we have to defend our cyberspace. No one else will do it. America built cyberspace, and America must defend its cyberspace"


    The president's Internet advisor is calling for Trusted Computing to be built into ALL new computers and devices. Take special note of being able to FORCE down patches and for ISP's to INSISTING that firewalls be installed. Then look at this:

    Cisco NAC allows network access to compliant and trusted endpoint devices (PCs, servers, and PDAs, for example), and restricts the access of noncompliant devices. [cisco.com]

    Yes, Cisco just announced new routers to do exactly that. They can FORCE down patches and they can ENFORCE that you have an approved firewall (they can check for any sort of mandatory software). First the router checks if you are running a Trusted Computing system. Then the router uses Trusted Computing to check that you are running a firewall or any other software. Any non-Trusted Computer is denied internet access.

    And of course Intertrust's "Universal DRM System" runs on top of Trusted Computers. Encrypted data is "securely" moved from one Trusetd PC to another, or onto Trusted iPods and the like. Except you now no longer have any control over your own computer, you don't own your computer anymore. I have been reading the technical specifications - it's a %$@#!& evil system! If you don't "voluntarily" comply you will eventually be denied internet access. We are sill a few years away from that final step of univeral enforcment by ISP's - but at that point it's game over, everyone MUST submit.

    This isn't some friendly "mall" they are setting up. It's an attempt to ram-rod a DRM system into every electronic device and seize control of everything. It's a "Universal" system, remember?

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  • by Alsee ( 515537 ) on Tuesday December 16, 2003 @11:59PM (#7742161) Homepage
    e'll only have to crack it once and then we'll all be set. :)

    No, they want this new "Universal DRM System" to prevent exactly that.

    22. What's TORA BORA? [cam.ac.uk]
    This seems to have been an internal Microsoft joke: see the Palladium announcement. The idea is that `Trusted Operating Root Architecture' (Palladium) will stop the `Break Once Run Anywhere' attack

    The whole thing runs on top of Trusted Computing. They are pushing for this new "Universal DRM system" becuase it is very very different. You will no longer own your own computer or your own devices. They will have a "Trust" chips inside that guarantee them control.

    To "crack the system" you need to dig your own personal encryption key out of the chip soldered to your motherboard. Breif info on one such chip. [atmel.com] See page one "Physical security circuitry" and page 2 where it says "if it has been removed from the PC in any way and can also take actions internally"? That means chip is tamper resistant and programmed to wipe your key if it detects you trying to get at it.

    And lets say you do manage to dig out the key - every computer has a different key! If you dig out your key that only cracks that one machine. One key extracted, one PC liberated. The TORA BORA plan includes plans for "traitor tracing". If you aren't extremely carefull how you use that key they will detect it and revoke that key. Hell, they might even track you down and throw you in prison.

    And before people say they simply won't buy computers with these control chips built in I suggest they look at my other post here. [slashdot.org] In a few of years you may be denied internet access unless you submit.

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  • by Nucleon500 ( 628631 ) <tcfelker@example.com> on Wednesday December 17, 2003 @12:48AM (#7742450) Homepage
    To clarify, Apple has not shown that DRM sells better than no DRM. They've shown only that the RIAA demands DRM, even if the limits are nominal. (I believe the industry thinks of this as a first step towards more restrictions.) I think they've also shown that less DRM sells much better than more DRM. By extension, no DRM, if the industry would allow it, would sell even better.

    I share your hope that some iTunes-alike will convince the RIAA to allow unencumbered distribution. Wouldn't it be great if there were real competition, so a clueful content owner could step in and win by giving people what they want?

  • by Knetzar ( 698216 ) on Wednesday December 17, 2003 @06:34AM (#7743649)
    But if the DRM system has 1 flaw that they didn't think about, chances are over a few years someone will find it and exploit it tereby making everything that used that scheme useless.

    Also, what happens to your music when your computer dies? With music downloaded from ITunes can you buy a new computer and easily transfer your whole library of DRMed music to it and then trash (donate, use as door stop, etc) your old one? What if a hardware failure occures? Issues like these prevent me from buying ebooks with DRM, and will prob prevent me from buying anything with DRM.

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