Google Publicizes DMCA Takedowns 396
dmarti writes "In an apparent response to criticism of its handling of a threatening letter from a Church of Scientology lawyer, the popular search engine Google has begun to make so-called "takedown" letters public. DMCA-censored pages are now two clicks and a cut-and-paste away from the regular search results."
The Article (Score:5, Informative)
Attention DMCA lawyers: Try to remove a web site from Google's index and you'll probably just make it more popular.
In an apparent response to criticism of its handling of a threatening letter from a Church of Scientology lawyer, the popular search engine Google has begun to make so-called "takedown" letters public. DMCA-censored pages are now two clicks and a cut-and-paste away from the regular search results.
The full text of two new letters to Google, dated April 9 and 10, already appears on the free speech site chillingeffects.org. "I think it's great that they're calling attention to the way the takedown provision can be used to compromise their search results," said Wendy Seltzer, Fellow of Berkman Center for Internet & Society at Harvard Law School and co-founder of chillngeffects.org.
Google is still choosing to take advantage of the Safe Harbor provision of the Digital Millennium Copyright Act, which allows web sites to escape liability for copyright infringement if they take pages down in response to properly formed letters.
In a controversial move last month, Google pulled all pages from the anti-Scientology site xenu.net then restored the site's home page amid Internet outcry, just as Linux Journal readers were on their way to visit Google in person to ask for help finding censored pages about the alien warlord Xenu who is a key figure in Scientology's creation legend.
Only the name and telephone number of the attorney who wrote the letters have been removed from the copies on chillingeffects.org. Both of the new letters originate from the Los Angeles law firm of Moxon & Kobrin, where attorney Helena Kobrin has long been Scientology's standard-bearer against church critics on the newsgroup alt.religion.scientology and other online fora. Kobrin was not immediately available for comment
The letters are also linked to directly from Google search results. When results would have included a DMCA-censored page, the results page now includes a link to the takedown letter that resulted in the page being removed. A search this morning for site:xenu.net scientology produced the message:
"In response to a complaint we received under the Digital Millennium Copyright Act, we have removed 8 result(s) from this page. If you wish, you may read the DMCA complaint for these removed results."
Failing to act in response to a DMCA takedown letter is not against the law. "They can always choose not to take advantage of the safe harbor," Seltzer said. However, only by complying with the letter and taking pages out of their index can Google escape a possible copyright infringement lawsuit.
Finally, Google has expanded its DMCA page to include instructions for Counter Notification under the DMCA. A webmaster who believes that a non-infringing page is being unfairly censored can write the proper legal incantations and have the page put back into the index.
Google is then required to forward this Counter Notification to the original notifier, and then put the page back in the index "not less than 10 or more than 14" days after Google receives the Counter Notification. If your site is pulled out of Google and you're confused, chillingeffects.org has a web form that will generate a correctly formed Counter Notification.
clueless... (Score:5, Informative)
I mean come on.. google creates a crawler that goes out and finds stuff, they list on their site what they find, and now clueless morons want to make them responsible for having links to that information?????
Security through obscurity.. yeah.. that'll keep em out!
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Letters online at chillingeffects.org (Score:3, Informative)
What a bunch of goobers...
Re:clueless... (Score:2, Informative)
It's not the links that makes people mad. It's the cache.
Read the complaints made to Google (Score:5, Informative)
1) Complaint #2 -- April 9 [chillingeffects.org]
2) Complaint #3 -- April 10 [chillingeffects.org]
And more importantly, go Google for publicizing the links! Yet another reason why Google is the best search engine around.
hahahaha (Score:3, Informative)
first linux journal goes down, (Score:3, Informative)
Re:It doesn't work. (Score:5, Informative)
That's because there is plenty of material at Xenu.net about Scientology that doesn't infringe and wasn't taken down. That, and you did the query wrong. It's "site:xenu.net scientology" to find all pages mentioning Scientology at Xenu.net. Your query turns up mostly other sites and Usenet posts where people are writing ABOUT the Xenu/Scientology battles.
Now that you've got the query right, look at the bottom of the search results list. There's the DMCA takedown notice, with links to the complaints.
Re:What about searches coming from Canada? (Score:3, Informative)
-ryan
Re:Will google ever get into real trouble? (Score:3, Informative)
As for delinking by the author's request/demand, I imagine its a process they deal with daily. They have a straightforward method for removing links, and respond quickly the one time a stray link resulted in them caching files I didn't want them to.
-Restil
Re:clueless... (Score:5, Informative)
Thank God they still can't hide their voting record, but they sure try to obscure it, with bills and amendments named the exact opposite of what they do. My favorite example: the "Privacy Act" of 1974 requires banks to keep a photocopy of every check you write. How this protects my privacy is beyond me, but would you want to hear that your Senator voted against the "Privacy Act"?
Re:It doesn't work. (Score:3, Informative)
Google Query [google.com] here ya go. The DMCA notice is at the bottom of the page.
-ryanRe:Will google ever get into real trouble? (Score:3, Informative)
Re:Scientology sucks! (Score:3, Informative)
Unlikely; the post office probably just threw it away [straightdope.com].
Re:clueless... (Score:2, Informative)
It's not the links that makes people mad. It's the cache.
I don't want Google to keep a cached version of my page. [google.com]
Re:Hmmmm DMCA madness (Score:5, Informative)
Sadly, 2 judges on a 3 judge panel agreed with the SBCC, and I don't know what happened after that.
Re:Hint.. (Score:3, Informative)
In the House, however (HR.2281), it appears [loc.gov] that it was put up for unanimous consent, and there is no record, but basically that means that you can assume that everyone voted for it.
Another thing Google has done (Score:5, Informative)
The reason for this is simple: Scientology's DMCA attack generated such a tremendous amount of press concerning xenu.net [xenu.net] that this resulted in it being highly linked from pages that are themselves highly ranked, therefore causing it to be more important in Google's PageRank system.
This now-obsolete page of mine [operatingthetan.com] explains the spam strategy the effectiveness of which has been destroyed by Scientology's stupidity.
Sometimes, indeed, stupidity is its own reward. Scientology: making idiots from the bottom up.
Re:Hint.. (Score:3, Informative)
105th Congress, H.R. 2281 [loc.gov]
Click on "Bill Summary & Status File"... then "All Bill Summary & Status Info"
8/4/1998 2:26pm:
On motion to suspend the rules and pass the bill, as amended Agreed to by voice vote.
Actually, a voice vote is the "normal method". The voices are cast, the chair takes an opinion (Of course, this opinion need not be based on the voices in the house he hears, though usually the chairperson will.) If there is any objection, an electronic vote is taken (roll call vote).
Watch C-SPAN. It can be interesting. For about 5 minutes.
Re:The Article (Score:5, Informative)
Oh, you mean these?
Ava Paquette
Moxon & Kobrin
3055 Wilshire Boulevard
Suite 900
Los Angeles, California 90010
Tel: (213) 487-4468
Fax: (213) 487-5385
Yes this is kinda of topic... (Score:3, Informative)
Well, anyway I just wanted to add my support for a google icon.
Re:Scientology sucks! (Score:3, Informative)
I do agree, in principle, that people have a right to practice their religion, whatever that might be. I have respect for all of the faiths - Christian, Jewish, Islam - all varieties.
But Scientology isn't a religion - it's a con, a scam, a fraud. It's not about spiritual matters, but all about extracting the maximum dollars from it's convert dupes, giving them _nothing_ of any spiritual value, filling their heads with garbage, leaving them the same as before, only poorer. Scientology scammers should be hunted down like rabid dogs.
Praise be to Google (Score:4, Informative)
Now that they've done it, I take back any negative thing I may have said. Google has once again confirmed my faith that they are one of the few "good guys" left here in the Valley.
Praise be to Google
Re: Reference to the voice vote (Score:4, Informative)
Re:Another thing Google has done (Score:3, Informative)
correct link [google.com] - quickly glancing over the results, the top 10 hits include 3 hits which are blatantly ani-scientology, and one which is more or less neutral.
Re:clueless... (Score:2, Informative)
Other statements not directly related to the debate on a bill appear in the back of the Record under extensions of remarks; except for Senators statements which appear at the end of the Senate section of the Record and are marked by a bullet point. A parenthetical somewhere in the record indicates that these statements were not made on the floor.
Re:Go Oogle! (Score:2, Informative)
Sort of. The thing is though, you have to put the word Scientology [xenu.net] in the link. That way Google will increase the weight of associating the word Scientology [xenu.net] with http://www.xenu.net/ [xenu.net]. I'm running that link on the bottom of about 2400 distinct pages. Hopefully that added to the weighting. It's also in every .sig of mine on slashdot as shown below.
Helpful (Score:3, Informative)
http://images.chillingeffects.org/notices/232-x
http://www.chillingeffects.org/admin/link.cgi?c
http://www.chillingeffects.org/admin/link.cgi?c
Maybe this DCMA ain't so bad after all...
Re:Go Oogle! (Score:3, Informative)