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Borland Backs Down 224

Posted by timothy
from the oh-ok-you're-only-entering-my-business dept.
Danborg writes: "Borland has backed down from its horrible Kylix/JBuilder license after all the bad press they received on Slashdot and Freshmeat. You may now all resume using Kylix and/or JBuilder. Seriously though, it's good to see a company respond to the voices of the online community, and admit it made a mistake. Good job Borland."
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Borland Backs Down

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  • by NevDull (170554) on Wednesday January 16, 2002 @09:39AM (#2847678) Homepage Journal
    I don't understand why this was presented as backing down as opposed to a mistake as to which license gets associated with which product.

    There's no reason not to believe them that this was an error and had not reflected a conscious effort to change licenses on individual instances.
  • by Howie (4244) <howieNO@SPAMthingy.com> on Wednesday January 16, 2002 @09:49AM (#2847715) Homepage Journal
    It doesn't mention which bits they are intending to change... I wonder if the 'not produce competing products' part is included?

    Currently, you couldn't legally use C++ Builder or Delphi/Kylix to write a database engine or an IDE, as I understand it...
  • If I were an enterprise volume customer, I would consider the terms of that licesnes to be onerous. Those terms are just wrong no matter who you are. A software license forcing you to submit to binding arbitration and random audits?! What a ridiculous thing. Next thing you know, cleaning product manufacturers will be coming with detailed sets of instructions and licenses requiring you to pay to have someone look over your shoulder to make sure you follow them whenever they like.

  • Cookup or Malice (Score:2, Insightful)

    by ThePilgrim (456341) on Wednesday January 16, 2002 @09:53AM (#2847734) Homepage
    Several ppl have posted comments that Borland placed this licence deliberatly, in order to test the water.

    I would like to remind them of this:-

    Never attribute to Malice what can be attributed to Incompitence

  • by f00zbll (526151) on Wednesday January 16, 2002 @10:00AM (#2847761)
    Having worked a few lawyers in the past for things like press releases, terms of service and other related legal bs, I'm guessing laziness. There are plenty of good lawyers, but often things like writing boilerplate stuff is cut/paste jobs. In a lawyer's mind (the ones I've met), it was the very last thing on their list of priorities.

    Typically, it is up to the staff to catch those mistakes and argue with the staff lawyer to make sure it applies to situation. That rarely happens for a lot of reasons. Often I would get press releases for 5a.m. the next morning at 7a.m. the day of.

    How in the world are developers, staff writers supposed to read it thoroughly? They can't. The mentality of the lawyers I've met is "be more restrictive" and ease up if people complain vs "be less restrictive." It's good the community spoke up and complained. That's part of the natural process. If all licenses were not restrictive, how would lawyers make a living or warrant their services :)

  • by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday January 16, 2002 @10:19AM (#2847822)

    Right, my point exactly. The article sounds self-congratulatory as if "look what we were able to do." It says "after all the bad press they received on Slashdot and Freshmeat" as if they were the only ones. I wouldn't have a problem with it if it said LIKE slashdot and freshmeat.
  • by warpSpeed (67927) <slashdot@fredcom.com> on Wednesday January 16, 2002 @10:28AM (#2847850) Homepage Journal
    Seriously though, it's good to see a company respond to the voices of the online community, and admit it made a mistake. Good job Borland."

    They should have known how bad this was before publishing the EULA, especially since they are trying to court the open source fanatics of the world (I count myself in among that group)

    They are no Microsoft, they cannot afford to be. They need all of us to combat MS business tactics.

    They are in some dire need of bitch slapping, not praise.

    ~Sean

  • by arkanes (521690) <arkanes@g[ ]l.com ['mai' in gap]> on Wednesday January 16, 2002 @10:54AM (#2847968) Homepage
    The only kind I could see having any legal standing at all would be the click-through kind, where you have to read and agree to enter the site. Otherwise it's a fairly obvious entrapment kinda thing - "By reading this post, you agree to remit $1 in payment to me, the poster, by 01/27/02..." etc.

  • by BreakWindows (442819) on Wednesday January 16, 2002 @12:00PM (#2848288) Homepage
    http://www.borland.com [borland.com]

    This post is officially a circumvention device, in violation of the DMCA, since I have made easily accessible the copyrighted content to a large audience against their "copy protection", with that hyperlink.

    Now does everyone see the problem with legalese?
  • what a coincidence (Score:2, Insightful)

    by Reziac (43301) on Wednesday January 16, 2002 @01:14PM (#2848820) Homepage Journal
    As I'm reading this comment page, what arrives in my mailbox? "Borland Community News". I kid you not.

    It includes this passage (quoted under the Doctrine of Fair Use :)

    "Whew! What a year!

    "What does it all mean? I think it means that despite the economic downturn that swept through the country in the aftermath of the September 11 attacks, despite the "burst" of the Internet bubble, a company can succeed by delivering great technology and paying attention to what developers need and want."

    All together now: WE WANT THE GOOD OLD NO-NONSENSE LICENSE AGREEMENT, APPLIED AT EVERY LEVEL FROM HOBBYIST CODER TO ENTERPRISE DEVELOPER!! (Damn, that was loud!)

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