Lobbyists Urge South Australia To Drop Open Source Bill 248
Red Wolf writes "The Age reports that South Australia has caused eyebrows at the Initiative for Software Choice (ISC) to be raised in concern, with the organisation writing to Premier Mike Rann over a proposed Open Source software bill. The ISC, by its own definition, is a "global coalition of large and small companies committed to advancing the concept that multiple competing software markets should be allowed to develop and flourish unimpeded by government preference or mandate"."
Re:The GPL: Intellectual Property or Intellectual (Score:2, Informative)
1. The Linux kernel does support Token Ring, it was probably disabled on your distro for some reason.
2. ext2 does not need defragmentation.
3. Your lawyer is an idiot. You only need to release source code under the GPL if you are releasing the binaries; if it was a purely internal development then the source can be kept private. Secondly the GCC license does not and never has said that everything compiled with GCC must be open source.
I say again, your legal beagal is an idiot. He did not actually read the GPL, he just pontificated on something he did not understand. Because of that you have wasted a lot of time and effort doing something unnecessary.
Re:The GPL: Intellectual Property or Intellectual (Score:2, Informative)
Compiling software with gcc does not require you to release your software under the GPL.
If you are developing 'in-house' and are not releasing your software you do not need to release the source code.
If you use someone else's code, of course you have to comply with their licence. If that is the GPL and you want to sell your code as well as their code I should think you would have to release it.
If you incorporated a piece of Windows's code into your application, do you not think that you would have to comply with Microsoft's licence???
Linux has had Token Ring support for a long time; this looks like more FUDing and Trolling.
Ext2 is a well written filesystem and does not require constant defragging like Microsoft's filesystems do. This is lack of knowledge on your own part. I have a number of file and database servers running ext2 and ext3 that have been up for a number of years, while being heavily used and still only have 3 to 6% fragmentation.
Sorry to all others for responding to such an obvious Troll; however some fool had moderated it up.
Re:The GPL: Intellectual Property or Intellectual (Score:4, Informative)
Always ask your lawyer before you sign the deal. Besides, "making the changes freely available" means giving people the source code if you give them the binaries. You don't have to give the binaries or source to anyone except the investment firm. The GPL also makes it clear that you and the investment firm can separately agree that they will not redistribute the binaries or code.
Replace your lawyer--he can't read. The GPL does not require you to license things under the GPL simply because they were compiled with gcc.
If you don't believe me, read it [gnu.org] yourself.
And stop trolling.
Re:Initiative for Software Choice? (Score:5, Informative)
It says that if OSS is not practicable for whatever reason, don't use it. But it must be given a fair go.
Nothing wrong with that. Not prejudiced to either side (open or closed) in my view.
Re:Initiative for Software Choice? (Score:5, Informative)
The lobby group consists of these people [softwarechoice.org].
It's the usual suspects (MS included). A bill which requires Open Source to be considered will harm their business model. Therefore it must be stopped. Note that the bill doesn't prevent the use of proprietary software, it merely requires people who procure software for the public sector to consider open source. That sounds like software choice to me.
Re:Initiative for Software Choice? (Score:5, Informative)
See Bruce Perens' article MS 'Software Choice' scheme a clever fraud [theregister.co.uk] for a reasoned demolition of their stance.
Text of the proposed bill / legislation (Score:5, Informative)
''The article doesn't detail the intricacies of the law...''
No need to guess about the bill - here's the text of the proposed legislation. See the bold text for the important part:
[BIL148-A.LCA]
[Advance (1)]
South Australia
[Prepared by the Parliamentary Counsel on the instructions of the Hon. I. Gilfillan, M.L.C.]
STATE SUPPLY (PROCUREMENT OF SOFTWARE) AMENDMENT
BILL 2003
A BILL FOR
An Act to amend the State Supply Act 1985.
[OPC-LC]
Contents
Part 1â"Preliminary
1. Short title
2. Amendment provisions
Part 2â"Amendment of State Supply Act 1985
3. Insertion of Part 3A
Part 3Aâ"Special provisions relating to supply operations of public authorities
17A. Principle applying to the procurement of computer software
The Parliament of South Australia enacts as follows:
Part 1â"Preliminary
Short title
1. This Act may be cited as the State Supply (Procurement of Software) Amendment Act 2003.
Amendment provisions
2. In this Act, a provision under a heading referring to the amendment of a specified Act amends the Act so specified.
Part 2â"Amendment of State Supply Act 1985
Insertion of Part 3A
3. After Part 3 insert:
Part 3Aâ"Special provisions relating to supply operations of public authorities
Principle applying to the procurement of computer software
17A. (1) A public authority must, in making a decision about the procurement of computer software for its operations, have regard to the principle that, wherever practicable, a public authority should use open source software in preference to proprietary software.
(2) In this sectionâ"
"distribute" means distribute for free or on payment of the reasonable costs of distribution;
"open source software" means computer software the subject of a licence granting a person a rightâ"
(a) without any limitation or restriction, to use the software for any purpose; and
(b) without any limitation or restriction, to make copies of the software for any purpose; and
(c) without any limitation or restriction, to access or modify the source code of the software for any purpose; and
(d) without payment of a royalty or other fee, to distribute copies ofâ"
(i) the software (including as a component of an aggregate distribution containing computer software from several different sources); or
(ii) a derived or modified form of the software, (whether in compiled form or in the form of source code), under the same terms as the licence applying to the software;
"proprietary software" means computer software that is not open source software.
PRINTED UNDER THE AUTHORITY OF THE GOVERNMENT PRINTER
Re:I wonder (Score:5, Informative)
EDS's revenues in the SA State Government Cotnract would be impacted by an open source direction , as EDS derives revenue both from selling software and hardware to the government, as well as supporting the systems.
As EDS is a major sized player, one of the ways they derive revenue is by screwing commercial developers down on price, and then selling to their customers at as high a price they can get away with.
Extensive use of OSS/Free software would impact this because they would have reduced capability to pad their revenue.
Be Pro-Active (Score:3, Informative)
http://www.sa.alp.org.au/people/people.html?sea
The Premiers email address.
mailto:ramsay@parliament.sa.gov.au
Mod this up quicksmart
How do geeks lobby? (Score:3, Informative)
Is there anyway we could get a good speaker that is sort of local to go talk to some of the more undecided politicians? Maybe Rusty or Tridge? These two bring money into Australia and some of that can be directly tracked to South Australia.
LinuxSA [linuxsa.org.au] has a bit more on the propsed law.
This law will get passed if the local goverment understands that supporting open souce does being in people all over the world through things like linux.conf.au [linux.org.au].
Re:Few Things (Score:1, Informative)
The Bill is being addressed to Mr President because it has been put introduced to the Upper House of the SA parliament (like the US or Australian senate).
Re:Few Things (Score:2, Informative)
Thanks for clearing that up for me.