More on Oregon and GPS-tracked Gas Taxes 773
An anonymous reader writes "Wired has an update on Oregon's proposed replacement for their gas tax. Currently two candidates are in development, the first a GPS based system that tracks where a car goes to determine the number of miles driven. The other is a odometer-like device. Both would transmit the data to base stations periodically to determine the tax on a vehicle. There was a previous slashdot article."
Similiar system for trucks in Switzerland (Score:2, Informative)
Hrshgn
No Retrofitting! (Score:2, Informative)
Re:Doesn't make sense to me (Score:5, Informative)
That's a bit easier in Oregon than you might think. Oregon gas stations are all full service. You do not pump your own gas there. Anywhere in the whole State.
Re:This is Crap (Score:3, Informative)
Except GPS is far too inaccurate for this. Say I'm driving on a stacked road (surface street underneath an expressway) how will it know where I am so it can know which speed limit I should be observing. I'd hate to get a ticket for driving 55 on a different plane above a 25.
Re:Doesn't make sense to me (Score:1, Informative)
Oregonians enjoy big brother. The passed a law recently allowing any CHP officer to search your car with or without probable cause just to be on the safe side. This is yet another stab at our rights to privacy and freedom. And Oregonians just love it. Imagine how futuristic Oregon would be if they had all their vehicles tracked via GPS. There would be an extremely fair gas tax levied across the state. And nobody would miss their privacy, afterall, they're just Oregonians.
Re:Too easy to cheat (Score:4, Informative)
The do not. On the Taurus, for example, pulling the whole unit out is no big job. And most chrysler vehicles can have the odometer set to any value you want with a laptop, a DOS program, and a conector.
There's a place 5 blocks from where I live, that's all they do all day. Strange thing, in Canada, it's a weights-and-measures act offense ($50.00 fine, no criminal record), not a criminal code offense. Fucking stooopid uf you ask me.
Yes (Score:4, Informative)
As the other poster said, you can see which lane you used on the highway. I can tell if I'm in my front or back yard.
Re:Doesn't make sense to me (Score:4, Informative)
And according to experts around the world, you'd be wrong.
Actually, when designing a roadway, both of these vehicles would be neglected, as their axle weights will cause an insignificant amout of roadway damage when compared to heavy trucks.
But, if we really wanted to take these vehicles into account...
Ford Expedition - Axle weight: 2634 lbs
Volvo S40/V40 - Axle weight: 1615 lbs
For simplicity, let's round these numbers to make the Expedition heavier (r 3000lbs), and the Volvo lighter (r 1000lbs).
Using the Asphalt Institute's (AASHTO uses AI EALFs) Equivalent Axle Load Factors (EALF, damage caused to an asphalt roadway, compared to that caused by a single 18,000lb axle), we can determine the Equivalent Single Axle Loads (ESALs).
1000 lbs - 0.00002 EALF
3000 lbs - 0.00018 EALF
Thus, 167 Volvos would cause 0.00668 ESALs worth of damage (167 Volvos * 2 Axles each * 0.00002 EALF), while the one Expedition would cause 0.00036 ESALs worth (1 Expedition * 2 Axles * 0.00018 EALF).
Thus the age old question is answered, even while skewing the problem against the Expedition, 167 Volvos are more damaging to roadways then a single Expedition. (Concrete roadways will reflect similar, but not the same, damge trends.)
BTW, IAATE (Transportation Engineer).