Spammer Hangout's Membership Roster Left Exposed 691
MikeCapone writes "According to an article at Wired News, spammers feel the need to be part of a community too. The Bulk Club is one such community. A message on the site states that it offers, for a $20 monthly fee, a variety of how-to articles, spamming software, a members' message board area, and 300,000 FRESH e-mails/week. Unsurprisingly, the 'Law & Ethics' section is 'Members Only.' The good part is that, because of a glitch, the membership list of this charming organization was left exposed on the website."
Send them some mail (Score:5, Funny)
Re:Send them some mail (Score:3, Funny)
Re:Send them some mail (Score:4, Insightful)
Re:Send them some mail (Score:5, Funny)
HELO litigation
MAIL FROM: mike@michaelmoore.com
RCPT TO: spammer1@spamscum.com
RCPT TO: spammer2@spamscum.com
RCPT TO: spammerX@spamscum.com
DATA
From: Mike
To: Sleaze Buckets
Subject: Decrease your penis size
How would you like to buy some anti-spam software,
JACKASS???
.
Re:Send them some mail (Score:4, Insightful)
Re:Send them some mail (Score:5, Informative)
Re:Mailinator (Score:5, Interesting)
Re:Send them some mail (Score:4, Interesting)
Re:Send them some mail (Score:5, Interesting)
I was thinking a better approach would be to slip their email addresses into comments on a webpage. With the way my websites are set up, a change to one file would get the list sent out with each page on that site...it'd be trivial to include a block like this:
<!-- Spambots, chew on this:
...
foo@bar.com
joe@spammer.com
-->
Addresses in mailto links are obfuscated so that the spambots won't get them...these, of course, would be left alone.
Now...does anyone have the list of spammers extracted from this site? I found real names in an archive linked through the Wired article, but no email addresses. :-|
Re:Send them some mail (Score:3, Interesting)
yeah... that's it.
Re:Send them some mail (Score:5, Funny)
Terms of contract (Score:5, Interesting)
The Bulk Club does not promote any portion of this site via bulk email period. It is against our hosting providers terms of service to do so and we will not tolerate anyone who abuses these rules on our web site
How Ironic.
I have a solution (Score:5, Funny)
Make no mistake, my aim will prove true. I should have this whole "spam" ordeal cleared up by late September.
*as a side note, it wouldn't hurt to sign up and learn how your enemy thinks, and how he employs his tactics. Before you gun him down like a dog in the street, that is.
oops (Score:5, Funny)
Re:I have a solution (Score:5, Funny)
And your name is Mao, hm?
Hey, if they're the first people up against the wall when your revolution comes, sign me up! I'll even carry around a copy of your little red cook book!
Re:I have a solution (Score:5, Funny)
Re:I have a solution (Score:5, Funny)
REASON
version 1.0B7
Gatling.type 3.mm hypervelocity railgun system
Ng Security Industries, Inc.
PRERELEASE VERSION-NOT FOR FIELD USE
DO NOT TEST IN A POPULATED AREA
- ULTIMA RATIO REGUM-
Re:I have a solution (Score:5, Funny)
Wow, is that thing really made by General Electric [ge.com]?
Makes you wonder about the unspoken correlary to their motto, "we bring good things to life".
Re:I have a solution (Score:4, Funny)
Re:I have a solution (Score:4, Funny)
I'm not a doctor or a weapons expert but my thought is that a low caliber weapon would be more likely to result in a lingering belly wound and in the end isn't that what really matters?
Re:I have a solution (Score:3, Insightful)
Re:7.62??? Why not .50 caliber (Score:4, Informative)
Oh yes, you can: [world.guns.ru]
It fires 20 gramm (308 grains) tungsten dart (fleschette) with muzzle velocity of 1450 meters per second (4750 fps). At 1000 meters this projectile will penetrate a 40 mm of RHA (rollded homogenous steel armour) and will result in serious secondary fragmentation effect behind the armour. That said, it will penetrate two walls of any modern APC at one kilometer range. The trajectory is very flat and does not rise higher than 800 mm above the line of sight when fired to 1000 meters.
Re:Sadness: (Score:5, Funny)
Yeah, let's see if they can ROCKET JUMP.
hosting sites (Score:4, Interesting)
Re:hosting sites (Score:5, Informative)
Great quote: (Score:5, Informative)
What's the difference between these remarkle advertising vehicles? Don't be left without the proper knowledge when sending out your offering to the masses. Along with our other various How Tos, learn the difference before any mailing.
I have never felt so good to be part of the Slashdot effect.
BTW, as pointed to in the article, a list of members was posted to Usenet [google.com] w/a list of memberships. There was also a link to an archive of the contents of the site; here's a link:
http://jscript.dk/2003/8/thebulkclub.com.zip [jscript.dk]
and a mirror:
http://saintaardvarkthecarpeted.com/thebulkclub.co m/thebulkclub.com.zip [saintaardv...rpeted.com]
A list of the files in the archive can be found here:
http://saintaardvarkthecarpeted.com/thebulkclub.co m/contents.txt [saintaardv...rpeted.com]
Grab a copy and post your own links!
Re:Great quote: (Score:5, Funny)
Re:Great quote: (Score:3, Interesting)
"From ebulkemail@yahoo.com Sat Jul 08 22:45:07 2000
Received: from [208.198.227.115] by hotmail.com (3.2) with ESMTP id MHotMailBB315BF2000FD82197D9D0C6E3730D930; Sat Jul 08 22:43:18 2000
From: "Drew Auman"
To:
Subject: Hi
Mime-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
Date: Sun, 9 Jul 2000 01:37:09
Hello!
349 MILLION people online are awaiting your offer ! Check This Out !
Have you seen the new bulk email software? You DO NOT NEED anyone elses mail
server!!!
Wow, this guy gets better.... (Score:3, Funny)
Hey, friends, I've found this awesome GET RICH QUICK scheme that actually works and is legal. You might have thought that get rich quick schemes are all fake and in fact most of them are but there are a few that actually work and I'm lucky enough to have found one that has made me lots of money in no time at all. I'm sending this email 2 you as a friend 2 help you out in your financial problems and so more people can
What a disappointment: (Score:5, Funny)
Re:What a disappointment: (Score:5, Funny)
Re:What a disappointment: (Score:5, Funny)
bash-2.01 $ while [ true ] ; do wget -O - http://www.thebulkclub.com/benefits.asp > /dev/null ; done
Re:What a disappointment: (Score:5, Funny)
Re:What a disappointment: (Score:5, Funny)
Re:What a disappointment: (Score:4, Informative)
while [ true ] ; do wget -O - http://64.78.42.11/benefits.asp >
let the slashdotting continue
Re:What a disappointment: (Score:3)
Re:What a disappointment: (Score:3, Funny)
But we ALL know what you REALLY MEANT. You're just too shy to admit it, so I'll write it down for you:
Oh, it's better now. BTW, responsible people do not do:
And very responsible people don't even think about raising than 100 in an order of magnitude... that would be wrong!
Re:What a disappointment: (Score:5, Funny)
wget -r -nd --delete-after http://www.thebulkclub.com/
Because...most of them are restricted.... (Score:3, Funny)
while [ true ]; do wget -r -nd --user-agent=ALLYOURSPAMARESUCKY http://www.thebulkclub.com/benefits.asp >
Re:What a disappointment: (Score:5, Informative)
c=0; while true; do lynx -dump http://www.thebulkclub.com >/dev/null; c=`expr $c + 1`; echo $c; done
If you don't have Lynx installed either, try this:
c=0; while true; do (echo "GET / HTTP/1.0"; echo "") | nc www.thebulkclub.com 80 >/dev/null; c=`expr $c + 1`; echo $c; done
If you don't have netcat installed, what kind of l4m3r are you? :-)
Re:What a disappointment: (Score:4, Insightful)
Of course it would be wrong!
[ true ] returns 0 because true is indeed an existent argument to [. Which is really not the intended application of [. while true is much more to the point. while : makes you look even more savvy.
[Shakes head] Why not wget -O /dev/null URL ? Or better yet, curl -o /dev/null URL ?
Let's look at this again:
Ahh, much better!
Apache Benchmark (Score:4, Funny)
Re:What a disappointment: (Score:3, Funny)
Re:What a disappointment: (Score:4, Funny)
Haiku (Score:5, Funny)
Slow death too good for spammer
May spam penis shrink
Well now... (Score:3, Funny)
I wonder how the spammers feel now that their personal information and identity is being passed around the internet. I wonder if they are receiving "unsolicited" email.
Muhahahah...
Maybe it was not a glitch? (Score:3, Interesting)
2) wait for membership to build trust
3) "Accidentally" post membership on slashdot.
4) submit private e-mail addresses to other spammers.
5) repeat. no rest for the wicked.
but seriously, do you think that maybe these spammers are really sort of victims of a multi-level marketing scam themselves. "here for 300$ you can buy this software and a list of names that will get you started in the exciting field of spamming.
PLUS
you will own these lists and software with the righ
Re:Well now... (Score:3, Funny)
I'd be much happier if they were receiving "unsolicited" bullets through their windows.
Take a bite out of... (Score:3, Funny)
[The theme to Jaws starts playing]
Oh ho ho! (Score:3, Interesting)
Think about how many different ways this benefits email users around the world... We now have a portal into the world of these deviants (I love that word). Give me one address, just one address... They don't know what SPAM really is yet... Let alone the true meaning of
Seriously, I'm sure that atleast a few million people are going to have less spam tomorrow after this
Thank you Dr. Slashdot!
Re:Oh ho ho! (Score:5, Informative)
This is the jackass that runs the site bulkclub.com
Drew Auman
The Bulk Club LLC
3867 W. Market St #272
Akron, OH 44333
330-666-7625
Last known home address from yahoo people search (the phone number matches from the contact on a whois on the site registration info):
Drew Auman
113 Hunt Club Dr
Copley, OH 44321-2759
330-666-7625
That prefix is quite fitting don't you think?
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Re:Oh ho ho! (Score:5, Informative)
I'll reply to my own comment anonymously so as not to whore.
Auman's email contact for bulkmail.com is: aumaninc@hotmail.com
aumaninc@aol.com is the one listed with yahoo.
Re:Oh ho ho! (Score:3, Interesting)
Catalogs (Score:5, Informative)
113 Hunt Club Dr
Copley, OH 44321-2759
330-666-7625
Just to save you some time.. randomly pick a couple.. it only takes a couple minutes. And what better use of the
catalog request [google.ca]
Naughty! (Score:5, Funny)
Re:Naughty! (Score:5, Insightful)
e.g. having to shoot a person so that he doesn't shoot you.
"Turn the other cheek" doesn't cut it with certain types of enemies. They know this, and you know this.
delete button a few times? (Score:4, Interesting)
Spamming is theft, plain and simple.
Make money at home with your computer...sue spammers. [sexaffair.us]
Re:Naughty! (Score:4, Interesting)
I am just suggesting that by their methods to get in my inbox, they are not allowing me to make any progress against spam by "taking the high moral ground"/"taking it in the cornhole"
It'd be deliciously ironic if ... (Score:5, Funny)
Hypocrisy (Score:5, Funny)
The Bulk Club does not promote any portion of this site via bulk email period. It is against our hosting providers terms of service to do so and we will not tolerate anyone who abuses these rules on our web site.
The club for spammers hates spam???
I can see them rewriting that page now:- (Score:5, Funny)
FREE Autoresponder Companies YES
FREE Online Storage Companies YES
FREE URL Redirection Companies YES
FREE Web Templates YES
Able to withstand slashdotting NO
But hey! (Score:5, Funny)
*signs up his boss*
"Responsible" business practices (Score:5, Interesting)
In an e-mail interview, Auman said that the club was dedicated to promoting "responsible" business practices and that it offers information about misleading tactics used by some spammers simply to show why they are improper.
Now, I hate spam and spammers with a passion, but I must admit that the subject lines and stuff I've been getting recently are a lot more appropriate. At least the spam I get, they aren't trying to hide it anymore with stuff like "Re: Your bank account" or "Re: Tech support" and it's about debt management or a second mortgage or my wang. Too bad that their "responsible business practices" include articles about spoofing (probably about spoofing emails and forging headers) and harvesting emails ("opt-in" my ass).
But anyways... down to the real reason I posted. Did anybody manage to get any info about addresses, telephone numbers, etc? I have a baseball bat and some free time in the mornings before work... and late nights are free too! DId I mention I live in Florida, just like this guy:
Among the Bulk Club's list of 159 "active members" was Damon Decrescenzo, one of the operators of Rockin Time Holdings, a Florida junk e-mailer sued by Microsoft in June and by Amazon this month.
I have responsible business practices too! I am responsible for alot of death and destruction...
Spam Nazis (Score:5, Funny)
Funny how the transition from Neo-Nazi to Spammer doesn't seem like much of a jump...
Re:Spam Nazis (Score:4, Funny)
"I hate Spam Nazis."
Shhhhhh. (Score:5, Funny)
Cool (Score:2)
The membership list only has names, but no doubt a bunch of them can be traced to single spammers.
There is the downside of not knowing which are real spammers and which are just working to become spammers, but both are pretty bad.
One of the members appears twice. I wonder if they double-paid.
Bah (Score:2)
Re:Bah (Score:5, Informative)
How generous... (Score:3, Interesting)
Wow, I'm glad that they are so fair minded and humanitarian as to only be here for me. In that case, please STOP BEING PART OF THE PROBLEM.
It's only the second day of the month and my spam filter reports I've already received 75 spams wasting half a megabyte of my ISP's bandwidth. For anyone interested, my ISP has a great spam filtering service; I hardly ever actually get any spams falling through to my in box. You can check it out at this URL: https://www.mailarmory.com/
I was refreshing about 100 times a second when... (Score:5, Funny)
"The Bulk Club Mailing List
Join our mailing list for FREE!
Bulk Email Industry News Alerts
Free Tips & Tricks
Updated Bulk Club News
and more..."
Now how stupid do they think we are?
But I've already got that list... (Score:4, Funny)
what to do (Score:3, Funny)
hanging's too good for em,
they should be chopped up into itty bitty peices and burried alive!!
Why don't we just throw "spam" at their houses till the give up? I'm sure the hot florida/california sun will make a great smelling house
My spam solution (Score:4, Interesting)
To enforce industry responsability do a national "must include" list.
Liccens spammers AND every spammer must be on the must include list AND spam to everyone on the must include list.
Here is where the fun begins.
Also on the must include list are spam scounts that track the latest spam to update spam filters.
But it get's better.
Also added to the list is fedral observers who check up to be sure all spam is being sent to the must spam list.
As a member of the must spam list you can opt out IF the spammer honnors the opt out system. Of course opt out to be required.
Fedral agents will randomly test opt outs, randomly test the list.
and the e-mail address given for the "must spam" list must be actively read by the spammer. A fedral agent will occasionally contact the spammer at the address to be sure the spammer is still reading his e-mail if not he must pay a hefty fine and repeated offenses msy cost him his liccesn.
This should inspire spammers to police themselfs quite well and do something about the worst spam tactics.
Has Slashdot finally matured? (Score:3, Insightful)
Whois Search (Score:3, Informative)
Organization:
The Bulk Club LLC
The Bulk Club LLC The Bulk Club LLC
3867 W. Market St #272
Akron, OH 44333
US
Phone: 330-666-7625
Email: aumaninc@hotmail.com
Registrar Name....: Register.com
Registrar Whois...: whois.register.com
Registrar Homepage: http://www.register.com
Domain Name: THEBULKCLUB.COM
Created on..............: Thu, Aug 29, 2002
Expires on..............: Sun, Aug 29, 2004
Record last updated on..: Tue, Aug 26, 2003
Administrative Contact, Technical Contact, Zone Contact:
The Bulk Club LLC
The Bulk Club LLC The Bulk Club LLC
3867 W. Market St #272
Akron, OH 44333
US
Phone: 330-666-7625
Email: aumaninc@hotmail.com
Domain servers in listed order:
NS2.ITBRAZIL.COM - 216.162.103.31
NS0000.4AMDNS.COM - 202.54.192.205
NS5.4AMDNS.COM - 203.199.113.19
Re:Whois Search (Score:4, Funny)
Before you go off all half cocked (Score:5, Interesting)
Seriously - to help eliminate the innocent bystander from the spammer who needs to be whacked , start by sending an e-mail.
To: Direct Marketing Vendor
From: Important Sounding Title
cc: legal@fakedomain.com
Dear Sir,
I need you to help me kick off my marketing campaign by sending my message out to 31 million targeted clients. I will pay you 150,000 USD for this service. If you are interested, then please send your company name, a contact name, phone number and address so that I can have a contract drawn up. We will also need to have the name of your bank, and the address of the branch that you use for our contract as well. Please no account numbers, we only need to get the bank name and branch!
Sincerely,
bigcheese@fakedomain.com
Important Sounding Title Goes here
Wait for reply - post reply to slashdot/usenet/etc
include all e-mail headers and or phone
conversations
Constantly remind people that
A. No one will protect your from these spammers
B. No one will help you pay for the damages they cause.
C. No one will give you back the time that SPAM has wasted in your life.
Show up at the eventual fire with a can of gasoline.
Now go off half cocked, see if I care!
Sue Slashdot! (Score:4, Funny)
Who will pay me for the time slashdot has wasted in my life?
I'm suprised it's so active (Score:5, Funny)
Comment removed (Score:3, Informative)
Give me an inch and I'll take a mile... (Score:5, Informative)
Seems I accidentally dropped a link... No what can we do to slashd- I mean 'fix' that?
Speaking of Spam (Score:4, Interesting)
Whois (Score:3, Funny)
Hit 'em where it hurts (Score:4, Informative)
If they can't just point and click there will be a lot less spammers just trying to make a quick buck.
Terrorist Cell (Score:3, Insightful)
Ironically, I'd argue that more people are terrorized by spam.
Ouch (Score:3, Funny)
Off to start my own business: Auto-Wank, the sucker for suckers!
Major assignment for the year (Score:5, Funny)
Bingo! A gaggle of spammers exposed to the public eye! I start scrolling through the discussion, my heart filled with glee at the wizard japes my fellow
Bzzzt! All that's there is several variations on a wget script, pointers to a few last-known home addresses, pointers to lists of users etc. All good, solid work, but nothing that's going to get you bonus marks.
Students, here's your work assignment for the next 30 minutes: I want to see Slashdot subjects like "Their hosting service has now lost power", "Just sent 50 tonnes of dung to this guy's home address", "Just ordered 5000 pizzas sent to this guy's house", "Server is now engulfed in flame - I've seen it!", "This guy's credit history has now been destroyed", "Hosting computer room now under 18 inches of water", and so on.
This assignment will form a SIGNIFICANT component of your end-of-year grade. Any references supplied will be checked; photographic evidence should be supplied where available.
Thanks for your attention, and good luck in your endeavours
Amazing. (Score:3, Funny)
If I send a million mails for something that I make a 50 dollar markup on, I'm instantly 250k richer, in thier "worst" scenario!
If I send the mail to a billion people instead, then I just made enough money so my great-great-great-great grandkids can retire.
If I send it to 100 BILLION email addresses, then hey - I'm one of the richest men in the world. In fact, I may just generate a few hundred billion email addresses on this box right here, and send them all a mail.
See you, suckers - I'm off to spam my way to the top!
new page for them (Score:3, Funny)
Their site seems to be kaput. How said.
Oh well, we all know they'll reconstitute themselves like the amoebas they are.
Let's offer them a new home page for next time around.
They can just feel free to save that as their index.html if they want. :-)
Re:If SPAM is so bad.. (Score:5, Interesting)
A company like Symantec can easily say 'my gosh, I can't believe it. we'll talk to our vendor right away.' vendor says 'we had no idea out sub contractor was a spam supporter - we've terminated our relationship with them' and no one has dirty hands.
Re:The disturbing thing is... (Score:3, Informative)
Never measure one's decency based solely on an expression of their emotions. Imagine PETA frowning over use of the term "I'm so hungry I could eat a horse."
Re:The disturbing thing is... (Score:3, Insightful)
Re:The disturbing thing is... (Score:5, Insightful)
Regardless,
I beg your pardon?
This is the Network that belongs to the People. These are the people that are abusing the network.
I don't have a sense of decency when it comes to dirty, nasty, polluters that break laws or attempt to break laws.
If it had been a list of alcoholics or political dissidents no one would have any business posting their names anywhere. This is a list of people who can each be charged with trespassing or attempted trespassing, and our government refuses to charge them with these crimes. Now I'm not saying I'M going to go vigilanti on their collective ass, but I'm more than willing to turn a blind eye to anyone who does.
Re:The disturbing thing is... (Score:5, Interesting)
War fought in this way on these grounds is justified, yet I may still feel a little guilty when I look at their (servers') smoking remains.
I hate people like this all the more because they give me only two choices: lose, or denigrate myself and win.
I hope this explains a little better why people here hate spammers SO MUCH.
(unless I've been trolled
Sure, spammers are jerks... (Score:5, Insightful)
A spammer is someone who comes to your house every day and rings the doorbell every 37 seconds. He makes it difficult for you to go outside because when you do, he'll pin advertisements for Viagra and get-rich-quick schemes all over your clothes. After a while, your mail carrier may not even show up at your house, for fear of this miscreant.
Spammers hide behind legalities, but they are profoundly immoral, in the sense that they don't give a damn about what their actions do to the larger community. The irony is that they are busy bringing down the very edifice that allows them to conduct these activities.
Alchoholics are sick people who can be cured.
Political dissidents may have views I disagree with, but they're not forcing me to listen to them.
Spammers are just people who don't give a damn about anyone else, and are willing to make money off of crippling a mechanism that millions of people depend on every day.
Re:The disturbing thing is... (Score:5, Interesting)
These people aren't political dissidents. They're criminals, and they're perpetrating crimes against ME! Furthermore, the data is a list of the members of a willful collusion. The very fact that they're on this list defines that they are actively, and deliberately trying to commit crimes against me and others.
It's not a level playing field. I'd have sympathy for AA members, even if some of them had caused harm by drunk driving. I have no sympathy for people who gather to discuss and plan how best to commit crimes. I would have no sympathy for an online thieves guild (real thieves, not for games), or a collection of pedophiles who are trying to legitimise their actions.
How much do you pay per month for your internet access? ~30% of that is because of spammers. If you're paying $30/month, then every year you have had $120 stolen from your person by these people.
Do we provide safe harbor to unrepentant criminals? Not in my house, and not on my internet!
Re:The disturbing thing is... (Score:5, Insightful)
Yes they ARE! Clearly, using an open mail relay is theft, no matter how irresponsible the mail admin is (and this is still how most spam gets sent today). However, even if they're not...
Your ISP is paying real amounts of money for bandwidth. Not dial-up or DSL connections, but really big pipes that they share amongst their subscribers. They're also paying for disk space to store their customers' mail.
Now if spam takes up 20% of their bandwidth and 40% of their mail spooler's disk space before they have an opportunity to filter it, who do you think pays for it?
You do. And I do. Our monthly costs are in effect renting a tiny fragment of the resources of the internet, and roughly a third of the internet is now spam. (email and newsgroups, which translates to bandwidth, time, computing power, and storage)
Spammers do NOT pay for their bandwidth! If they did, then spam wouldn't be a problem.
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