Google Publicizes DMCA Takedowns 396
dmarti writes "In an apparent response to criticism of its handling of a threatening letter from a Church of Scientology lawyer, the popular search engine Google has begun to make so-called "takedown" letters public. DMCA-censored pages are now two clicks and a cut-and-paste away from the regular search results."
About time... (Score:2, Interesting)
first result when search google for 'DMCA' is... (Score:4, Interesting)
Go Oogle! (Score:5, Interesting)
It's now number 2 in the rankings [google.com] which is 3 spots higher than a few weeks ago so perhaps this small form of protest is also working!
Scientology pays for sponsored link on google (Score:1, Interesting)
I applaud Google for posting the letters, since posting them might piss off a source of revenue, I would applaud them even more if they would refuse to take CoS money - after all it comes from the wallets of the brainwashed.
Re:Soo.... (Score:5, Interesting)
That makes the DCMA warning letter itself a sort of circumvention device.
Ahhhhh, sweet irony...
What about searches coming from Canada? (Score:5, Interesting)
It works, but who the hell searches like that? (Score:5, Interesting)
I don't think many people are going to see these DMCA notifications, because I don't think that many people search this way. If they know a given site has information on a topic, most of them go straight to the site, don't they?
Slashdot caching web sites? (Score:2, Interesting)
I'm sure there's some legal worries, but google has found a way around them.
The definition of Service Provider in this case.. (Score:3, Interesting)
Question: What defines a service provider under section 512 of the Digital Millenium Copyright Act (DMCA)?
Answer: A service provider is defined as "an entity offering transmission, routing, or providing connections for digital online communications, between or among points specified by a user, of material of the user's choosing, without modification to the content of the material as sent or received" or "a provider of online services or network access, or the operator of facilities thereof." [512(k)(1)(A-B)]
/*Snipped rest for bandwidth*/
While I clearly understand the spirit of the law in this case is to define that the media content is unaltered, this actually reads as the the data transmission is unaltered to me. If this is the case, then it stands to reason that any alteration to the data from the time it leaves the originating server until it is received and rendered by the end-user, would nullify this argument.
While I realize that the spirit is clear, lawyers seem to concern themselves with the letter of the law, as it's easier to exploit than a Win98 box on a cable modem. Thusly, if I am interpreting this correctly, it stands to reason that inline packet alteration would make this definition null and void. Such packet alteration as the NAT from the inside network to the internet-routeable IP, QOS policies, or even VTP/VLAN/Trunking headers being added/stripped during LAN traversal would mar the integrity of the original data packet. Just for fun you could throw in TTL decrementing, MTU packet split, etc...
Just a thought.
Simply Brilliant (Score:3, Interesting)
Simply Brilliant
They might as well put the URL of the "banned" site in neon letters.
If you are doing a search for a topic like Scientology, you are probably going to pay attention to these takedown letters with more interest than your "sanitized" search results.
Being listed on a posted takedown notice will probably drive more traffic to the site.
Re:Let me browse SlashDot with a delay (Score:4, Interesting)
The ranking system for stories should prevent modding for say, three hours, so all the really good comments could have fair play for Karma, as well as just good visibility.
It would also tend to depreciate the short "no-brainers" everyone posts in sort of a FP, but semi-thoughtout mentality.
I can't monitor
To recap, prevent moderation on a new story for at least 3 hours after it appears.
I've got some other good ideas at least IMHO too, but I can't remeber them right now.
Cheers!
Hint.. (Score:3, Interesting)
DOH! Crossposted! (Score:3, Interesting)
*www.fernandez-diaz-law.com is the URL on his card
Re:Go Oogle! (Score:1, Interesting)
Re:Agreed (Score:3, Interesting)
I can think of one thing that would be better. If they would also create Google page listing ALL takedowns due to DMCA. It could be on their about [google.com] page.
Sir, I've copyrighted that murder. (Score:3, Interesting)
By calling up copyrights on all of these documents (take a look at things like dead agenting, the big 'enemies' list, and the infamous 'fair play' directive, all of which are in the DMCA-letter here [chillingeffects.org]) they are legitimizing them, and declaring them official Church of Scientology documents. Which is all fine and dandy, of course, except that these documents include directives to commit illegal activities. Even if they can obscure cases of actual crimes, these documents still prove them guilty of conspiracy. And I bet there's probably something in that spiffy new Patriot Act, at the very least, dealing with conspiracies...
Re:DOH! Crossposted! (Score:4, Interesting)
The Senate passed it 99-0. [senate.gov]
The House held a voice vote, near as I can tell. My search [loc.gov] ("digital millennium copyright" in the Word/Phrase search field) returned:
A search [house.gov] of the House site [house.gov] found no recorded vote on H.R.2281. So apparantly both stories are true: It was a voice vote, but the Senate recorded theirs.Re:The Article (Score:3, Interesting)
These letters can provide proof to the new people who joined scientology (before they are brainwashed) that the Co$ is indeed a ufo cult. Thank you Korbin for providing the proof proof that you are indeed a UFO cult, as well as the copyright number that was granted for OTIII. Also thanks for providing the proof of "dead agenting" and other practices of your cult.
You gotta love it when the Co$ lawyers only end up adding credibility to the critics claims by documenting that they are indeed Co$ doctrine, and citing the source of the doctrine.
Re:Will google ever get into real trouble? (Score:2, Interesting)
2) we can still search if google goes away...
3) um...i think this is a repeat.
Point is, google isn't forever either. I would support them, I think they are great stuff...if they got sued I'd hate whoever sued them, just like I hate the RIAA for napster. Do I buy CD's now?
The power of napster's public backing was not that the people would pay the court fees. it's that Napster pulled a hydra and grew some new heads, there are a million now and napster isn't even dead yet. The Point is that people HATE the RIAA now, they know that such a thing exists and that this RIAA thing took away their free music. Sales of music was up during hte time Napster was up. Now sales are down. I submit this to anyone who wants to repeat the error of the RIAA: napster cost them nothing, and it was _absolutely_ free promotion, but they killed it and made a reputation for being jerks...
I've brought this up to people. The now know. it's truth - it spreads, and the more CoS blows its horn the more people hear of its evil. *shrug* its' their funeral.
Scientology's Next Step... (Score:1, Interesting)
Notice of Infringement of DMCA:
Dear xxxxxxxxxxx:
I am writing to you regarding a new matter that has been brought to my attention by my clients. In this particular matter our office represents Religious Technology Center ("RTC") and Bridge Publications, Inc. ("BPI").
It is well known that chillingeffects.org is an online-rights-and-attemps-of-violation-thereof directory that links users to an online location. Pursuant to its Terms of Service, chillingeffects.org doesn't prohibit the use of its service to link to web sites which contain infringing material, but we'll get you anyway. I refer you to 17 U.S.C. 512(d) of the DMCA which provides that an internet service provider is protected from liability.
Currently, chillingeffects.org is providing a link to a web page which contains a letter we sent containing a list of links to literally hundreds of our clients' copyrighted works and federally registered trademarks. This web site is "www.xenu.net." This particular web site, "www.xenu.net", has been removed five times by well known internet service providers here in the United States for the precise copyright and trademark infringements of which I am notifying chillingeffects.org.
I have a good faith belief, and in fact Xenu himself told me, that the posting of these works was not authorized by my clients, any agent of my clients, or the law.
Sincerely,
Dewey, Cheatem, and Howe
Lawyers
Los Angeles, California
Tel: (123)456-7890
Fax: (123)456-7891
For the paranoid, note that this is only a spoof of the original letter [chillingeffects.org] :).
this begs the question (Score:3, Interesting)
Re:Take out an AD! (Score:2, Interesting)
Buying ads for sites that tell the other side of the Scientology story is a great idea. Problem is - Google won't let you.
I've had ads for both [scientology-lies.com] my sites [truthabout...tology.com] rejected by Google because they claim the sites "advocate against an individual, group, or organization." (IMHO, the latter does not.) I've logged our correspondence [scientology-lies.com] on my site, although there's a new development I haven't had time to add yet - the current link to Scientology's bogus "drug-free" site [drugfreelife.net] advocates against psychiatrists, effectively calling them drug pushers, but Google doesn't consider that to be in violation of their unposted, arbitrarily applied policy.
I'm still a fan of Google, and I'm really pleased they've put up the DMCA notices (and submitted them to the Chilling Effects Clearinghouse [chillingeffects.org], which also has a recent Scientology letter to yours truly) ... but the way they're rejecting certain types of ads really troubles me. It makes it harder for Googlers to see both sides of an issue.
Re: Hint... (Score:2, Interesting)
ABC Television has shown how easily and quickly several hundred people's votes can be tallied; it's been used so select winning videos on "America's Funniest Home Videos" and indicate the crowd's desired response to questions on "Who Wants to be a Millionaire." Install the same equipment in the House and Senate, and votes should be taken much more quickly than they are now. I'm not familiar with how electronic votes are taken now, but the few I've seen on C-SPAN usually take at least 5 minutes, often 10 or more.
Of course this won't happen barring a constitutional amendment; obviously the politicians will keep their freedom to lie to their constituents as to how they voted on a bill by hiding it behind a voice vote. However, I think that this increasing tendancy of legislators to lie about their political actions is a very troubling sign that the U.S. Congress seems to be in the process of turing their country into a Communist state, where decisions are made in closed-door meetings that benefit only those behind those doors and where the governed people have virtually no ability to even observe, let alone change, how their government operates.
I think that the people really need to put Congress back under the control of not just the public as a whole but also the two other branches of government. It's pretty clear that the courts are under-equipped to preserve liberty under an increasing onslaught of legislation that have to enforce. The Presidency held its own against Congress (being commander-in-chief of the worlds most powerful army is useful for that), but I could see that situation change as well if Congress continues to abuse its power of the nation's wallet, the President's power can be eroded as well, leaving the country with a political situation not unlike that of China and pre-1991 Russia.
And don't believe it can't happen. Massachusetts offers a pretty good lesson as to what can happen when the legislative branch is allowed to effectively chop off the balls of the executive and judicial systems. The state now is effectively run by two dictators who have prevented governors from advancing any significant political initiatives since 1995. The last two governors got so frustrated with the legislature who continually prevented gubernatorial bills from even being debated and overriding vetoes that they both resigned to pursue federal positions. (No comment on Jane Swift.
For American Slashdotters, I think it's high time we go back to reading Article V of the Constitution and start trying to check Congress by creating amendments using the other method of proposing them: state legislatures. No federal constituitional covention has ever ocurred since the current Constitution was ratified in 1788. It's going to take quite a long time to get 34 state legislatures concerned enough over an issue to call for amendments in a way that bypasses the U.S. Congress. But unless this happens in the next 10 to 20 years to try to check the burgeoning power of the U.S. Congress, I'm afraid the years of the U.S. as a republic are nearing their end. The content of the DMCA and the sleazy manner in which is was enacted shows just how broken our political system is now and underscores the fact that we need to try to get everybody we possibly can, not just a couple of those who work in a white building with a big dome on top of it in Washington D.C., to understand and eventually accept these concerns over individual rights, or we'll continue to lose our rights at an accelerating rate in the years ahead.