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Pirate Bay Launches Uncensored Image Hosting 461

Spamicles writes "The guys over at the Pirate Bay have launched a new, censorship-free image hosting website called BayImg. Users of the new service don't have to sign-up in order to upload images. However, they can assign a 'removal code' to uploaded images, in case they want to delete the files after a while, and tags to categorize images. BayImg currently supports 100+ file formats, and supports uploading Zip and Rar archives. The maximum file size of uploads is 100MB. The article also discusses TPB's plans for launching a video streaming service that will potentially compete with YouTube."
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Pirate Bay Launches Uncensored Image Hosting

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  • by Deekin_Scalesinger ( 755062 ) on Thursday June 21, 2007 @03:10PM (#19598601)
    To be immortalized thusly..
  • well... (Score:5, Insightful)

    by wpegden ( 931091 ) on Thursday June 21, 2007 @03:12PM (#19598627)
    People are going to like them a whole lot less if this turns into a big child porn site.
    • Re:well... (Score:5, Informative)

      by swingkid ( 3585 ) on Thursday June 21, 2007 @03:17PM (#19598689)
      But since you can't just browse the images, the only people who would see the child porn are child porn enthusiasts, and the feds who investigate them. So it's unlikely that you'd hear about it, unless you were into that stuff. In which case, ew, you perv...
      • Re:well... (Score:4, Interesting)

        by swingkid ( 3585 ) on Thursday June 21, 2007 @03:20PM (#19598737)
        It seems they have tagging for images, so I guess I'm wrong about browsing. My bad.
        • Re:well... (Score:5, Informative)

          by Amouth ( 879122 ) on Thursday June 21, 2007 @03:26PM (#19598839)
          no but they do state right at the front page

          "As long as your pictures are legal they will be hosted here"

          so sence child porn is illigal it will be taken down if noticed
          • Re:well... (Score:5, Insightful)

            by Maxo-Texas ( 864189 ) on Thursday June 21, 2007 @03:34PM (#19598961)
            Depends.

            In England 17 is legal. The legal age varies a lot. In some countries it is higher- in some countries it is lower.

            The model's apparent age varies a lot too. How can you trust what looks like a 14 year old isn't really an under developed or made up 18 year old?

            And it just needs to be enough to get them into court so they have to spend money defending themselves. Heck, in some cases you can arrest them and force them to post bail and can hold them for months if they can't post bail.

            • Re: (Score:2, Informative)

              by Anonymous Coward
              In England 17 is legal.

              actually its 16
              • Re:well... (Score:5, Informative)

                by Dogtanian ( 588974 ) on Thursday June 21, 2007 @04:21PM (#19599623) Homepage
                Grandparent: In England 17 is legal.

                Parent: actually its 16

                It depends what you're talking about; the age of consent in England *is* 16, but I believe that to appear in adult material you have to be at least 18. (I remember hearing that apparently Samantha Fox - a 1980s "page 3" [wikipedia.org] star- was 16 when she did her first shoots, and they commented that this would not be legal nowadays. Note that page three is topless, and no more).
            • Re:well... (Score:4, Interesting)

              by illegalcortex ( 1007791 ) on Thursday June 21, 2007 @04:04PM (#19599359)
              Just curious, but is it legal for photography/video? And is it legal for downloading said materials of people that age?

              Because even in states in the US where it's legal for two underage people to have sex, it's usually not legal for them to make photographs/video and distribute them.

              Too lazy to try to google the answer. And kind of scared of what results I might get...
              • Re: (Score:3, Funny)

                no, it's not legal. Also, if the model LOOKS under 18 and the image is distributed/created with the intention of it looking that way, that's probably illegal too. Purely digitally generated 'child porn' is illegal. As is modifying adult porn to make it look like child porn.

                Now, if you'll excuse me, I have to attend to my appearance, gotta look my best for all those cameras...
                • Re: (Score:3, Informative)

                  by J'raxis ( 248192 )

                  Wrong [wikipedia.org], in the US at least.

                  (They were able to get another bill passed, but it contains that oft-seen "lacks serious scientific, literary, artistic, or political value" clause that fortunately renders the law very hard to enforce.)

                • Also, if the model LOOKS under 18 and the image is distributed/created with the intention of it looking that way, that's probably illegal too.

                  In America, this is legal. In the UK, it's not [wikipedia.org].

                  The Child Pornography Protection Act was passed in 1996 in America which banned any image that "is, or appears to be, of a minor engaging in sexually explicit conduct." In Ashcroft v. Free Speech Coalition [wikipedia.org], the Supreme Court struck down the law. The justices wrote: In particular, it prohibits the visual depiction o
              • Re:well... (Score:5, Interesting)

                by coaxial ( 28297 ) on Thursday June 21, 2007 @07:55PM (#19602359) Homepage
                [Ed. Note. For full effect, you should imagine this being read by the always helpful June Thomas [odeo.com]]

                Actually the age criteria for nude photography is a bit more complicated than a simple inequality. You can photograph anyone regardless of age (assuming of course you have his/her and/or his/her parrent/guardian's informed consent), as long as it's not in a "sexually explicit or lude and lascivious manner." This why you can have pictures of naked babies, children's genetalia in medical or sex-ed books, even in art. If the photographs or video are in sexual manner, then you have to 18.

                How do you know where to draw the line when prosecuting child porn cases? In practice you don't have to define the exactly where the line is. A video of a grown man ejaculating on a nude 5 year old's face is pretty good indication, of that video being on the wrong side of the law. Same for a photo of 10 year old spreading her labia for the camera.

                So how do investigators know that the individidual in the photograph or video is a real person that is under 18 years of age at the time of recording? Easy. The FBI and the National Center for Missing and Exploited Children have an incredibly large collection of child porn. Like all porn, child porn is shared widely and has a very long life time. Investigators look for previously identified bonafied child porn, and prosecute on those instances. New suspected child porn is identified by medical doctors, who examine the material an give an expert opinion of whether the individual is underage. (Yes, they also maintain a database of false positives.)

                When it comes to possession, posession is illegal. While it may be a dubious comfort, the US Attorney probably won't prosecute you for each individual photo or video in your 100 GB pr0n collection, but rather for just a two or three photos or videos. I say it's dubious, because you'll still be going to jail for a long long time.

                And before anyone gets the wrong idea. I recently served on a federal grand jury. The Assistant US Attorney explained the law to us.

                In an unrelated case, he ran a DEA video explaining -- in detail -- three methods used to manufacture methamphetamines. Yes. You could take notes. ;)
              • Re: (Score:3, Insightful)

                I read a news story a couple of months back, about a teenaged couple in FL that were convicted on child porn charges b/c of a home video they made of themselves. They were 16 and 17 at the time, if memory serves correctly. So, the law of the land in the US is still 18 to make porn.
    • Re: (Score:3, Insightful)

      by cromar ( 1103585 )
      It's sad that the harbors of Freedom are sent underground like this. I would rather be able to see the filth of society clearly than have it skulk by unnoticed, whatever the forum.
    • Re:well... (Score:5, Informative)

      by Liselle ( 684663 ) <slashdot@lisWELTYelle.net minus author> on Thursday June 21, 2007 @03:19PM (#19598723) Journal
      From the damned front page of the site:

      bayimg.com is a place where you can host all your images. We do not censor them. We believe in freedom of speech, it's of utter importance to us. As long as your pictures are legal they will be hosted here, but we reserve the right to remove images due to technical reasons though.
      Did I miss the memo where child porn became legal in Sweden?
      • Re:well... (Score:5, Insightful)

        by Goaway ( 82658 ) on Thursday June 21, 2007 @03:29PM (#19598887) Homepage
        Oh, so by "uncensored" they meant "just about as censored as always"?

        Well, I guess they might survive a little longer, then.
        • Re:well... (Score:5, Insightful)

          by AdmiralWeirdbeard ( 832807 ) on Thursday June 21, 2007 @03:53PM (#19599191)
          Restricting images for legality is different than censoship in the common parlance. censored for appropriateness of content, or type of image, or anything else that the various previously existing hosting site censor for is an invasive filtering that goes a level above simply saying, "hey please dont upload anything illegal." And given what the pirate bay does, i think we can safely assume that they're concerned less with the minutae of libelous or offensive images than not going to jail as part of a kiddie-porn ring.
          saying "we're going to censor your images so we dont go to jail" is totally ok in a way that saying "we're going to censor your images for things we dont like" is not.
          • Re:well... (Score:5, Insightful)

            by MBGMorden ( 803437 ) on Thursday June 21, 2007 @03:59PM (#19599287)
            Yes but that kinda defeats the point.

            As another poster mentioned would this mean much if "The Chinese Pirate Bay" opened it's "uncensored" and couldn't show a picture of the Taiwanese flag?

            Or if "The Iranian Pirate Bay" opened the "uncensored" site that couldn't show a boob?

            Uncensored generally means unrestricted. If you're doing it as a way of promoting freedom from an oppressive government, then saying "We're only gonna leave uncensored what the government will let us." doesn't really do much. I could have done that without the help of a new and nifty website.

        • Re:well... (Score:5, Insightful)

          by Anonymous Coward on Thursday June 21, 2007 @04:01PM (#19599317)
          By "uncensored", they mean "we don't care if it's copyrighted by someone else", of course. It's The Pirate Bay, not hard to figure this one out.
      • Re:well... (Score:5, Insightful)

        by computational super ( 740265 ) on Thursday June 21, 2007 @03:32PM (#19598925)
        As long as your pictures are legal they will be hosted here

        Isn't that, er, the definition of censorship? Censorship = Banned by such-and-such government, ergo illegal? By this logic, over-the-air radio and television is "censorship free", even in China, since they're broadcasting anything they want as long as it's legal.

        • by Liselle ( 684663 )
          Yep. Uncensored is a misnomer, but the salient point is that it's unlikely this place will have any more child porn problems than other image-hosting sites do, because they will still presumably be enforcing legality.
        • Re: (Score:3, Insightful)

          by Kjella ( 173770 )
          There's a difference between having an unpopular opinion and expressions that are meant to do other things - like yelling fire in a crowded theater, deceptive marketing, committing fraud, death threats, handing over classified information to foreign nations and so on. Those have clear and direct links to causing other people harm.

          Let's argue the other way around, that child pornography was protected speech but clearly child molestation would not be. What just happened? Well, you just put a lot more money in
      • Re:well... (Score:5, Interesting)

        by Kadin2048 ( 468275 ) * <.ten.yxox. .ta. .nidak.todhsals.> on Thursday June 21, 2007 @03:46PM (#19599121) Homepage Journal
        Did I miss the memo where child porn became legal in Sweden?

        I know nothing about Swedish law, but it's entirely possible that they define both "child" and "pornography" differently than in the U.S., creating a space where something is legal if it's on a Swedish webserver, but not if it's in one in the U.S. (Actually, I think there are a number of respected, non-pornographic films that contain nudity that fall into this area.)

        Anyway, if they want to avoid getting constantly raided by the local gendarmes, they should probably create some sort of "Foreigner's Guide to Swedish Obscenity Law" so that people can at least have a shot at knowing what's illegal before they upload it.

        In particular, aside from pornography which is the obvious one, I wonder about extreme animal cruelty (there is some downright disgusting stuff out there, and to be honest I find it more offensive than most of the run-of-the-mill CP). I kinda hope the Swedes make that illegal, since I think its presence does encourage its creation -- some dickhead sees another dickhead gain some sort of minor notoriety online by setting a kitten on fire and decides to emulate them. Since animals are more easily available and even more vulnerable than children, and the disincentives against hurting them are less, it doesn't take much.
    • Youtube doesn't just censor pr0n that people complain about - they also censor copyright violation. It's possible that Pirate Bay is doing this as a pr0n site, but my guess given their history is that their intention is more about giving people a place to post movie clips and other material that violates various locations' copyright rules. (Of course, some of that's pirated pr0n movies as well...)


      They're currently Slashdotted, so I can't see their site's comments about itself.

    • No, just the world's largest collection of GOATSE images.
  • by Valdrax ( 32670 ) on Thursday June 21, 2007 @03:13PM (#19598641)
    I can't see this thing both:
    1) Holding true to the principles of no censorship whatsoever.
    2) Not being immediately shut down when some troll posts necro-pedo-beastility images as part of some SA vs. Fark vs. 4chan contest to find the most simultaneously illegal and offense image to post.
    • Re: (Score:3, Informative)

      by J'raxis ( 248192 )

      Looks like its hosted in Sweden and the domain is registered to a Swedish address via a German registrar.

      • I can't think of a country that doesn't have some law SOME where that will be broken in the commission of running a completely censorship-free site. Even if it wasn't hosted in Sweden, Swedish law was going to apply to them since the company is based out of Sweden.

        I think this will be an interested exercise in which happens faster.
        1) The Pirate Bay compromises their morals.
        2) Law enforcement shuts down The Pirate Bay on charges that will stick.

        Honestly, I really expect Swedish law enforcement -- which ha
    • Easy (Score:4, Interesting)

      by Colin Smith ( 2679 ) on Thursday June 21, 2007 @03:23PM (#19598789)
      Publish the date, time and ip address of every upload. No censorship.
       
      • Re: (Score:3, Insightful)

        by J'raxis ( 248192 )

        I just posted [slashdot.org] that they should actually try to go out of their way to make sure they're not logging such information, in order to protect their users. No anonymity means many people will still engage in self-censorship, not publishing something for fear of the consequences it could entail. But from a liability standpoint, your idea is probably better. Considering the existence of things like Tor, open proxies and the like, anyone who isn't absolutely clueless could still use the service and be relatively sa

      • TOR (Score:5, Insightful)

        by Valdrax ( 32670 ) on Thursday June 21, 2007 @03:33PM (#19598945)
        Publish the date, time and ip address of every upload. No censorship.

        Post it via TOR or some anonymizer. Unless they ban all IP associated with such tools (which even sites under dedicated troll assault like 4chan can't do), that's no guarantee for the hardcore.

        Still, it's an idea that I find amusing for deterring the casual bad actor.
    • From the main page [bayimg.com]:

      As long as your pictures are legal they will be hosted here

      It appears to me that they plan to censor to some degree (I'm not sure what they consider "illegal").
      • There are imageboard sites out there with essentially a full-time troll culture -- often dedicated to invading other sites -- that will do their dead-level best to make this impractical. I don't think The Pirate Bay has really considered just how much effort monitoring a self-touting, "censorship free" site that allows porn is going to be.

        They're pretty much doomed. It'll be an interested self-implosion to watch.
  • Image files with 100MB? Seriously? That seems quite large, even for packing some images in one archive.
  • oh, cool (Score:3, Funny)

    by superwiz ( 655733 ) on Thursday June 21, 2007 @03:18PM (#19598711) Journal
    more free porn
  • by vivaoporto ( 1064484 ) on Thursday June 21, 2007 @03:18PM (#19598713)
    Just to upload this video [youtube.com].

    Do what you want 'cause a pirate is free .. You are a Pirate!!!!
  • "Do Be Evil" vs "Don't Be Evil"
  • Tracking users? (Score:2, Insightful)

    by J'raxis ( 248192 )

    This is good, but if they really want to make it safe for users they should:

    • host it over HTTPS to avoid the possibility of third-party snooping on what people are uploading and downloading;
    • make absolutely sure their hosting server isn't retaining logs of IP addresses and timestamps;
    • and for reliability, have some sort of back-up hosting ready to go if they get shut down where it's now hosted (Sweden), and maybe even a few extra domain names on standby if their registrar decides to bow to pressure to get
    • Well, they're not really trying to make a 'safe' upload site for users--just an uncensored one.
      They're not promising the integrity of the pictures, in the event of a failure. They're not promising you won't be held responsible by third parties for what you've uploaded. They're promising that they won't remove your pictures based on content, within the confines of the law. That's all. No more, no less.
      • by J'raxis ( 248192 )

        The problem there is that if people know they can get outed for what they uploaded, a lot of people might hesitate to upload media that they otherwise wouldn't. YouTube has been used to expose videos of police brutality before, some of which have been taken down on pretty flimsy excuses. Knowing that the host is not going to take it down is one encouragement. Knowing they also can't even find out who put it there, easily, would be even moreso.

  • before it gets overwhelmed by porn ads.... just took a look at it. it already happened.
  • ranking system (Score:4, Interesting)

    by superwiz ( 655733 ) on Thursday June 21, 2007 @03:30PM (#19598905) Journal
    Without some ranking system. At least as good as diggit, it will just become a trash land. It has no search mechanism, no ranking of content. No categorizing of content other than by unsearchable tags. As it stands, it is a little more than the beginning of another attempt at usenet.... except even less organized.
    • It seems like they're trying to create something that's more like an uncensored Photobucket.

      The fact that it's internally disorganized doesn't really matter, as long as you can get a static link to the hosted photo.

      I think the (idealistic) use case is something like this: I take a photo of some Authority Figure abusing their authority. I know that they'll dislike this, and will try to suppress its publication -- therefore ruling out sites like Flickr and Photobucket that will respond to a DMCA Takedown Noti
  • Losing their way? (Score:4, Insightful)

    by Turn-X Alphonse ( 789240 ) on Thursday June 21, 2007 @03:32PM (#19598933) Journal
    Piratebay keep acting like they are untouchable and the guardians of censorship, but it just seems they are trying to push the boundaries until thy get caught.
  • by A Friendly Troll ( 1017492 ) on Thursday June 21, 2007 @03:36PM (#19598991)
    Since they allow archives on the site, are people going to use this to upload and share warez? Or does the system scan uploaded archives and rejects non-images based on content?

    BTW, I visited the site about 10 hours ago, and the tag cloud was full of injected JavaScript - it was pretty much benign (only a couple of alert functions), but funny nevertheless, and seems like the whole thing was put together very quickly. They've fixed the problem now.
    • Re: (Score:3, Informative)

      by merreborn ( 853723 )

      Since they allow archives on the site, are people going to use this to upload and share warez? Or does the system scan uploaded archives and rejects non-images based on content?

      If you dig around in the tags for a bit, it becomes pretty clear that they extract the images from any compressed archives, and then throw the archive away. That is to say, you can upload an archive, and the images in it will be made available for download. The archive itself is never made available for download.

  • by blueZhift ( 652272 ) on Thursday June 21, 2007 @04:00PM (#19599307) Homepage Journal
    It seems to me that once again the question comes down to whether or not the freedoms of the many are going to be ripped away because of the misbehavior of a few trolls. There have always been people who abuse the system and cause grief wherever they go just because it is fun for them to aggravate people/authority/whatever. Does that mean that all of the rest of us have to live in chains? I think not. Humanity needs to learn that in order to have freedom, sometimes we have to allow people to do bad things and clean up the mess afterwards. There is no freedom to do good without also having the freedom to do evil. If we can't accept that, then we'd might as well give up all of this lip service to freedom and lock the handcuffs right now.
  • 100mb "images" including RAR/ZIP files? This site is designed to push back against the YouTube, Gmail, Megaupload sites and give people a public data cache they can rely on for more than video. I wouldn't be surprised if this is the first shot in a canny business strategy to make the next web 2.0 supersite, with Pirate Bay's essential idea being that of the remote public file cache as a precursor to the remote, public/private desktop.
  • In most places, though, active moderation by the administrator is the first step in accepting responsibility for all the content on the site. If they wanted to skirt that issue (and get a lot of maintenance help), they would allow users to tag something as "illegal" and let the images fall where the community feels they should.
  • I don't get it (Score:5, Interesting)

    by TitusC3v5 ( 608284 ) on Thursday June 21, 2007 @04:06PM (#19599379) Homepage
    Could someone please indulge me as to why there is such a dire focus on child pornography? It's a horrible crime, certainly, but I've never see the same status associated with other, and in my mind, just as horrible acts such as snuff films, brutal rape, torture, etc. Is this simply another act of 'think of the children' knee-jerking, or is there some reason why this is seen to be counted as worse than torture and murder by a large part of our population?
    • Re:I don't get it (Score:5, Insightful)

      by Hatta ( 162192 ) on Thursday June 21, 2007 @04:43PM (#19599995) Journal
      Could someone please indulge me as to why there is such a dire focus on child pornography?

      When people have children something hormonal happens to their brains that makes them lose all perspective when children are involved. Think of how irrational your parents were? I remember one time when my younger brother got a ride home and didn't call. He was less than an hour late, and my dad made me drive around with him looking for my brothers body in ditches at the side of the road.

      It's the Helena Lovejoy effect. Saying "think of the children" makes people revert to emotional thinking and makes them easier to manipulate. So it follows that if you're trying to grab power, appealing to the safety of children will make people fall in line.

      Personally it works the other way on me. Any proposal put forth "for the children", I automatically assume is bullshit. After all, if it had real merit they wouldn't need to manipulate us into going along with it. If someone involved in neuropsychology is looking for a good thesis, pinpointing exactly what is causing this effect would be wonderful.
      • Re:I don't get it (Score:4, Interesting)

        by managementboy ( 223451 ) on Friday June 22, 2007 @04:18AM (#19605743) Homepage
        Maybe a generation issue, my Father disappeared when he was 14 with his cousin who was 16 for several months as they where riding bike around northern Germany. He got in trouble when he got back, not for disappearing without saying anything, but for having skipped helping out at home.

        Times change, peoples problems change.
    • What's interesting is that I seem to recall this being fairly controversial in the late 70's/early 80's (although I was pretty young back then) whereas, now, mainstream popular opinion seems to have the law having been carved in stone by God and handed down to Moses. It looks to me like more evidence that people are essentially programmable - if you drum into their heads hard enough that "X is evil and X must be destroyed" (while simultaneously silencing all opposition - that's the key), then about 90% of

  • by dannycim ( 442761 ) on Thursday June 21, 2007 @05:10PM (#19600491)
    1) Backup to file.
    2) Encrypt file.
    3) Inject data stream into lossless image format.
    4) Upload image.
    5) Retrieve anywhere.
  • by zigamorph ( 991245 ) on Thursday June 21, 2007 @09:05PM (#19602989) Homepage
    "As long as your pictures are legal they will be hosted here"

    To be perfectly legal you have to have permisson from copyright holders. If you have a quick look around the site it seems improbable that this is the case for most of the pictures.

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