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Smartphones Patented — Just About Everyone Sued 1 Minute Later
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ScuttleMonkey
on Fri Jan 25, 2008 06:04 PM
from the definition-of-a-patent-troll dept.
from the definition-of-a-patent-troll dept.
This week the US Patent and Trademark Office issued a surprisingly (although I guess it shouldn't be) broad patent for a "mobile entertainment and communication device". Upon closer inspection you may notice that it pretty much outlines the ubiquitous smartphone concept. "It's a patent for a mobile phone with removable storage, an internet connection, a camera and the ability to download audio or video files. The patent holding firm who has the rights to this patent wasted no time at all. At 12:01am Tuesday morning, it filed three separate lawsuits against just about everyone you can think of, including Apple, Nokia, RIM, Sprint, ATT, HP, Motorola, Helio, HTC, Sony Ericsson, UTStarcomm, Samsung and a bunch of others. Amusingly, the company actually first filed the lawsuits on Monday, but realized it was jumping the gun and pulled them, only to refile just past the stroke of midnight. "
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If I had invented the smartphone... (Score:5, Funny)
Re:If I had invented the smartphone... (Score:5, Insightful)
a) by the time the patent application was filed, it was already obvious
b) they didn't invent it, or they acquired the patent from someone else
c) they have made no effort whatsoever to put the invention into production
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Re:If I had invented the smartphone... (Score:5, Funny)
We like to think of ourselves as a progressive institution.
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not very smrt (Score:5, Informative)
Re:not very smrt (Score:4, Informative)
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Re:not very smrt (Score:5, Informative)
What needs to happen is that if you file a continuation, the clock gets reset to that continuation. So file in '97 and file a continuation in 2000 means that anything in '98 and '99 now counts as prior art.
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Re:not very smrt (Score:5, Informative)
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Re:not very smrt (Score:5, Insightful)
Evidently, it doesn't.
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Re:not very smrt (Score:5, Informative)
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"what needs to happen" (Score:4, Insightful)
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Re:"what needs to happen" (Score:5, Insightful)
There are abuses in the system w.r.t. submarine patents like this one. Most of these occur because some parts of patent law are not properly interpreted or need reform. A ten+ year lag between initial filing and granting the patent is crazy.
But requiring the inventor to build the invention breaks all sorts of very productive business models. University research, small research companies, individual inventors, etc. etc. are a very productive part of the true innovative landscape that would be hurt badly by your proposal. Throwing the baby out with the bath water is not acceptable.
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Good luck (Score:5, Insightful)
These guys will be smashed into paste by hordes of the highest paid lawyers on planet Earth first thing Monday morning.
By Lawyers? Why not by an actual lynch mob? (Score:4, Insightful)
This kind of blood-sucking behavior is so transparently in bad-faith, so anti-productive, and so greedy, that it ought to carry criminal penalties.
Like the people who throw in clauses that trigger penalties and ridiculous interest rates for early payoff on loans, these are not the kind of people who cooperate in a society, they're psychopathic parasites.
But for whatever reason, right now we live in a society that rewards them instead of punishing them.
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What I don't Get... (Score:5, Informative)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Smartphone [wikipedia.org]
The first smart phone was developed way back when. But let's consider a more recent example:
The Nokia Communicator line was the first of Nokia's smartphones starting with the Nokia 9000, released in 1996.
The earlier chained patents was 1997. So I really wonder what pot, and I do mean pot, the people in the patent office are smoking.
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Re:What I don't Get... (Score:4, Funny)
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Payola (Score:5, Interesting)
I'd just look for a patent clerk driving a Lamborghini. Why look to stupidity when we have other equally icky human motivations for this?
I'm serious.
This almost has to be the work of bribery. How the hell could anyone not know that people have been putting video on cellphones already? How could you possibly claim that you haven't seen this before? Either it's bribery, or there's a patent clerk out there somewhere who doesn't own a TV and is communicating solely by carrier pigeon.
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Re:Good luck (Score:5, Funny)
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Re:Good luck (Score:5, Funny)
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I have a question, your honour (Score:5, Funny)
abusive behaviour (Score:5, Interesting)
they cost money to other companies, but also to state and law
how can tribunal tolerate such behaviour and not fine a big toll ?
apply the corporate death penalty, too (Score:4, Insightful)
A hardship for the shareholders? Maybe, but also, too fucking bad.
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Seriously (Score:5, Insightful)
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Mod Parent Way The Hell Up... (Score:5, Interesting)
"I hereby swear under penalty of perjury that I am filing this lawsuit in good faith. Furthermore, if my lawsuit is found to be without merit, and is dismissed with prejudice, then my corporate charter shall be dissolved, and my corporation's holdings shall be split and sold to the highest bidder at public auction. Furthermore, my corporate officers, who are members of my corporation's board at time of filing, shall be individually levied personal fines of 3x their individual annual personal income (consisting of, but not limited to: salary, bonuses, incentives, and all other forms of income), as calculated on the year this lawsuit was filed. My corporation furthermore cannot be sold, merged, transferred, or acquired by any other entity until the lawsuit is concluded, nor can board members be replaced except in the event of death or permanent incapacitation. My corporation furthermore cannot issue any further financial instruments during this time period, until the lawsuit is concluded (instruments include but are not limited to: stock issues, bond issues, or any other forms of publicly traded debt)."
That would simultaneously wipe out the RIAA, the MPAA, and damned near every real patent troll on the planet...
(PS: if you can improve on it or correct dumb mistakes that I was bound to include inadvertently, please, go for it).
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Re:Mod Parent Way The Hell Up... (Score:4, Insightful)
Sorry, but the CEO doesn't own the company (the shareholders do) and doesn't have the authority to unilaterally give it way or dissolve its charter. Neither can the CEO levy fines on anyone, any more than you could. He/she could reduce or eliminate their future salary or wages, but then they'd just quit and go somewhere else.
Anyway, your proposal would be truly unfair to those who didn't have anything to do with supporting the decision to file the lawsuit, or who did support it, but in good faith. For the rest the existing penalties are, IMHO, more than sufficient.
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Awesome` (Score:5, Interesting)
Good for them! (Score:5, Insightful)
Perhaps this is just what we need to make congress re-think our amazingly incompetent patent office. Clearly, computers can do all of this stuff, and a cell phone / PDA is just a hand-held version of a computer. Nothing really novel, but that never stopped the patent office.
Unfortunately, I missed my chance to patent patent trolling and further patenting the patenting of patent trolling. Etc.
Manufacturers to release hardware fix (Score:5, Funny)
Who's laughing now, Mr. Patent Troll?
Re:Manufacturers to release hardware fix (Score:5, Funny)
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Re:Manufacturers to release hardware fix (Score:5, Funny)
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Do patent trolls ever win? (Score:5, Insightful)
Yes (Score:5, Interesting)
http://money.cnn.com/2006/03/03/technology/rimm_ntp/ [cnn.com]
Other situations companies settle such as this one where a company claimed it owned rights to JPEG
http://www.bizjournals.com/austin/stories/2005/02/21/daily14.html [bizjournals.com]
So yeah, patent trolling can be quite lucrative from a financial standpoint
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Re:Three words ... Initial Public Offering (Score:4, Interesting)
Still not the best example, but:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eolas#The_patent [wikipedia.org]
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They sued WHO? (Score:5, Interesting)
Methinks a couple of those plaintiffs are going to get dropped from the suit, quite quickly. Unless of course IBM wants to make an example of them (not out of the question), in which case they will have their patent forcibly invalidated, with maybe some Sherman Act sprinkled on top for good measure.
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Re:They sued WHO? (Score:5, Funny)
The fact that IBM's lawyers are colloquially known as 'Nazgul' should probably be more worrying to them.
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HP Omnigo 700lx, circa 1996 (Score:4, Informative)
HP OmniGo 700LX [daniel-hertrich.de]
Someone Making a Point (Score:5, Insightful)
Hmmm...maybe it is Vonage!
Wow is this thing broad (Score:5, Informative)
Here's the first the rest are an extensive list of variations on the theme:
1. A mobile entertainment and communication device for communicating with the Internet and remotely located telephones, comprising: a housing of a palm-held size; a cellphone provided in said housing, said cellphone adapted for selectively and wirelessly connecting to the Internet and remotely located telephones and adapted for controlling selection of at least one of (1) downloading data or uploading data from or to the Internet, or (2) downloading data to a computer or other electronic device and said cellphone having at least one of (1) voice controlled dialing, (2) a wireless earphone or (3) a wire connection jack earphone with a microphone for operation of the mobile entertainment and communication device; a memory operatively connected to said cellphone; a microprocessor operatively connected to said memory; said microprocessor adapted for storing data to said memory that is received from the Internet or a remotely located telephone; and a display panel operatively connected to said microprocessor, said display panel adapted for reproducing images or other data from at least one of said memory or the Internet, said other data including at least one of moving images, combined sounds and moving images, or music with or without images.
The whole thing looks like the product of a brainstorming session with everything under the sun included in the list.
The patent was filed on Nov 20, 2003. It lists an inventor but they haven't invented anything as far as I can tell only tried to be the first ones to list these items together in a patent application. In going over the list I doubt there's anything to terribly non-obvious in there. I'd be surprised if this isn't challenged rather than just paid out, but that's just an opinion and IANAL.
Patent Document is a Reqs Doc, Not Design (Score:5, Insightful)
It's trivial to list requirements. Actually solving the many problems in realising the requirements is where all the work is, and applications like this indicate nothing like that.
There is no technical detail here that indicates the patent applicant ever intended to make anything or worse - ever solved any of the problems involved in designing a product like this.
That's where I think the patent system fails - you can essentially patent a requirements document without ever needing to progress further. It's not rewarding an inventor, because an inventor would have either created a prototype or created a design sufficiently detailed to allow a prototype to be built.
Patents like this reward the wrong people.
requirements (Score:4, Informative)
The specification is to be in enough detail that one of ordinary skill in the art at the time the invention was made would possess sufficient knowledge to know how to make and use the invention based upon applicants disclosure. This does not mean that gate/circuit level designs are required, nor that enough detail must be present to enable a layman to make and use the invention or that the program code to implement the invention is required.
Examiners can do a 35 USC 101 rejection for enablement/best mode/in possession of the invention etc, if not enough detail is present to detail how to make/use the invention.
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patent lawyers (Score:4, Interesting)
every time i see cases like this, i have to wonder... do i just need shadier patent lawyers? or should i just rely on the people who review these things to be completely blind to all prior art?
Fails several tests for patent validity (Score:5, Insightful)
Apple (Score:4, Interesting)
And the other patents held... (Score:5, Informative)
Re:Prior art? (Score:5, Funny)
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Why this invention was not "obvious" (Score:5, Insightful)
But these trolls are describing a phone that not only had *each* of the features they claim, but in fact had *all* of them and still fit in a hand-held form factor. I'm pretty skeptical about the ability to fit a GPS device into a phone back in 2000 and still have it be hand-held, though hand-held GPS was certainly available. (I'm even more skeptical about the ability to have a satisfactory battery life if you did.) And I'm even more skeptical about the claim that they actually *did* reduce their concept of these devices to practice.
If you're not required to actually come up with the technology to build the thing, I'm perfectly able to imagine one of these things that fits in your ear canal and runs all year without recharging... So send me my check once you've built the thing.
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Re:Prior art? (Score:5, Interesting)
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Re:Prior art? (Score:5, Funny)
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Re:Prior art? (Score:5, Informative)
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Treo 600 (Score:5, Interesting)
Here's an IT Week Review [itweek.co.uk] of the Treo 600 dated November 6, 2003.
It sounds like they read the review and worked up a patent for it over the Thanksgiving holiday.
How about a new standard for patents - that if a patent is filed when a practitioner of the art would ordinarily know the patent to be invalid, and the patent is not withdrawn between the time of filing and the time of issue, that it's a criminal offense?
This is getting out of hand - not the least of which that it's over 4 years since filing for this patent to issue because the system is all gummed up with bogus patents.
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Re:They forgot to sue one party (Score:5, Funny)
I'd bet he could think of one particular angel that'd be suitable...
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