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Hard Drive With Clinton-Era Data Missing From Nat'l Archives
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on Wed May 20, 2009 05:24 PM
from the vince-foster's-recipe-collection dept.
from the vince-foster's-recipe-collection dept.
CWmike writes "An external hard drive that's believed to contain nearly 1TB of data from the Clinton Administration is missing from the US National Archives and Recording Administration (NARA). The drive includes more than 100,000 Social Security numbers and home addresses of people who visited or worked at the White House. Among those whose information is on the list is one of then-Vice President Al Gore's three daughters. The drive also contained details on the security procedures used by the Secret Service at the White House, as well as event logs, social gathering logs, political records and other information from the Clinton administration. Rep. Darrell Issa, (R-Calif.) said the Archives was in the process of converting information from the drive to a digital records system when it apparently disappeared. The hard drive was apparently removed from a secure storage area to a workplace where at least 100 'badge-holders' had access to it, Issa noted."
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What? (Score:4, Funny)
But... (Score:5, Insightful)
Re:But... (Score:4, Insightful)
It'd be nicer if the real world would learn from the cryptography field. Meaning no White House security procedure would be considered really safe if it hasn't been publicly reviewed. Everything else is security through obscurity, and it's bound to be leaked as shown. Just speculating.
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Common F. Sense needs no "public review" (Score:4, Insightful)
It'd be nicer if the real world would learn from the cryptography field. Meaning no White House security procedure would be considered really safe if it hasn't been publicly reviewed. Everything else is security through obscurity, and it's bound to be leaked as shown. Just speculating.
Ah, no public review is necessary when it clearly falls under the guise of Common Fucking Sense. When grasping for words to describe the incompetency here, I believe in the ramblings of of the Bull Durham Coach. This is a simple game. You get the data. You save the data. You encrypt the data. YOU GOT IT?!?
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Re:But... (Score:4, Interesting)
I still don't understand, though, why the National Archive would think that 100,000 personal records including social security numbers are something that they should be keeping around. Since we've already established that there were no 1TB hard drives in 2000, this archive must have been created sometime later. Maybe someone should have thought about it a little bit.
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Re:But... (Score:5, Insightful)
If this harddrive was from the Bush administration, would we be worried about the encryption or screaming of another cover up?
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Re:But... (Score:5, Informative)
Wait what? What major encryption algorithms have been cracked in the last 15 years or been computationally overpowered?
MD5 has had a few weaknesses found, but nothing has broken it completely.
Stuff like RSA have been around for 35 years and are still uncracked.
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Re: (Score:3, Informative)
The Government has the NSA advising it, so no weak encryption would be used.
But it wasnt encrypted in the first place which shows that they were lazy, but not *completely* incompetent.
Re: (Score:3, Insightful)
By current crop of retards, do you mean the administration? The people who put them in office, both, or government in general?
Yes.
Re:But... (Score:4, Funny)
... when ever I enter a classified area we are searched.
And when you exit, I hope ...
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A "secure" area (Score:5, Insightful)
Obviously not secure enough.
Re:A "secure" area (Score:5, Funny)
Obviously not secure enough.
C'mon. There was a sign on the door saying "beware of the leopard".
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Re:A "secure" area (Score:4, Funny)
Obviously not secure enough.
C'mon. There was a sign on the door saying "beware of the leopard".
...At the bottom of a locked filing cabinet in a disused lavatory... In the basement, where the lights and stairs had gone out...
I'm not quite enough of a geek to quote it verbatim, though.
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Uhh, the security is the issue. Why was such a sensitive device allowed to be removed from a secure area into an "area where 1000 badge holders had access"? As with all "secure" systems, the biggest security issue is people. If you're not going to enforce security then there's no point having it.
Data missing again (Score:4, Interesting)
Any finance-sensitive and/or war crime reports on that disk I wonder...
QUICK!!!! (Score:5, Funny)
Somebody check Sandy Berger's underwear!!!
Re:QUICK!!!! (Score:4, Funny)
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His socks couldn't be reached for comment
What does this have to do with the Clinton Admin? (Score:5, Informative)
Besides having data from back in that time frame. It's interesting that the summary doesn't point out that it was lost in the latter part of the Bush administration, and the story mentions the timeframe without being as balatant about who was in power.
I sense partisanship.
Re:What does this have to do with the Clinton Admi (Score:5, Funny)
Since the summary said the disk "is" missing, i was going to chime in (humourously) with "Whether it really IS missing depends on what the meaning of IS IS..."
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Re:What does this have to do with the Clinton Admi (Score:4, Informative)
According to the article, "the loss is believed to have occurred between October 2008 and March 2009." Thus, the hard drive could have been lost during the Obama presidency.
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Re:What does this have to do with the Clinton Admi (Score:5, Insightful)
Yeah, you sense partisanship, your own. The article didn't say or even imply the Clinton admin spirited away the data, fuck 1 tb drives didn't even exist in his administration. The article title is "Hard drive with Clinton-era data missing from National Archives". As in, a hard drive with Clinton era existed (ie they didnt destroy/lose the data before it was transferred to the archives) and now it is missing. The article clearly says "The drive was discovered missing in early April and the breach was immediately reported to senior officials at the NARA".
Furthermore it is being reported on by ComputerWorld, a site about tech news that doesn't exactly seem to have some grand political agenda (unless that agenda is to point out exactly how incompetent the IT staff at the National Archives is).
It's clear the partisan element here is you, and your thinking has become so clouded you are seeing conspiracies where there aren't any. We have a name for that, it is called paranoia. Paranoia seems to be behind a lot of the mistakes the Bush administration made, perhaps you should learn from their mistakes.
Data archives should be encrypted where possible, and data archives stored on external drives should always be encrypted. Furthermore, Social Security numbers of Clinton era staffers should have been purged in the first place, as there is no historical reason to save them and plenty of reason to delete them. This is a fuck-up by the National Archives, and they should be held accountable for their fuck-up. There is no reason to complicate the matter with politics.
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Re:What does this have to do with the Clinton Admi (Score:4, Interesting)
I've noticed a lot more conservative-leaning folks (and moderators) coming out of the woodwork in the last couple months.
I suspect it's not that people here have partisan motives so much as it's "cool" to be against whomever is in power. I kind of remember the Old Days of Slashdot in the last Clinton years being this way too.
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Re: (Score:3, Interesting)
You proved the parents point I think, unless of course your more conservative than not.
Slashdot always is on the whole for things that you vehemently disagree with. I've been noticing /. become pro-religion, anti-science, and even more towards the libertarian fringe of late. But then again if I was a pro-science, anti-science, libertarian I would probably think that the atheistic pinkos were taking over.
Re:What does this have to do with the Clinton Admi (Score:4, Insightful)
I think it's just that you see people criticizing the current administration, and see it as "the Right bashing the Left".
Some of us just don't like power-hungry politicians, no matter which way they lean socially.
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Hmm.... (Score:5, Funny)
Hey... (Score:3, Funny)
Identity Theft (Score:3, Interesting)
Also in missing data... (Score:5, Funny)
Audio of interview with Monica Lewinski.
WJ 'Sax' Clinton: Step a little closer and speak into the mike...
eBay (Score:5, Funny)
Check eBay.
No car analogy (Score:5, Insightful)
How do we put this in terms this gang can understand?
How often has an IT admin, just doing his job, backed up sensitive HR files to an unsecured backup medium stored in an unsecured area? What? Encrypt the backup just for a few HR files? The files are scattered all over the SAN. Too much trouble. Besides, they're safe here. There's just eighteen admins with access to the area. Yah--the same eighteen people who know the one password we use for all the databases.
In an Archive, the preservationists are the "techies". They keep the archive available. These are the guys who keep building indexes and copying stuff from old media to new media so it's always readable. They are the "backup people", and like most IT admins, they don't let anything get in the way of doing what they believe is their mission.
What most likely happened was that, instead of taking their equipment into the high security zone to process the sensitive information in there, they brought the sensitive information out to their equipment in the low security zone. It was the expedient thing to do. I think also illegal.
No conspiracy here, just laziness and a lack of security awareness.
Re:No car analogy (Score:4, Insightful)
You have absolutely *no* basis for any of what you just said.
You've fabricated a complete fantasy and presented it as fact, you are the person you rail against - a conspiracy theorist of a slightly different stripe.
There's a million explanations of what could have happened. The only rational thing to do is wait for some ort of investigation to produce results. To present a fantasy of your own making then state that it's case closed is the hieght of stupidity.
The fact that you are modded to +5 insightful glaringly shows the extreme need for the people in this tiny little group to believe that everything in life is peachy squeaky clean and just an innocent accident. Thank god none of you are cops, nobody would ever be arrested!
"See officer what happened is the person was just cleaning my gun and it accidently shot and then the wind blew their money into my pocket. As you know there's no such thing as malice!"
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File Sharing (Score:3, Interesting)
Sandy Berger (Score:4, Funny)
No, he didn't have relations with that hard drive. (Score:3, Funny)
Also wag that finger on that dais.
Re:1TB from ten years ago? (Score:5, Insightful)
The article says "data from the Clinton administration", not "hard drive from the Clinton administration".
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Re:1TB from ten years ago? (Score:5, Informative)
This wouldn't be your desktop PC 3.5" hard disk drive or a 2.5" laptop drive. This would be an server-class hard disk drive the size of a briefcase
Network attached storage [hddfiresafe.com]
Lacie hard disk drive [slipperybrick.com]
The problem is, it probably didn't look like a piece of computer equipment and ended up being moved somewhere totally different.
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Re:A 1 TB drive 9+ years ago? (Score:5, Interesting)
I call shenanigans (or bad reporting) on this story. There were no 1TB hard drives 9 years ago (except maybe in HD manufacturers labs). You might have had an external array, but not a drive. I don't remember for sure, but I'd say a single hard drive was max ~250GB in 2000?
Maybe the original data was archived on a modern device. If you are relying on hard disks it would make sense to move the asset (the data) on to media which you can maintain.
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Re:A 1 TB drive 9+ years ago? (Score:4, Insightful)
TFA does shed some light:
-The drive loss occurred between Oct. 2008 and March 2009. TFA also states that the *data* was Clinton era, not the hardware itself. The data could've been census data from the Grover Cleveland administration for all that it matters to the incident. The disappearance occurred during the switch from the W. Bush to Obama administrations.
-The item stolen was an "external hard drive", which opens up the floor to discussion. Could have been a USB enclosure, could have been an externally attached Fibre Channel storage array.
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Re:A 1 TB drive 9+ years ago? (Score:5, Insightful)
I call shenanigans (or bad reporting) on this story. There were no 1TB hard drives 9 years ago (except maybe in HD manufacturers labs). You might have had an external array, but not a drive. I don't remember for sure, but I'd say a single hard drive was max ~250GB in 2000?
I call shenanigans on your reply. The data was from the Clinton administration. Now I am nowhere near the geek/nerd/intellectual that most /.ers are, but maybe, just maybe, the data was transferred onto the device at some point?
From an article on the same website as the original linked story (http://www.computerworld.com/action/article.do?command=viewArticleBasic&articleId=913335 [computerworld.com]("Missing drive had no original Clinton records, says National Archives"): "According to the statement released this afternoon, the 2-TB drive was being used for "routine re-copying" as part of a records preservation process. The small 2.5-pound Western Digital MY Book external hard drive contained information from about 113, 4mm tape cartridges and weighs about 2.5 pounds. The tapes contained "snapshots" of the contents of hard drives of employees leaving from the Executive Offices of the President and contained both federal and Presidential records."
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Re:Remember? (Score:5, Funny)
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Re:No worries (Score:5, Funny)
Who ever stole it reformatted and is using it for bit torrent porn downloads now.
And in an odd quirk of fate, filling it back up with the original contents...
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Re: (Score:3, Interesting)
but they didn't ruin the place like the most recent outgoing group did.
How do you know, if the data's been lost?
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How do you know, if the data's been lost?
Because there's no evidence of it, of course!!
Re:Incoming (Score:5, Insightful)
but they didn't ruin the place like most recent outgoing group did.
Pelosi ... still there ... still there ... still there ... still there ... got promoted ... still there
Dodd
Frank
Kennedy
Obama
I don't get it. Were you making a joke?
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As well as that....nearly 1TB of data, if compressed, could take up 300GB of space, or less.
Depending on the data, of course.
If it's just a bunch of excel files with personal info in them, they'll compress quite well. .bmp files of everybody's fingerprints, it will also compress well.
If it's
If it's binary biometric data (unlikely) then it won't compress well at all.
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If it's .bmp files of everybody's fingerprints, it will also compress well.
Nope--it's one file. It's the .bmp of Monica Lewinski for her photo ID badge. It's a lot of pixels.