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Lawrence Lessig's Personal Past and Supreme Court Future 136

Slyfox writes "Ever wonder how Lawrence Lessig became one of the most notable figures in the fight over free speech and intellectual property on the internet? Wired has an excellent article about Lawrence Lessig's life; it beginings with his start as a right-wing Republican, and continues by following the events of his life through law school, contributing to the Microsoft anti-trust case, and becoming a top cyberlaw expert. The article describes both his successes and failures, and it forshadows Lessig's biggest challenge yet: arguing Eldred v. Ashcroft before the US Supreme Court in October."
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Lawrence Lessig's Personal Past and Supreme Court Future

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  • by Xtifr ( 1323 ) on Thursday September 19, 2002 @01:18AM (#4286814) Homepage
    There is no way the Supreme Court will award this one to the plaintiff (Eldred). The Constitution implies a sort of limit on copyright, but unfortunately it is totally ambiguous.

    Did you read the article? That isn't the basis for this case.

    From the article:

    "But how would he frame it? The obvious way was to say that with its most recent extension, Congress had finally gone beyond any reasonable interpretation of what the framers could have meant by "limited." That approach hadn't worked in the past, so Lessig constructed a different argument. In Article 1, Section 8, the founding fathers not only instructed Congress what to do regarding copyright -- secure "for limited times to authors and inventors the exclusive right to their respective writings and discoveries" -- but also stated why they should do it ("to promote the progress of science and useful arts"). Of course, Lessig's complaint includes the idea that Congress' continual extensions make a mockery of the word "limited" (one professor called it perpetual ownership "on the installment plan"). But the main thrust of Lessig's argument rests on the fact that, as with previous extensions, the Copyright Term Extension Act not only grants new copyright holders a longer term of exclusivity, it grandfathers in previous works. A retroactive extension of copyright clearly violates the Constitution."

    (Emphasis mine.)

    If the argument were as doomed as you say, then I think it's unlikely the Supremes would have even agreed to hear the case in the first place. I agree that it still doesn't seem too likely to win, but I think it's a tad more plausible than you suggest. As it says, your approach has failed in the past, but that's why they're not using your approach.
  • Read the Brief (Score:4, Informative)

    by unsinged int ( 561600 ) on Thursday September 19, 2002 @02:32AM (#4287055)
    If you thought the profile of Larry was interesting, I'd encourage you to read the brief (PDF) [harvard.edu] he filed for the Eldred case. IANAL so I at first thought I wouldn't understand it and almost didn't read it, but eventually I did about a month ago. It is very clear. Extraordinarily clear.

    It's also interesting to read the opposing brief (PDF) [harvard.edu].

    Good luck Larry.
  • by Flamerule ( 467257 ) on Thursday September 19, 2002 @03:39AM (#4287235)
    The family was churchgoing, law-abiding, and above all, faithful to the Grand Old Party. "I grew up a right-wing lunatic Republican," says Lessig.
    [emphasis added]
    Yes.
  • Incomplete Picture (Score:4, Informative)

    by Artagel ( 114272 ) on Thursday September 19, 2002 @10:37AM (#4288664) Homepage
    The article is at best an incomplete picture of Professor Lessig. While it is framed to show the roots of where he ended up, it could have been different.

    Professor Lessig's primary interest, at least initially, was constitutional law. Actually, that makes the Eldred case a good case for him. If you read the briefs [findlaw.com] you will see that the parties are not especially approaching the case as a "cyberlaw" case.

    I don't think the scope of his interest has been limited to being a great niche legal thinker. He wants to be broad, but is going to ride this particular wave for what it is worth. The article does do a good job of explaining why Lessig is important to a particular non-legal community now, and taken for that, it is nice.
  • by PainKilleR-CE ( 597083 ) on Thursday September 19, 2002 @10:48AM (#4288753)
    How does copyright stomp on my freedom of speech?

    It abridges your right to perform copyrighted material (songs and plays for instance), to reproduce a copyrighted work in another form (freedom of press and possibly speech), and so on. The article points out that Disney used a great deal of public domain literature as the basis for some of it's most profitable works (and let's not forget the music in Fantasia), yet none of Disney's work has gone to public domain despite the long timeframe since their original creator's death (never mind the time from creation). What someone might have done with that work we'll most likely never know, though returning the copyright terms to their previous state will at least allow people to utilize those works that were about to lose their copyright protection when the law was passed.

    They point out quite a few good examples, such as publishing public domain texts online, which if not a form of speech is most likely a form of press in which the retroactive nature of the law forced people to stop work that they had already begun in anticipation of those pieces going into the public domain.
  • by Artagel ( 114272 ) on Thursday September 19, 2002 @12:24PM (#4289612) Homepage
    There is another view. It goes like this:

    The Congress is supposed to interpret the Constitution before it passes a law, and adhere to the Constitution as Congress views it. Many senators and representatives ignore this role, and abdicate in favor of the Supreme Court. Perhaps because it is politically inconvenience (e.g. campaign finance reform).

    The President is supposed to interpret the Constitution when he decides to sign a bill or enforce a law. Therefore, he can even stop unconstitional laws that have been passed before from working, and stop new ones from happening. No president (more accurately, Attorney General) attempted to enforce the law that attempted to overthrow the Miranda decision. That was an executive decision.

    The Supreme Court (and other courts) interprets the Constitution in the cases before it. The fact that the other branches can be brought before the Supreme Court by others does not take away the Supreme Court's oath to protect the Constitution of the United States of America.

    And the Supreme Court is right because they are last, not last because they are right. Lincoln wanted to keep the issues raised in the Dred Scott case alive, and keep presenting them to the Supreme Court to attempt to force a reversal. Supreme Court reversals of position are not common, but they do happen. Nobody should consider issues "over" because of one decision.
  • by PainKilleR-CE ( 597083 ) on Thursday September 19, 2002 @02:18PM (#4290946)
    It gets a little trickier when we consider "Hunchback" ... V. Hugo wasn't that long ago, but it is pretty clear that that stuff belongs in the public domain. I'm just not sure yet about Mickey & Donald.

    Certainly copyrights can't be *forever*. But I do suggest people are making too much of this Disney business.


    The vast majority of Disney's movies are on controlled release schedules, often not available for up to 20 years at a time. Some people consider this a good thing, but ultimately it's just a company milking old material for all it's worth (or more than it's worth if you really think about it). In fact, much of what Disney's done in my lifetime has simply been rehashing old characters for new series/movies. Is it really any different because Disney's doing it than if someone else was doing it? It's not like the original creators of most of these characters are still there.
  • by hubie ( 108345 ) on Thursday September 19, 2002 @02:23PM (#4291006)
    As another example that the Supreme Court doesn't necessarily have the last word: in the 1830's the Cherokees successfully challenged the State of Georgia in the Supreme Court regarding the Indian Removal Act. The Supreme Court ruled in favor of the Cherokees, but President Jackson moved them out anyway.

    The fameous Jackson quote went something like: "John Marshall [the Chief Justice] has made his decision; let him enforce it now if he can."

  • by satch89450 ( 186046 ) on Thursday September 19, 2002 @08:02PM (#4293830) Homepage

    In reading the opposing (government) brief, I found this interesting point: the CITA was designed to harmonize US Copyright with international copyright. Going back to the original establishment of Federal copyright, the original intent was to unify copyright among the States and common law. The CITA could be argued to continue the tradition by having the United States participate in a world-wide unification of copyright. This means that a content creator would not have to worry as much about the differences between US and European copyright.

    Not exactly "something for nothing."

    Also, these thoughts are a little late for the government to include in its argument to the court, so I don't feel as though I'm hurting that anti-CITA efforts by discussing them here.

  • by Happy go Lucky ( 127957 ) on Thursday September 19, 2002 @08:56PM (#4294127)
    As I understand it, one of the more important pieces of information considered in constitutionality cases like this is the "intent of the signers"---why it is that those guys wrote what they wrote. In this case, copyright- & patent-granting powers were given to the Congress "to promote the progress of science and useful arts".

    To a greater or lesser degree. It's a concept called "original intent" and there's actually some controversy about how broadly it should be applied.

    The conventional wisdom is that conservatives (US definition) tend to favor a greater weight to original intent than do liberals. Personally, I think it's usually more likely to be advocates of judicial restraint who advocate the greater weight for original intent, while advocates of judicial activism (AKA "legislating from the bench") tend to not like anything that would constrain what they could do. But I digress...

    At any rate, that's why legislators often put in a section in new acts which goes "The legislature of the State of Colorado finds..." so that an OI-favoring court will have some guidance. The line in the Constitution about promoting useful arts and sciences is exactly that kind of statement. It helps to understand the original purpose of Congress' power to establish a system of copyrights.

    That being said, whether 17 years or 30 years or creator's-life-plus-seventy-years is the best length for promoting useful arts and sciences seems to me to be a question of fact, rather than a question of law. Traditionally, in systems derived from the English Common Law (UK, NZ, AU, and the entire US except for Louisiana state courts), juries decided questions of fact at the trial level and appellate courts were loath to touch questions of fact. If that's the operative question in Eldred v. Ashcroft, then the Supremes already threw me a curve ball by granting cert at all.

    It seems to me that Lessig may want to try the Kitchen Sink theory of litigating: Brief everything but the kitchen sink. Then brief the kitchen sink. Retroactive changes to copyright terms could be construed as being ex post facto legislation (strictly forbidden by the Constitution) but for all I know that point has already been litigated and lost. IANAL either.

  • by May Kasahara ( 606310 ) on Thursday September 19, 2002 @09:29PM (#4294318) Journal
    I read it, and although it was indeed well-written, there was a very large factual error. As even the most casual animation history buff would know, Steamboat Willie was NOT the first Mickey Mouse cartoon; rather, it was the first Mickey short-- and the first American cartoon ever-- with synchronized sound. Steamboat Willie is the third Mickey film; the two silent ones that came before it were Plane Crazy and Gallopin' Gaucho.

    The article does point out-- correctly-- that Disney's lobbying for copyright extentions has a lot to do with the Steamboat Willie and a many other early shorts. Willie stands out because of it's historical signifigance (all the more reason for it to enter public domain, IMHO), but it's often misquoted as being the first "Mickey". I hope Lessig doesn't use this misquote in his case against the Supreme Court. I'm all for the idea of copyright, but the lengthening of copyright extentions to protect such documents has gotten way out of hand. Obviously, this issue has been discussed in the animation industry for years, and there are many animators-- both working and retired, corporate and indie-- who are against the Copyright Term Extention Act, simply because it is detrimental to the cause of film preservation. Disney is supposed to have an incredibly well-maintained archive, but there are many, many non-Disney motion pictures that are deteriorating due to their owners' negligence.

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