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SONICblue Sues TiVo for Patent Infringement 159

SVDave writes "Yesterday, Slashdot reported that SONICblue was going to start negotiating patent licensing with TiVo. It appears that SONICblue has switched strategies: today they've decided to sue TiVo for patent infringement. Given TiVo's patents on PVR technology, I would expect a quick countersuit, though SONICblue claims that ReplayTV does not infringe on any of TiVo's patents."
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SONICblue Sues TiVo for Patent Infringement

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  • by caferace ( 442 ) on Thursday December 13, 2001 @06:31AM (#2698107) Homepage
    First off, it's only logical to vilify the PTO. There is no doubt they (in general) cannot get their act together.

    Reflect on this though, and try and keep it in mind when we as a collective group bitch and moan so loudly about software patents.

    Typically, at the date a patent is applied for, most of what we consider "prior art" is pretty much bleeding ege and below your general radar. The fact of the matter is that in early R&D phases, many small companies may be working on very similar ideas. I've worked for several of these over the years, and while some had patentable ideas, most didn't bother and simply forged ahead to get the product out the door and into the public hands. From a consumers point of view, that is great! From a companies CFO standpoint? Oh shit.

    Anyhow, I'm rambling again. This is a fight in which it seems prudent to take a side. In this case, I only see one champion, and that is TiVo. They cooperate with the hacking community, they use our favorite OS. They don't hide behind a veil of invulnerability (far from it) snd seem to be able to straddle the fence between commercial interests and the public good.

    I'm backing TiVo.

  • by Platinum Dragon ( 34829 ) on Thursday December 13, 2001 @07:21AM (#2698172) Journal
    TiVo and SONICBlue both holding patents on parts of PVR technology... reading the synopsis, I immediately thought of this post [slashdot.org] from a story on Macromedia and Adobe getting involved in a patent fight [slashdot.org]:

    "I gained a friend in a the large company that I worked for legal dept... Basically the story went like this, when we are sued we look at their portfolio of patents, then look at our portfolio of patents that we have that might cause their products to infringe... Which ever pile is taller gets paid royalties by the other company. That is a defensive patent."

    At the time, I called it one of the "stupidest things I've ever read." Now we get something even stupider; patent fights over parts of the same aggregation of technology that is a PVR.

    There are two ways for this to end; either both sides kiss, make up, and milk future PVR manufacturers for massive licensing fees, or the resulting patent apocalypse wipes out at least one combatant, severely harms another, and helps to stall future innovation in home video storage technology.
  • by hairyian ( 540318 ) <sd@ w u g g y .org> on Thursday December 13, 2001 @09:36AM (#2698378) Homepage
    IANAL and very far from being one, but...

    In UK patent law there is an 'obviousness' clause - if a patent claim is obvious to a reasonable proportion of people trained in a suitable field then it doesn't stand as a patent claim.

    I'd argue that the major patents these two organisations are trying to bandy about are obvious not only to softies, or people who work on digtal video or the TV industry, but obvious to pretty much everyone with an IQ over 110.

    US patent law doesn't have such a clause that I am aware of (but, as stated before, IANAL and definately not an American one) and so it's possible to patent something blindingly obvious and throw lawyers at anyone who does the same, obvious thing.

    It seems a tad on the silly side to me...

    Ian Woods
  • by Sorklin ( 88002 ) on Thursday December 13, 2001 @10:06AM (#2698473)
    Someone on the AVS Tivo board [avsforum.com] suggested that this may be a gambit by both TIVO and SonicBlue to validate their Patents.

    When you think about it, it comes at an odd time (with TIVO being awarded more patents.) [yahoo.com] This person suggested that SonicBlue would sue TIVO over certain patents, TIVO would countersue, both would settle and cross-license and the patents in question would have precedent in the court system. Both could then turn on MS and demand licensing fees for the validated patents.

    Hopefully something like that is happening.
  • by werdna ( 39029 ) on Thursday December 13, 2001 @10:49AM (#2698698) Journal
    to negotiate the cross license and stipulate to a consent judgment as to validity of each other's patents. Then, armed with the consent decree, they can use the vehicle to support preliminary injunctive relief as against third parties.

    Relax, this is just how the game is played. Its the birth of a new enterprise and industry, with a pretty cool and different product that changes the way people enjoy consumer electronics. This is going to set the framework for development, and indeed, will assure at least a pair of effective and worthy competitors poised to beat up on Microsoft when they try to come to play.

    At least until Microsoft buys one of them . . .
  • by clmensch ( 92222 ) on Thursday December 13, 2001 @12:26PM (#2699191) Homepage Journal
    C'mon people this is par for the course of any and all industries.

    All I know is that my ReplayTV kicks the shiat out of a Tivo. The 30 second skip button alone makes it better...plus there's an undocumented feature that allows you to skip ahead MINUTES by entering a number before pressing the skip button. Heaven!

    I remember salivating over ReplayTV back in the early 90's when Tivo was barely a glimmer in a marketer's eye. Wasn't it Marc Andreeson's baby after Netscape? There's no question they have been the innovators in this field...proprietary OS or not. Tivo just has better marketing.

    While I may not be a big fan of their taking part in our system's "sue everybody" philosophy, I respect ReplayTV (and SonicBlue by association) for standing up to the networks and incorporating the functionality that I as a consumer want. Tivo is the bitch of the companies that slashdotters love to hate (Big Media). Why would you support them? Just because their (spyware) product is based on Linux?
  • by stu42j ( 304634 ) on Thursday December 13, 2001 @01:17PM (#2699472) Homepage
    Seems like an open and shut case to me. ReplayTV was released first so SONICBlue wins, right? What am I missing?

    Of course, whether or not these patents should exist in the first place is another argument entirely.

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