Deutsche Bahn to Sue Google 526
Many readers including this Anonymous Coward have written about this case: "After the DB-Deutsche Bahn (German railway comp.) won a case against Dutch ISP xs4all to remove 2 articles that were hosted on one of their servers, the DB now is going to sue Google (Wednesday) and probably in 2 days time Yahoo! and Altavista. Infoworld has an article about it. More background information about previous attempts to censor the same site can be found here and here's list of mirrors." And Yes, "Access is Forbidden."
Google Cache of Broken Link (Score:5, Informative)
Not the cache. (Score:5, Informative)
Its not *their* site they want removing.
Re:What were the articles about? (Score:2, Informative)
Contents (Score:2, Informative)
In the UK, the train movements from power stations etc. are available and are on regular schedules. The security around them isn't very high, but then the flask the material is carried in weighs quite a few tons, is solid steel, and you'd need an extremely expensive facility just to open it again.
Re:subsidiaries (Score:3, Informative)
Re:Lawsuit? (Score:3, Informative)
From someone intimately involved.. (Score:5, Informative)
I was asked to take a look at the portion of the site relating to my companies products (which was a guide on how to sabotage them to disrupt train services), and essentially the most elegant intructions given were "Pry the cover off, bash the insides to pieces with a rock, and/or fill it up with dirt/glue/etc".
This was only a few weeks ago too, and this is the first I've heard of any action the DB has taken, but I am quite impressed at the speed at which this has progressed.
(Details have been left vague to give me some semblance of anonyminity, protect my job, etc)
Re:subsidiaries (Score:2, Informative)
The really funny thing is that this is all documented very well in any number of books at your local public library, like The Running Man [wikipedia.com] (for the crashing) and various other true and fictional books to describe how to do the hijacking itself. The average American has seen plenty of movies that involve airplane hijackings; figuring out how to do it yourself (note: this is not something I'm advocating here) would not be that difficult. Especially if you don't even use guns to do it.
In the U.S. you can still buy The Anarchist's Cookbook [fortunecity.com] even! But you may have to go to court to defend that right, just like xs4all is in this case. So there is no absolute freedom of speech without at least the money to back it up.
Freenet (Score:1, Informative)
Just toss the document into Freenet and publish
its key on the website.
free speech is in the german consitution (Score:4, Informative)
Translation from: http://www.lib.byu.edu/~rdh/eurodocs/germ/ggeng.h
Why the freespeech in germany isn't as free as in the USA is because of the second part. Most of the restrictions of the free speech are because the content of the speech is against the constiution.
Re:More proof that there is NO perfect country (Score:2, Informative)
At the moment there are 27 ammendments with some VERY important ones further down the list. For example, the 15th Ammendment gave all citizens the right to vote regardless of race or color.
It just seems that the First, Second, and Fourth are the ones most commonly under attack in the United States (see sig). It doesn't mean that they get priority over other ammendments.
-S
Re:More proof that there is NO perfect country (Score:3, Informative)
Read Article 5 Section 2 here [uni-wuerzburg.de]. Rather pulls the "free" out of "free speech" doesn't it?
Re:Am I the only one who sees a problem here? (Score:1, Informative)
and archive.org too? (Score:1, Informative)
*sigh* .. not the wrong "Fire" in theater argument (Score:4, Informative)
That is a fallacious argument. You might want to read this to see why.
http://216.239.39.100/search?q=cache:www.fatalbli
They want to block the radikal pages at the provid (Score:2, Informative)
today I had a phone talk with Christian Schreyer, the legal advisor of Deutsche Bahn.
Deutsche Bahn will sue all, who create a mirror of this pages; if it's not possible sue them (e.g. free speech laws in the US or whatelse), they want to block the pages at the german access providers: There is a filter system [odem.org] in development, which will be able to block all unwanted URLs.
The stalking-horse to establish these filter system (called "Filterpilot"), which uses a combination of routing and transparent proxying, are nazi websites. Denying holocaust is illegal in germany and there is a wide front against nazis; they use this to establish filterpilot at all border gateways.
The district government of Düsseldorf, which is the outrider in the case of net censorship in germany, sais: "If we want to prohibit milk drinking, we have first test this with two milk bottles."
It is naive to think, that "Filterpilot" will remain in Germany. It's a commercial development and not only in germany there are lot if interested organisations in such a filter: remember MPAA, IPFI, Scientology,
At ODEM [odem.org] we have a petition against provider side filter systems. Please support us and sign [odem.org] the Declaration for freedom of information in the internet [odem.org].
High quality archived version of site (Score:2, Informative)
http://web.archive.org/web/20020208065004/http:
The Internet Archive also has past versions:
http://web.archive.org/web/*/http://www.xs4all.
The main page for the Internet Archive's multi-year web collection is web.archive.org
--Pat