Cable Co's Want More Control Over Your Network 726
Moonshine Coward writes: "'The CAT and the NAT' in latest issue of www.cedmagazine.com discusses Cable labs and their efforts to come up with a 'better' protocol than NAT that allows them more control over devices behind your cable modem. Their upside on this...$4.95 per IP per mth.
Their #1 concern...people putting in 802.11b hubs and sharing with their neighbors.
Fine in principle and if it gets them drooling enough to speed up the deployment of fiber to the home it might be a good thing. However I can see way too many downsides...not least of which is being nickled and dimed to death..my webcam, cable ready microwave, refrigerator, pictureframe that shows revolving jif's ... each costing me $4.95 p.m. -- all on top of regular $39.95 cost." Note: the article is written from an interesting point of view -- it's aimed at the people who want to collect the additional per-IP charges.
Revolving jifs? (Score:2, Funny)
- A.P.
Revolving jif? (Score:2, Funny)
Illegal bandwidth sharing (Score:2, Funny)
What's with the Dr. Seuss quotes? (Score:3, Funny)
Not on my hard drive's precious blocks.
I do not need it in my house.
I will not click it with my mouse.
My packets fly throughout the air,
I use my laptop anywhere.
I will not switch my NAT with CAT.
I will not switch, and that is THAT!
:)
-prator
Re:Jif? (Score:2, Funny)
We have a BFJ (Family-Size) serving as a patch panel for our NOC at work.
Theft from Theodore Geisel (Score:1, Funny)
The best part about having NAT is having a single bullet-proof firewall.
I'm amazed at the statement that CAT will make "troubleshooting and customer care somewhat easier". When I had cable, I didn't get any customer care.
Re:Two computers makes me a thief? (Score:5, Funny)
Depends on who you ask.
If you ask a /.er, they have a contract with you.
If you ask a pigfscking marketroid who believes (in the words of the article), that "[a] crucial part of the success or failure of broadband home networks will be the set-up and ongoing care processes used to link PCs and consumer-electronics gear", then no, they have a contract with your devices.
Personally, I have no problem with saying "thou shalt not 802.11 thy neighbors onto thy cablemodem" -- cablemodem subscriptions really aren't priced with a full pipe in mind. If you need a full pipe 24/7, buy a T1 or T3.
But the solution to that problem is monitoring of bandwidth and peak usage. (And yes, the article even acknowledges this -- "until then [when we have the brave new world of us charging for your toaster], all indicators point to DOCSIS 1.1, which includes methods to monitor bandwidth consumption [...] and speed [...]".
Meantime, if CAT asks my firewall "Pardon, NAT, but what's that behind you?", I'll tell my firewall to tell the CAT to go stick itself in a sealed box with a poison bottle and a hammer hooked up to an intrusion detection system, and as far as they're concerned, my network can remain in a superposition of states until observed.
(Of course, that's redundant. Any BOFH knows that every computer network remains in a superposition of states between "up" and "down" until they actually try to accomplish something on one. ;-)
Re:I'm not sure I see the real argument (Score:3, Funny)
Ellis299@aol.com (Score:5, Funny)
Someone needs to smack this person with a cluestick. Has this person heard of cable companies that encourage you to use NAT? What does this person think that a gateway running NAT would look like to this fancy new computer counting technology? Has this person actually neworked two computers together, or did (s)he just read "Wired's history of the Internet and NAT, for dummies?"
Re:Two computers makes me a thief? (Score:2, Funny)
Me: So what are you in for?
Him: Armed robbery, assult and battery, rape, and first degree murder. I'm almost done with my 5 year sentence. You?
Me: I hooked up two computers to my cable modem. I still have 19 years left.
Him: Ouch. Even *I* am not that stupid, I'm surprised you didn't get life.
You can do that? (Score:3, Funny)
Exsqueeze me? (Score:5, Funny)
Uhm, Cable droids, that's what my firewall IS THERE FOR!!! Damn skippy you ain't gonna see what's behind my NAT device, you and every NetBus packing, snot-nosed, loser script kiddie out there. My provider has this little numeric string that can be used to gain access to my machines if need be: My phone number.
you can have my router... (Score:1, Funny)
So are they going to count TV Components? (Score:3, Funny)
If have 2 televisions, but they charge me for one, does that make me a dirty thief?
What about my VCR? It has a TV reciever, so that's another conection they should charge seperately.
If I run sound out to my sterio, that's another connection. I have Dolby 5.1. Better charge extra for each speaker.
Sometime people watch TV with me. Better shake them down.
Re:Two computers makes me a thief? (Score:3, Funny)
You agree not to use the Power Link Service or any Equipment or Software provided by Adelphia
You're not alowed to send personal e-mail unless the recipient has gone through a double opt-in process! I hope you don't want to initiate any conversations.
Let them sell milk... (Score:2, Funny)
Cable companies, DSL providers, and even dial-up providers all sell bandwidth. Not content. AOL (the author's putative ISP) doesn't sell content. They sell bandwidth and filtering (i.e., they filter what's on the Internet, and spoonfeed it to their customers).
Nothing prevents someone with a dialup analogue modem from setting up an 802.11b wireless access point on their dialup connection (Apple's AirPort even has a modem built-in).
If Bob buys a gallon of milk, and gives Carol one quart and gives Ted one quart, the retailer still has been paid for a gallon. You're implying that Carol and Ted have stolen milk, which is obviously not the case. Water companies sell water by volume, not per-faucet hydronics fees. Cable companies generally have volume restrictions for monthly use, with fees for overlimit consumption.
NOW, if Carol or Ted go back to the dairy or retailer to complain about spoilt milk, THEN she has a point. However, in the bandwidth scenario, they'll call Bob (who's adept enough to help them configure their 802.11b NICs to access his AP).
Gee, now that I think of it, cable companies buy bandwidth from backbone providers like WorldCom, and resell it! WorldCom should be angry: some of their customers are reselling (not sharing) what bandwidth they purchased from WorldCom! The nerve!
Re:letter I sent to the author... (Score:2, Funny)
I have read your thoughtful and lengthy reply considering the merits of my arguments, and will strongly consider altering my rhetorical style in appreciation of your stunning insights.
Most sincerely and respectfully,
-dB