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I paid attention to news of the Marathon bomb ...

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  • by Anonymous Coward on Saturday April 20, 2013 @02:26PM (#43505329)

    is the amount of media attention they get when they do. I ignored it.

  • by JimMcc (31079) on Saturday April 20, 2013 @02:49PM (#43505473) Homepage

    Hopefully the AC comment was posted as a sarcastic comment. It's hard to tell sometimes. But yes, the social media hords did get two INNOCENT people on the cover. Mostly it seems as though the crowd sourcing folks did a great imitation of Chicken Little.

  • by SinisterRainbow (2572075) on Saturday April 20, 2013 @02:52PM (#43505499) Homepage
    Was this an attempt to brag or just show how lynch mobs work in the 21st century?
  • by Anonymous Coward on Saturday April 20, 2013 @03:09PM (#43505615)

    In my estimation, this sort of event is on the order of once a decade, and kills on the order of 10 people.

    School shootings and similar mass murder/rampages outside schools (the Batman movie theater shooting, the odd mall shooting, etc.) seem to occur on the order of once a year, and kill on the order of 10 people.

    Gang and/or drug-trade related homicides are on the order of 3000 a year.

    Motor vehicle deaths are on the order of 30000 a year.

    I'm not trying to in any way minimize the impact of this on those who it has actually affected, or to suggest that the authorities are necessarily overreacting, just to say: what's the point of following all the in-depth coverage of it? I'm unlikely to find myself embroiled in a similar bomb plot and its aftermath, so more knowledge is unlikely to have a practical benefit to me; I already know that it happened, satisfying the social usefulness of knowing what somebody means when they say "That thing in Boston sure sucked, eh?"; what utility am I missing that I would get if I watched more?

    I'm just not seeing anything good that comes out of following each tragedy in depth -- and there's plenty of bad: the mundane deaths are enough, I don't need to get depressed by morbid examination of each more exotic death as well. And it's worse, because even though I know the many exotic deaths each have a tiny probability, and even taken together, sum to a ridiculously small probability, the human mind still sucks at dealing rationally with probability. How much worse for the people who can't be arsed to even estimate the probabilities with the rational part of their mind -- this is why we have a frightening number of people who believe either restricting gun ownership or putting an armed guard in every damn school is a reasonable reaction to the tiny real-world incidence of school shootings. (This is not to say that either of those 'solutions' is necessarily without merit in the big picture (although I do think they are), just that it's literally insane to suggest the tiny, tiny amount of harm associated with school shootings justifies a response as costly as the ones being pushed by each US political party.)

  • Old News (Score:5, Insightful)

    by Ganty (1223066) on Saturday April 20, 2013 @03:39PM (#43505775)

    I grew up in the UK in the 70's and 80's and during this time the IRA were detonating bombs in Northern Ireland on a regular basis, funded by collections taken in places like Boston where there is a large Irish community. Yes, it's sad that people died in Boston, but just because this particular pair of bombs were detonated in the USA it doesn't make it an international event.

    Ganty

  • by D1G1T (1136467) on Saturday April 20, 2013 @04:46PM (#43506159)
    I don't mean to downplay the pain of the victims of this horrible crime, but the media pointing a finger at two completely innocent people was, for me, the most chilling part of the entire story. These guys could easily have ended up dead because 12 year olds where joking around on Reddit and the press picked it up as legitimate.
  • Re:Old News (Score:5, Insightful)

    by djbckr (673156) on Saturday April 20, 2013 @06:01PM (#43506519)
    Couple of comments on that:
    1) Terrorism in the US is still a relatively new thing to us. We're not used to it.
    2) The media is out of control. They love stuff like this. It makes them lots of money, so they'll milk it for everything it's worth.
    3)The above two things are what makes this whole event worse. Yes, a few people died and there were a good number of injuries. That, in itself, is not particularly newsworthy. Terrorism is newsworthy here, unfortunately. And the media pushes it as far as they can.
  • Here's the good. (Score:4, Insightful)

    by SuperKendall (25149) on Saturday April 20, 2013 @06:46PM (#43506669)

    I'm just not seeing anything good that comes out of following each tragedy in depth

    Here' s the good - if you see someone leave a backpack at a crowded event and wander away, stuff it into an alley and then go find police to tell about it.

    That was obviously kind of suspicious before but now you have a better understanding of what a heavy backpack might be able to do in a crowd.

    If it helps people just be a little more tuned into what people are doing around them, it could help prevent the next bombing in a crowd. It's not like you have to be suspicious or fearful - just present and aware.

  • by Anonymous Coward on Saturday April 20, 2013 @06:58PM (#43506699)

    Even more chilling when you realize these aren't just "12 year olds on Reddit", these were a variety of people that you would think should know better.

  • by Anonymous Coward on Saturday April 20, 2013 @07:53PM (#43506909)

    if you see someone leave a backpack at a crowded event and wander away, stuff it into an alley and then go find police to tell about it.

    Now you're either a backpack-stealing thief, or a bomb-planting terrorist.

    If you really think you've spotted a bomb, it's probably best to say something like "omg I've spotted a bomb", so everyone will move away from it.

  • by femtobyte (710429) on Saturday April 20, 2013 @07:54PM (#43506911)

    The Irish had the "home advantage" --- they were operating in or near to their home country, providing them a lot of recruits, material, and support. Al Qaeda attacks in America are a lot farther from home, so the basic logistics are far more difficult. Attacks on American outposts and allies closer to population centers sympathetic to Al Qaeda causes are correspondingly far more frequent --- terrorist attacks are pretty much a daily occurrence in, e.g., Iraq.

  • Re:Old News (Score:3, Insightful)

    by KC1P (907742) on Saturday April 20, 2013 @09:21PM (#43507251) Homepage

    Just reacting to what seems to be hinted at here: I grew up in Boston in the 70s and 80s and Boston has an even larger NON-Irish community which was definitely not backing the IRA. Plus I wouldn't think the IRA was automatically universally popular in the Irish-American community either. So any implication that Boston deserves payback for crap the IRA did is way off.

  • by foreverdisillusioned (763799) on Saturday April 20, 2013 @11:22PM (#43507669) Journal
    This is in no way justifying our past 12 years of senseless, self-destructive hysteria (which included pulling your troops into Iraq), but by the same token the importance of events is not a simple function of body count.

    The IRA to my knowledge never had plans for world domination. Much--maybe not 'most', but much--of political Islam ("Islamism") does. The IRA doesn't to my knowledge attack countries who have allegedly wronged non-Irish Catholics. By comparison, Iran is only happy to wage jihad against countries that have not wronged it, haven't wronged people of the same ethnicity or language (Persian vs. Arab, in case anyone still doesn't realize the difference), and haven't even wronged people belonging to the same flavor of Islam (Shia vs. Sunni being a rather huge divide.) In other words, the pan-Islam nature of the conflict makes this newsworthy.

    Because now we have a couple of Chechens waging their tiny little war against us. And maybe it's because they think we've been too soft on Russia, but I think it's more likely that they (or perhaps just the deceased big brother) sympathized with pan-Islamic causes. If there was an international organization involved, I think you'll agree that's certainly news. If it was lone wolf that's also certainly news, because it is one HELL of a culture/belief system that can inspire that kind of out of the blue fanaticism.

    Again, this is not apologism for Orwellian overreactions nor for ghastly wars nor is it excusing the evil that still emanates from the other Abrahamic religions. But don't pretend that this isn't a worldwide issue. It is, and neither dismissive hand waving nor the snuggly warm arms of enlightened multiculturalism will make it go away.
  • by MartinSchou (1360093) on Sunday April 21, 2013 @02:11PM (#43511055)

    These people didn't do that, so I think they are mass murderers rather than terrorists.

    Are they really mass murderers though? Three people died as a result of the bombs.

  • Grow up, Americans (Score:4, Insightful)

    by David Govett (2825317) on Sunday April 21, 2013 @03:25PM (#43511447)
    There are about 314,000,000 Americans. If Americans have a collective epileptic seizure each time a terrorist decides to kill a few people, the country cannot endure. Recall that those willing to trade liberty for safety will get neither. So carry on, like Winnie in bombed-out London, for there is nothing that so frustrates terrorists as a people oblivious of their depredations, because the people have better things to do. Otherwise, the terrorists will have won already.
  • by amiga3D (567632) on Sunday April 21, 2013 @10:17PM (#43512973)

    sad that this was modded funny when it is obviously insightful.

  • by VeryBest52 (2897689) on Sunday April 21, 2013 @10:30PM (#43513005) Homepage
    No um, but the fact they blew up bombs in the middle of hundreds or thousands of people makes them terrorists.
  • by femtobyte (710429) on Sunday April 21, 2013 @10:46PM (#43513073)

    You might, however, care about policy decisions with regard to deterring future attacks. Do we need to strip away everyone's civil liberties? Bomb and occupy a few more countries? Improve access to mental health services? Ban pressure cookers? Make no changes whatsoever? Properly analyzing the events that happened (instead of just dumping everything into the big "oh no, scary terrorists! panic! panic! panic!" bucket) allows rational responses and accurate assessments of future threats.

  • by femtobyte (710429) on Sunday April 21, 2013 @10:52PM (#43513091)

    No, that makes them murderers. If they intended to use this as a threat to influence policy under fear of future attacks, then they are terrorists. If they did this instead for some twisted personal satisfaction from causing harm, then they are not --- no more than a serial killer is a "terrorist," even if they terrify the population.

  • by wvmarle (1070040) on Sunday April 21, 2013 @11:56PM (#43513279)

    I'm sure the intent was to kill more than just three people. From what I've heard about those bombs it seems to me that they were meant to be deadly, and to cause as much damage as possible. And as such I wouldn't be surprised if the culprits were somewhat disappointed by the results.

  • by magic maverick (2615475) on Monday April 22, 2013 @03:45AM (#43513803) Homepage Journal

    All people are innocent, until proven guilty in a court of law. And even then, much of the time they are innocent, but did not have a good enough lawyer, or were railroaded into accepting a plea-bargain, or just damn well were unlucky.

    The person shot and killed by police is innocent for all time, because they'll never get their day in court. The young man caught by police and arrested, innocent, until proven guilty.

    At least, I hope that people are not jumping to conclusions and trusting not just the media, but the police and government. When it has been shown many times all three lie, don't tell the whole truth, etc.

    Wait longer for the facts, and see what happens. Don't make up your mind now.

  • by MartinSchou (1360093) on Monday April 22, 2013 @05:48AM (#43514107)

    And I'm sure the intent of some of the runners were to win the race - they didn't, and we don't think of them as having won the race.

  • by Krigl (1025293) on Monday April 22, 2013 @06:10AM (#43514193)
    Not only they are two different countries, Czechoslovakia doesn't even exist for twenty years now. Old Czechoslovakia also didn't use to get mistaken for Chechnya like Czech Republic, but for Yugoslavia.
    I also feel like I should insert "you insensitive clod" somewhere, but can't figure where, so feel free to imagine it wherever it makes sense to you.
  • by orthancstone (665890) on Monday April 22, 2013 @09:13AM (#43515149)

    You'd think with all the time the cable news channels have to focus on the news that they'd be able to really dig deep into a story instead of regurgitating the same stale pap every 20 minutes.

    The 24 hour news cycle hasn't had anything worthwhile to contribute since the 90s. And even that is being generous.

  • by MondoGordo (2277808) on Monday April 22, 2013 @01:50PM (#43517779)
    'All people are innocent, until proven guilty in a court of law.' NOT!! Guilt and innocence are absolutes. All people are entitled to the presumption of innocence when accused of a crime. This has no bearing on their actual guilt or innocence, if they did it they are guilty, regardless of whether or not it's proven in a court. If they didn't do it they are innocent regardless of whether or not they are convicted of the crime.
  • by tehcyder (746570) on Tuesday April 23, 2013 @03:21AM (#43522887) Journal

    Nothing says police state like telling people not to leave the house...or else!

    I bet you're the sort of dickhead who ignores requests by authorities to evacuate when a hurricane is coming, and ends up having to be rescued from the roof of their house.

"There is nothing new under the sun, but there are lots of old things we don't know yet." -Ambrose Bierce

 



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