Swedish Police to Block Pirate Bay 398
An anonymous reader writes "The Swedish Police just can't seem to leave The Pirate Bay at bay. It's been a year and two months since the worlds largest torrent tracker, The Pirate Bay, was originally raided and shut down by police, and now they're at it again, but with claims of child pornography.
Brokep, over at The Pirate Bay (TPB), got a 'heads up' from a friend that the Swedish Police are going to put the site on its porn filter blacklist; this means anyone who tries to access the site from Sweden will get redirected to another site with a message explaining that they are not allowed to visit child pornography sites."
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Well, from the title alone, I haven't got a clue what it is. Are you suggesting that, although you know it is child pornography, I should still download it to find out? I hope not. Because if I download a torrent I am also uploading that torrent, and that would make me guilty of distribution of pornography which is considerably more serious than simply downloading it for my own use, but it would be a moot point because both could get me in trouble. But I go back to the title on the page that you have gi
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Turns out that while you were writing that, The Pirate Bay removed all those torrents. Gee, I wonder why?
And here, have some more words: http://www.wired.com/techbiz/media/news/2001/07/4
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OK. Let me clarify. Those who exploit children by forcing them to do something against their will are guilty of a crime. I think that is what your example was about. However, not every photograph taken of a child is the result of exploitation, or if it is, it can be with both the child's and parents' consent. That is, to my view, immoral but not necessarily illegal. The resulting photographs are not illegal. Therefore, the images shouldn't be banned because no crime is being committed.
I wasn't accusing you, per se, of anything at all. But if people look at photographs of clothed children and imagine them to be erotic images designed to arouse pedophiles then they should seek help. Children are not erotic images but, if someone thinks that they are, then they need help. The world is full of children and others, as I have pointed out. Unless they are doing something in particular to act in an erotic manner we must take them as they are. They are human beings and however they appear is entirely normal. The problem lies in those who are trying to say that a particular group (e.g. preteen clothed children) should not be photographed because that is wrong. It isn't. The fault lies in the opinion and emotions of those doing the viewing, not in the physical characteristics of the child.
If someone has reported a specific torrent I would assume that it will be viewed by TPB and checked. If it is NOT ILLEGAL IN SWEDEN then they can continue to host the link. It doesn't matter what the law states in the US (i.e. where your example came from), or anywhere else for that matter. Other nations should not impose their views on what pornography is upon Sweden, or anyone else for that matter. Each nation can reach its own decision and make the laws that it feels are appropriate. The problem with /. is that it tends to be US centric and many people quote US law and say such images are breaking the law. Perhaps they are in America, but the rest of the world doesn't care a jot about US law. We don't have to. The images being described vaguely on this thread are entirely legal in many parts of the world regardless of whether you, I or anyone who is not living in those countries might think. It might be that the complaints that have been made previously are referring to material that breaks the law in their own country but not in Sweden.
I stress that I am not accusing you of anything. But, quite understandably, you seemed to be declaring the images illegal without a. having personally seen them and b. not taking into account Swedish law which might differ from your own. If I have misunderstood I apologise.
If TPB have clear evidence that a specific individual was posting unsuitable material of any kind then I am not surprised that they pulled all of his torrents. We will probably find that they will cooperate with the police in providing any evidence that they may ask for. It would be in their own interests to do so. But just pulling torrents because someone is offended or objects to the content when no law has been broken is simply censorship by vigilante. I wouldn't want that, nor do I suspect would you.
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I'd call it "swiftly deleted", judging by the one hundred minutes between your post and the first post noting you link goes to a blank page.
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"To report child abuse or other similar unlawful activities please do so to your local authority. In Sweden you can contact ECPAT Hotline or email childabuse@rkp.police.se to report child abuse matters. Please do so."
If ECPAT and/or the Police has received complaints and seemingly ignored them in the past, it's either because they investigated them and found no illegal material (there are lots of misnamed torrents) or because they themselves put them there as a setup.
My money is on alternative #1.
Oh, and the reason that TPB wants you to report these kind of things to ECPAT and the Police is so they can investigate it and possibly apprehend the persons responsible. If they just delete the torrents without reporting it to the authorities, the Police are none the wiser.
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and if that didnt work , i'm sure TPB would have attracted the tax man, and if they were clean, Occupational health and safety (or equivalent).. until some random health officer finds an expired tub of yogurt in the fridge, or a parking warden finds their car parked 1cm over the line, they'd get shut down that using some obscure 18th century law...
My point is that if you throw enough sh*t, some of it will stick. There is a sig floating around slashdot that quotes along the lines of "give me 5 lines from the most honest man, and I will find a reason for him to hang"... or words to that affect....
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-- Cardinal Richelieu.
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Your idea of pornography and the legal values in your country don't necessarily apply in another. You should see our TV! /p>
Your suggestion that 'someone should step in to help us see that it is unacceptable' sounds like something the school bully might say. Mind your own business and sort out your own country. The people in Sweden have democratically elected their Government and it has made the appropriate laws. If you don't like them try not to cry too loudly.
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I fervently hold the opinion that those involved in child pornography ought to be neutered, but when the law gets abused by the state, then you know you're heading in a wrong direction.
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That is certainly a problem, though sadly not unpredictable. It seems you can do anything in government these days by claiming to support $HIGH_PROFILE_CAUSE: it used to be fighting child abuse, then it was fighting terrorism, then it was saving the planet. Naturally, most actions taken in the name of these causes do nothing of the sort.
On the other hand, one can't help but notice that if they had copyright laws that effectively prevented the abuse of copyright in the first place, then it wouldn't be nece
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How dare those jackbooted thugs be making life inconvenient for those who want to upload and download copyrighted materials without paying for them!
Whatever the rights and the wrongs of The Pirate Bay doing what they do with copyrighted material, this has nothing to do with the reason given by the police for blocking them. (Mis-)use of the law and unsubstantiated charges (child porn, or "Y") unrelated to the actual reason (piracy, or "X") is an ominous development, even if the original charge is worthy of prosecution. Mainly because it doesn't matter whether X is legal or not (it might just upset the government), or even if they've done anything at al
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Personally, I could care less if people listen to my music. Like I said, I don't make a dime off of it, so it's no skin off my back. But it will be interesting to see if this Swedish police nonsense has an impact.
I mean, after all, everyone knows torrents are only used for illegal activities like pirating software and spreading kiddy pr0n. Well, that and linux distro
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Slashdot probably needs a rating of "ironic". Putting TPB on a list of "Child Porn" websites, for political reasons. Somewhat defeats the object of having such a list. People might well wonder what else has been deliberatly misclassified.
This is a fairly common issue with commercial censorware. Do the Swedish police really want to be associated with "cowboy" software companies?
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Why not ? They are already associated with cowboy copyright organizations after the first Pirate Bay incident.
Re:think of the children! (Score:5, Funny)
Yeah, where are they going to get their free movies and music?
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I cannot understand how this can be moderated informative. It is nothing but a claim by an AC, without any references or arguments supporting it.
And the claim is wrong: After the mainstream press in Sweden has picked up this story, the swedish police has issued a press release [polisen.se] (in swedish), where they confirm that they intend to start blocking TPB next week if there is still child pornography to be found at the site. At least it is now official. (The police never contacted TPB, and the reason we knew abo
I wondered how soon this would happen... (Score:3, Interesting)
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Since you reminded me of the URL I went back and looked at some favourites from a couple of weeks ago but they seem to be gone, along with their tags.
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Ask for Piratebay's help in trying to track down the real source of the material or arrest and prosecute someone at Piratebay for criminal offenses.
That they've done neither means:
a) They know nobody at Piratebay had anything to do with this and they could never successfully prosecute them.
b) They don't really care about tracking down producers and distributors of child porn and are more interested in protecting business interests than children.
Of course the most reasonable explanation for their complete failure to properly carry out their jobs would be - they were lying to begin with.
It seems pretty damning of the Swedish Police whatever way you look at it. It's a shame that this sort of behaviour tarnishes the reputation of all the good officers along with the despicable ones.
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Pedophile material ? Please tell me what this "pedophile material" might be if it is not child porn ? And please also tell why tracking it is a crime or morally wrong, if it isn't child porn ?
But I gotta admit, "pedophile material" certainly sounds ominous. I guess it is to pedophilia what truthiness is to truth.
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Or even libel, dammit!
TPB have been warned about this many times. (Score:4, Informative)
I have followed the posting of this material on TPB for a long time, despite many complaints the administrators have done nothing.
The files have been easily accsseible for anyone and have not been hidden away.
Now the police is treating the site like any other site doing the same thing, and suddenly they are throwing a hissy-fit, just because they are The Pirate Bay dosent exempt them from this.
About time they do something about it.
(Sorry for my Swenglish.)
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The police maintains a VOLUNTARY blacklist that Swedish ISPs can use if they so choose. Many do, and believe it to be a SERVICE to their customers. Whether or not it is a service or a disservice depends on each customer, and it's bad that it's something many ISPs force on all their customers. It's ultimately up to the police to decide who gets on this blacklist and who doesn't, and I think in this case they abused this power.
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or really bothers anyone who hates censorship. Trivially easy to get around.
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Of course the workings of the censor are entirely secret, so no-one has any idea what we are being protected against. It might be genuine child abuse, or pictures of "models" wearing skimpy clothes. Given that the censor blocks web sites but no-one gets prosecuted, I suspect the latter.
All of
Re:TPB have been warned about this many times. (Score:4, Interesting)
Anyway, my main point is this: when your internet connection is being filtered, and you have no way to know if a site is down or if your ISP is actively blocking you from visiting it, it's worrying.
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Fully clothed kids in "provocative" poses?
I mean if were going to censor every image which could possibly turn on a pedophile we'll have to outlaw pictures of children altogether. You've got to draw the line somewhere and say that what some pervert gets out of a picture is not the defining principle of what should be legal.
What's next . . . outlaw search engines?
Re:TPB have been warned about this many times. (Score:5, Insightful)
The original intention of most child pornography laws was to prevent the sexual abuse of children, not to ban pictures that make people feel creepy.
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I feel like sending them and email (Score:2)
...and telling them that they have misspelt pornografic. Probably have to pay somebody to rebuild stop_eng.jpg
Its not clear to my why they use an image there. Suggestions?
Fairly nice code, otherwise.
We need to find a truely safe country (Score:5, Insightful)
1.Has a stable government
2.Doesn't care what the "western world" (i.e. the big US corps) have to say and doesn't enforce "western IP rights"
3.Has no non copyright laws laws that would make a site like PirateBay illegal
4.Can be connected to the internet via a sufficiently fast pipe or pipes
and 5.Has sufficiently advanced infrastructure in other areas like electric power and such that one could host there.
Find such a country (if one even exists) and host all the stuff like DeCSS, DeAACS, UnFairPlay, UnPlaysForSure, Transformers - DVD RIP - XvID, Windows Vista Ultimate - BootISO and other "illegal" crap there.
Russia would have made a good choice until the US forced them to enforce US IP rights in exchange for WTO membership.
Do any such countries exist? What would the "copyright cops" do if they found a "pirate bay" type site in a country that refused to enforce "western IP rights"?
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I don't think so but you could create your own. How about calling it the isle of slash? [xkcd.com]
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Good luck with that.
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Probably not anymore.
What would the "copyright cops" do if they found a "pirate bay" type site in a country that refused to enforce "western IP rights"?
Send ICBMs.
Re:We need to find a truely safe country (Score:4, Interesting)
I also against however DRM, and DMCA, and think the DRM anti-circumvention laws are deeply unethical and go against many of the principles of a free society, by banning the distribution of intellectual works (software) oneself has produced and owns the copyright on. Media companies have demanded hardware and software to include restrictions whereby a consumer cannot even make a copy for personal archival purposes of a work that they legally purchased, including perhaps transferring it to a different device that they own. All of this should be completely legal, a person should be able to make as many copies of something they purchase for their own personal use as they wish, including transferring a video from their DVD to a VCR, or from their computer to ipod for instance. Obviously these were overintrusive restrictions which took away some very natural rights people should have to be able to personally use things they have purchased. It is understandable that there has been work to work around this technology, if only so people could truly legitimately use the videos and other material that THEY bought on their own equipment in their own homes, such as playing a DVD on their Linux machine or making some extra copies of the DVD in case one got scratched. It was a further outrage that this very understandable workarounds which really wasnt stealing anything from anyone, just allowed people to use what they bought for their own personal uses, was made illegal by DMCA. The DMCA was a further outrage since, I believe it contradicts the first amendment by making it illegal to distribute software works oneself has produced. It is a lot like saying, you are not allowed to distribute you wrote books which have certain plot lines. In case, what should be the completely legal distribution of software, which truly violates no ones copyright, and simply allows consumers to use the DVD and other items for their own personal use on their own software and hardware, illegal. DeCSS and other such software have completely legitimate and legal uses, and for most that is the only use they have, so they can easily archive and store, and view DVDs on their system, for their own person al use and convenience. they are not distributing them with anyone else.
We already have laws to protect copyright holders, if a copyrighted work is being resold in an illegal manner. The DRM nonsense and the DMCA goes quite a bit too far and is rather unneeded given copyright law already provides the tools necessary to prevent illegal redistribution among different parties of copyrighted material.
I have heard the point made that the recording companies due to take an awfully large cut off the music sales from artists, to the point where artists make very little off the sale. if this is true then perhaps there should be more independant labels, and the internet has made setting up such a company and distributing and advertising music even eisier to do than it was previously. Indeed, we need to support Net Netreuality so ISPs could not basically turn the internet into an online-version of MTV, or a modern reincarnation of AOL, where content from major corporations would be given preferential treatment, those who can pay not only for interconnectivity into their own office, but also for that of all of the hundreds of end user ISPs. This is very dangerous and threatens to destroy the internet as a medium where anyone
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1 Has a stable government.
which usually implies a strong position in world trade and good relations with its major trading partners
2.Doesn't care what the "western world" (i.e. the big US corps) have to say and doesn't enforce "western IP rights"
but does care about providing fan service to the american who wants to max out on western media? even when it exposes the regime to violent - internal - cultural and religion reaction?
Antigua? (Score:3, Interesting)
Here's hoping it isn't, and that they meant it.
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Here's how it works. (Score:5, Informative)
If you use an ISP that does not subscribe to this list, nothing happens. If you don't use the DNS that your ISP supplies, nothing happens. You're not blocked from the content, your DNS lookup is hijacked in some sort or attempt at policing the internets.
It's kinda hard to say that the idea was bad from the start, but I can't say it was very good either. However, what we have now is a perfect example of the slippery slope in action. There is a censoring system in place, and someone decides to use it for their own agenda. Annoying, but in the end everyone that cares is just gonna switch away from their ISP's DNS servers to open alternatives such as http://www.opendns.com/ [opendns.com]
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And people wonder why governments impose draconian laws allowing them to spy on and record people's personal use of the Internet...
Boiling frog, etc. (Score:2, Insightful)
Despicable police corruption (Score:3, Insightful)
It's not about downloading copyrighted works either, it's only about payback for not being able to find any evidence
of any wrong doing and the embarrassments this has caused them.
Of course this was done with the 'help' of the BSA, MPAA and RIAA, i'm just waiting for them to
brag how thier 'influence' has 'saved the world' (and the children, of course) again.
This even goes beyond just despicable corruption and right into treason,
forsaking their own laws and people for some foreign cooperate payoff.
Well time to mail: childabuse@rkp.police.se [mailto] and tell them
how little we like corrupt, treasonous, scumm of the earth police abusing their power.
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Here in Finland we have the same system in place as the Swedish. The police keeps a secret list of sites and their ip-addresses that they claim serve child pornography, and the ISPs will use this list to filter these sites in voluntary basis. I would say in this case voluntary means "voluntary" as all ISPs are using the list to filter out content, and all though there is no law regarding this list and it's usage, it's still a form of government inflicted censorship as when this subject was in conversation, basically everybody that was against this system were pointed out to be supporters of child pornographers. In my mind the system in place in both Finland and Sweden are illegal and they are against our constitutions. It's just to bad that nobody has had the stand up and but the system and it's sponsor in court.
I think that the whole system is wrong, and definitely think putting TPB to it is very wrong, but then again if the Swedish police could be so stupid as to but TPB to the list, there would be some strong case for TPB to take the matter in to a court on basis of illegal government censorship. Even thought the government is not breaking the letters of the constitution they definitely are breaking the spirit of the constitution and the freedoms it grants.
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Humanity thanks you, Sweden and China! (Score:5, Informative)
Regardless of what you think about TPB, this is just state-mandated censorship.
They couldn't shut down TPB with legal means so they decided just to try and shut it down anyway.
Everything on TBP is also reachable from google. So assuming this isn't politically motivated, google is next. Right?
But the headline is inaccurate: Access to TPB won't actually be blocked, thepiratebay.org just won't resolve to TPB's servers, instead you will be routed to some other site. And only if your ISP is one of the 15 that has agreed to do this (although these ISPs share between themeselves the majority of the swedish broadband-market).
Using a different dns-server or simply adding
83.140.176.146 www.thepiratebay.org
83.140.176.146 thepiratebay.org
85.17.40.227 tracker.thepiratebay.org
85.17.40.228 a.tracker.thepiratebay.org
85.17.40.228 vip.tracker.thepiratebay.org
85.17.40.228 tv.tracker.thepiratebay.org
85.17.40.227 tpb.tracker.thepiratebay.org
85.17.40.68 open.tracker.thepiratebay.org
83.140.176.156 torrents.thepiratebay.org
83.140.176.148 static.thepiratebay.org
83.140.176.149 rss.thepiratebay.org
83.140.176.150 upload.thepiratebay.org
85.17.40.68 tracker.prq.to
85.17.40.227 tpb.tracker.prq.to
85.17.40.228 tv.tracker.prq.to
83.140.176.146 trackerwww.prq.to
83.140.176.146 www.thepiratebay.se
83.140.176.146 thepiratebay.se
83.140.176.156 torrents.thepiratebay.se
83.140.176.148 static.thepiratebay.se
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Thank you Sweden and China! Safe at last!
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But this is plain wrong. And smart at the same time. You see, people are predisposed to think more about some situations, and reply automatically to other situations. What the powers-that-be want here, is automatic answers, and no discussion.
Let's try:
Police: "Is hosting links to copyrighted content illegal"?
Public: "Well hmmm... that's something to think about. The border definitely isn't clear. We can discuss it"
Police: "Is sharing your personal collection of CD-s with your online friends illegal?"
Public: "Well, sharing has always been going on, even before the Internet was round. We did mix-tapes etc. Of course the scale of it demands a discussion.. The border isn't clear again.. "
Police: "They host CHILD PORN. We should block them"
Public: "OH YEAH! Definitely, block 'em right now! Monsters!"
if there isn't any... (Score:3, Insightful)
I knew it - predicted this a few weeks ago. (Score:3)
I totally called this.
Earlier Slashdot post. [slashdot.org]
Food for conspiracy theories (Score:5, Interesting)
http://www.thelocal.se/article.php?ID=3969&date=2
2.An anti-copyright website run by some of the same people as the ones who run The Pirate Bay was placed on this list a few weeks ago because the front page had an animation of a naked kid doing the "Copy Me" dance. There was absolutely nothing pornographic about this animation (see for yourself: http://kopimi.se/ [kopimi.se] ), which the attorney told Stefan Kronqvist, head of the IT crime section of the Swedish police, while they told him to remove the website from the blacklist after the people behind the website had made a formal complaint. They also sent a mail to Kronqvist requesting financial compensation for the time their website had been blocked but received no reply. Rumours say that Stefan Kronqvist is not a fan of The Pirate Bay.
http://swartz.typepad.com/texplorer/2007/07/polis
3. The US Chamber of Commerce recently arranged a seminar for pro-copyright lobbyists in Sweden with the title "Sweden - a safe haven for pirates?". In this seminar a guy from a Danish anti-piracy organisation explained how great it was to use child pornography as an argument to establish the principle that information carriers like websites and ISPs must be responsible for the information they distribute. Once that principle was established it could easily be extended to cover things like copyright infringement as well. He higly recommended lobbyists in other countries to use the same technique.
http://forum.piratpartiet.se/Topic79221-15-5.aspx
Most of the links are in Swedish, sorry about that.
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Re:Swedish police have that much control? (Score:4, Insightful)
Yeah right, because Sweden IS Europe.
But hey... don't let that stop you making stuff up, to fit your view of the world.
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It's fascinating how when European administrations punish Microsoft — one of the most powerful US corporations in existence — significantly for their monopoly abuse, there is a string of comments saying it's great that Europe can do what the US DoJ didn't because Microsoft aren't so influential here; yet when one European nation's government acts against a site that is flagrantly helping people to violate all kinds of laws that are recognised almost everywhere in the developed world, there's a w
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Both are wrong but don't make out the US is any better with this sort of thing.
Re:Swedish police have that much control? (Score:4, Interesting)
If the US and Europe are interested in protecting the children, they would be better off spending some money to stop child prostution in asia, instead of busting 10 basement-dwelling pedophiles and making a big fuss of it.
Re:Swedish police have that much control? (Score:5, Interesting)
Banning TPB however is not going to work, what "works" is using the evidence to track the producers & regular consumers down. Unfortunately it ain't gonna happen, one of the problems is that some of these people also walk the halls of power, as they found in Denmark in the 90's, no funds - no investigation. It's not just the EU, remeber the guy in congress who liked 14yo boys and "championed" the sex offenders list. If you think about that last one the intent would seem to be to trivialise "sex offender" by lumping porn lovers, streakers, skinny dippers, ect in with rapists, pedophiles and the child slave "trade".
Disclaimer: I also realise what constitutes a child can sometimes lead to gross injustice [wikipedia.org] (surely that poor bastard is more deserving of a comute than Libby?).
Re:Swedish police have that much control? (Score:4, Insightful)
More importantly, nature declares when boys and girls are ready to have sex. Amazingly, you will never catch your eyes drawn to a little girl who hasn't reached the age of nature's declaration (unless you really are a pedophile) but we've all seen jailbait nature has declared fit. It's easy to tell with girls, they start bleeding and develop a figure.
That is one thing, the worst thing about the wilson case is the aggrevated rape thing. Because it was oral sex and not simply an 'indecent act'? What is this the 1700's? Do we really still live in a naive world where we must pretend there are types of sex that are bad?
Re:Swedish police have that much control? (Score:5, Insightful)
Even "real" pedophiles (attracted to pre-pubescent children) aren't harming anyone just by looking at child porn. They are only encouraging the creation of cp if they pay for it or trade. You can tell yourself that they just need some therapy, but you'd be lying, because therapy often does absolutely nothing! Pedophiles have a horrible problem that's a huge burden for them, and child porn is a harmless victimless way to deal with their feelings. Pedophilia should be treated more like cancer or autism, not murder!
Did you know that even simulated cp, including drawings, is currently illegal in the United States despite the Supreme Court already deciding twice that such laws are unconstitutional? Does that not sound like irrational hatred to you?! It's not going to help anyone to call pedos sickos and freaks and say they need harsher punishments and more therapy.
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Strange sort of explaining the workings of Swedish police and democracy.
No law, no fault in EU (Score:5, Insightful)
God damn, there maybe many faults in EU, but don't make up lies to oppose it.
Re:This isn't necessarily bad. (Score:5, Interesting)
Nope. TPB does not host any illegal content. All they have on there site is what is ostensibly text files saying "this guy (ip address) has this file (file name)"... thats really all there is to it. Nothing illegal under their laws, no matter that file or ip address it actually says. Torrent actually makes it easier to track people who do host child porn because the police can just download the torrent and then leach the porn whilst grabbing the ip addresses of the people who have it. A quick look up and raid later and you have yet another peado in prison.
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No. They do, however, act as a middleman, introducing people to each other who have. Generally speaking, legally, this would make them an accessory or accomplice to the crime. A valid defense would be either being completely unaware that it was occurring, or doing everything they could reasonably be expected to do to stop it happening. In this particular case, it would be hard to determine exactly how much effort they should be expected to go to. Their curren
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But as you said, legal. There are lots of websites with galleries of that kind of stuff. If you want to ban sites because they make you feel uneasy, you're a long way down the slippery slope.
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As evidenced by this mess they have gotten themselves into.
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First off, is there any evidence that they were shut down because of "teen model pics"?
Secondly, are you suggesting that they deserve what they get because they hosted legal but objectionable content? Is it acceptable censorship to deny access not only to sites that host child pornography but also to sites that may attract pedophiles? What is the legal standard here... the creepiness standard?
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Exactly. So if you want to fuck with someone, you label them as a pedophile (sorry, I can't spell ephebophile either), then no one dares to stand up for them.
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Ample opportunity? If we can believe TFA:
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