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Military Steps Up War On Blogs
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on Thu Feb 28, 2008 03:21 PM
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An anonymous reader writes "The military's war on blogs, first reported last spring, is picking up. Now the Air Force is tightening restrictions on which blogs its troops can read. One senior Air Force official calls the squeeze so 'utterly stupid, it makes me want to scream.'"
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When's the next speech (Score:5, Funny)
Re:When's the next speech (Score:4, Informative)
By that definition wouldn't they have to block news.google.com and news.yahoo.com among a multitude of others?
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Free speech (Score:4, Insightful)
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Re:When's the next speech (Score:4, Insightful)
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If he thinks the policy is stupid... (Score:3, Funny)
Re:If he thinks the policy is stupid... (Score:4, Funny)
It *is* a stupid policy.
If you don't want your troops to lose morale because of the blogs, let them know what's really going on ... oops, that won't work either ...
Next step - installing spyware, so that in Soviet Amerikan Army, blog reads YOU!
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If you can't trust your GIs to read a blog and make up their own minds, you have bigger problems ...
Troops listened to Tokyo Rose [wikipedia.org] during WW2 - it didn't change the outcome.
Re:If he thinks the policy is stupid... (Score:5, Insightful)
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I think our GIs have better things to spend their time on than trying to distill truth from the "facts" vomited by malcontents and partisan hacks.
I agree wholeheartedly! That's why I wonder why those [nytimes.com] "malcontents" [foxnews.com] and "partisan [msn.com] hacks" [cnn.com] aren't being blocked, just honest bloggers.
PressedWords (Score:2, Funny)
Presumably he didn't post that on his blog...
Re:PressedWords (Score:5, Interesting)
Don't be so sure. From FTA:
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out of sight out of mind? (Score:3, Interesting)
Vietnam lessons (Score:5, Insightful)
The American public is very happy to support war so long as 'war' is sort of an abstract thing happening "over there". They're more than happy to 'support the troops' and make grand speeches about the trials and tribulations and the suffering of "our boys overseas"--so long as they don't -see- it.
Once any given generation -sees- the dirty, bloody, nasty physical reality of war--the coffins coming home, the frontline reports with people getting blown up on camera, the interviews with the troops who have been worn down by months of stress--they stop supporting the 'cause' and start making ugly noises about bringing the troops home.
So they started with disguising the casualties--excluding people from photographing the coffins. No highly visible casualties? Then any losses are, for everyone outside the families--families that are, by and large, "in" the establishment itself (base housing and that sort of thing)--abstract. Just numbers.
Then quietly weed out the embedded reporters. Reasons of security, you know. Have to make sure the press stays 'safe'.
And now making sure that there's as little other information exchange between the armed services and the outside world as possible.
It's all to be expected, really.
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Re:Vietnam lessons (Score:5, Insightful)
To me it sounded like the best reason FOR showing the pictures.
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The American public is very happy to support war so long as 'war' is sort of an abstract thing happening "over there". They're more than happy to 'support the troops' and make grand speeches about the trials and tribulations and the suffering of "our boys overseas"--so long as they don't -see- ... the dirty, bloody, nasty physical reality of war.
And that's why the Soldiers, Sailors, Marines and Airmen who willingly volunteer to fight the wars that preserve our right to dissent and protest ought to be lauded as heroes. If you're one of those reprehensible citizens who choose to impugn them by calling them stupid, ignorant, or whatever makes you feel better about yourself for simultaneously enjoying something and also stating that the manner in which it's provided is horrible, the nagging feeling that keeps you up at night is the truth that thos
Most people in the U.S. don't know the history. (Score:4, Insightful)
What started the violence between the U.S. government and Arabs was the U.S. government, not the Arabs. Having the U.S. taxpayer pay for violence to make a profit works only because most voters don't know the history of U.S. government action.
See, for example, Coups Arranged or Backed by the USA [krysstal.com]. Most or all of that corruption happened for profit, such as kickbacks of U.S. government foreign aid. When the governments of Israel or Pakistan buy weapons from U.S. manufacturers using money from "foreign aid", that is embezzlement of taxpayer money.
For one example of profiting from violence, read How Bush's grandfather helped Hitler's rise to power [guardian.co.uk] or Bush-Nazi Link Confirmed: Documents in National Archives Prove George W. Bush's Grandfather Traded with Nazis - Even After Pearl Harbor [rense.com].
Apparently Slashdot editors agree with at least some of this, because now and for the last 2 months or more, this has been on the main Slashdot page, on the right, under Book Reviews: "The Creature from Jekyll Island [amazon.com] is a compelling look at the history of the Federal Reserve system and asks if it's a system that has run it's course. (Michael J. Ross's review [slashdot.org])"
"The Creature from Jekyll Island" discusses how the U.S. monetary system is manipulated by rich and powerful people for their own profit. It says that wars are started for profit.
The Cooperative Research History Commons [cooperativeresearch.org] is very valuable for those wanting to do their own research.
The poorly edited but very interesting free movie Zeitgeist [zeitgeistmovie.com] explains in three parts that 1) People who believe in myths are easily manipulated. 2) It is common that people are manipulated through fear. 3) The U.S. monetary system is controlled for the profit of a few individuals. (Note that the movie used respected sources for the first part which were later shown to be somewhat in error. The underlying issues are correct, however.)
When you talk about U.S. government action, don't say "we". Whoever does the secret decision making would kill you and your family if they thought you would cause trouble for them.
When people try to calculate the total number the U.S. government killed, they arrive at figures like perhaps 3 million killed directly since the end of the 2nd world war, and perhaps 8 to 11 million total if the people killed by the destabilization the U.S. government caused are also included, not including the people killed in Iraq. Partly the killing happened as a result of the U.S. government invading or bombing 25 countries.
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"I'm here in a bunker outside of Baghdad, and while I don't really know anything about military operations, I can assure you that there is a lot of noise out here. Let me sketch a little map in the sand to show you where we're gonna move next..."
Carbon dioxide (Score:3, Funny)
Land of the Free. (Score:3, Insightful)
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Quick correction (Score:5, Insightful)
The distinction is important, and not just semantically.
And I can't figure out how you think they're losing "freedom of thought", as far as I'm aware, the military has no way to know what you're thinking (I hope...) so that part of your post really doesn't make any sense.
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Freedom has responsibilities. (Score:5, Insightful)
I think the important part is that people forget that when you join the military (ex Air Force here) you give up a lot of your rights. You do so willingly. You do so with the expectation that it is for the common good. Don't take this as an ego trip, but for me today's soldiers are the people I look up to. To willfully put yourself in harms way in support of others, the majority of which will never know your sacrifice, is to be a true hero. Not some insipid hollyweird starlet, some sports player, or the latest American idol. These soldiers are of the same stock as firemen and policeman. They step up so the rest of us don't have to. Yet we don't always respect their contribution or what they give up. Some of them might not fully understand the later but I put this as coming from a society of entitlement viewpoint that comes to a screeching halt when you join.
So while I do not find too much wrong in limiting what they can say, especially with the fact that enemy of the day has near instant access to it, I think it does deserve a good amount of thought before it goes too far into restrictive. I know my friends letters from the first Desert Storm were monitored but that was easy to do, all mail went through the military. With the internet a big exposure is created and any attempt to close it appears as an affront. It is, but its one voluntarily entered. The military cannot afford to be all open and exposed. It doesn't work well in that environment. A good military works best when it can control the variables. There are some it can and this is one area where it can do something. Your there to do a job and the people around you don't need extra risk because you slipped up.
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Hmm. Not sure about that. (Score:4, Insightful)
The question is, is free speech actually a right or is it merely a privilege that the privileged are granted? If it is the former, then that is absolute and inviolate. There's no two ways about it. If it is the latter, then yes, certain jobs may withdraw certain privileges that would be granted to others.
What you can't have is it both ways. I honestly don't care which American society wants to define it as being, as it is using an ambiguous interpretation that is far too often more about convenience than about standards in life. Less ambiguity, even if more restrictive, can't be any worse.
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Well, from what I have heard (and I would like to emphasize this is just what I heard) quite a large number of recruits only join for lack of any other viable options in life.
This is true. This is also why the large majority of recruits are some of the least educated, and come from lower class demographics. People that have a chance in life and plan to do something with themselves aren't as willing to give it away to line the pockets of politicians. It's ironic really, that they citizens most abused by the government are almost always the very ones tricked into defending it with their own blood.
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Whose military?
The U. S. military?
Wrong. Since you use the phrase "join" you mean "enlist". (The officer equivalent of join is "be commissioned" or "be appointed".)
Quoting DoD Directive 1304.26, "Qualification Standards for Enlistment, Appointment,and Induction": [dtic.mil]
Land of the powerful. (Score:3, Insightful)
Anyone who thinks the American military gives a shit about anyone's rights hasn't been paying attention. These are the
im not sure that's a problem (Score:4, Insightful)
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I'm not sure referencing two notoriously lawless countries makes the point you think it does.
BECAUSE AMERICA IS A DEMOCRACY (Score:5, Insightful)
Vile regimes? How about Saudi Arabia? How about Pakistan? How about our One China policy? You completely missed the point of my first post. America does not care if you're a vile regime, as long as you do what we tell you to do. That's why Saddam had our public support - we removed him from our Terrorist States list in the early 80s so we could sell him weapons. Weapons which he used to exterminate hundreds of thousands of people, which didn't bother us in the slightest. Like the slaughter of the people of East Timor, also in the hundreds of thousands, didn't even cause us to stop selling weapons to Indonesia.
You are paying attention to the smoke and the mirrors, and not the real issues. This is not a pissing contest. This is a matter of injustice, and what we can do about it. So, if saying that the US is as good as Russia helps you sleep at night, by all means, get back in front of the TV and tuck in. Celebrate your freedom by doing fuck all. Trust the government. Ignore the fact that the president today is asking the public to provide immunity to telcos to spy on the public. Ignore the blood in the streets in Baghdad. Ignore the cries of injustice in the inner city. Ignore the fact that we spend more money on the military than any other expenditure in our budget, and more than any other country by any measurement (per capita, GDP, whatever.)
The sad thing is, you are the perfect American citizen. Because you are listless, thoughtless, you follow orders, and you ask no questions. If this sounds familiar to communist ideals, perhaps that should be alarming?
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Ah, irony... (Score:5, Funny)
It's a training issue; not a free speech issue? (Score:4, Insightful)
How many hours of training do they get on the topics of personal publishing, viral marketing, and information security awareness in today's age of instant global communication?
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War on Blogs (Score:3, Funny)
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This is your brain on blogs.
Same as letters home (Score:5, Informative)
This does however remind me of that story a while back about soldiers trading pretty grotesque pictures [cnn.com] for access to pr0n sites.
RTFA (Score:4, Informative)
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Awesomeness... (Score:3, Funny)
So lets list 'em... (Score:4, Informative)
http://michaelyon-online.com/ [michaelyon-online.com] - embedded reporter with no corporate sponsor, etc. Does it all on his own, takes *amazing* photos, and writes well...
Blogs not the UK .mil favourite word (Score:3, Informative)
Incidentally, you might not have noticed it amongst all the great News happening around us, but oil is back knocking on the door [google.com] of the all-time record high (yes, adjusted for inflation) set in April 1980. Strange the way timings go, isn't it.
In Contemporary America (Score:3, Interesting)
For The Military Inevitably Blocked (It's a blog!) (Score:5, Informative)
I fear this is even more sinister than it appears (Score:4, Interesting)
Bear in mind I am not American, but from what I understand it is fairly costly to go to university there, and one of the easiest ways for people not born into money to finance themselves is to join the military for a bit before they go.
Now, centres of power have an uneasy relationship with academia. On the one hand, healthy universities are vital to maintaining a countries technological and scientific edge. On the other hand, putting lots of smart, young people with fresh ideas in one place and giving them free time often breeds 'disrespectful' thinking.
But the US government seems to have found a solution. Get the kids to join up so the military has first swing at their impressionable minds. Give them the states point of view and only the states point of view, and teach them that opposition to this point of view is treason. Create the us-and-them mentality cults use to make their victims hostile to information that might free them from the lies they have been told. Or, to save time, let Rupert Murdoch do it for you.
Now, this might be a bit tinfoil hat for you, but it doesn't require anything secret or anything that violates physics or the boundaries of current technology. It just requires that the people in charge of your country are totalitarian shits who will exploit any opportunity to control the environment and thus the minds of the people, especially young people.
Looks like some on the stargate project posted.... (Score:2)
Blogs!=News (Score:4, Insightful)
Disobedience (Score:5, Interesting)
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Re:Don't be so melodramatic. (Score:5, Insightful)
If you are going to post controversial shit you just omit your name and rank so it does not appear to have AF sanction.
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