YouTube Blocked in Brazil 387
keeboo writes "The popular video sharing site YouTube is now blocked in Brazil due to a local court decision last Thursday. The site was ordered to block the uploaded sex videos of Brazilian media starlet Daniela Cicarelli and, although it complied, many users kept re-uploading it to the site. After the failure of YouTube to keep the video off of the site, the domain was blocked nationwide at a DNS level. Predictably, many Brazilians are annoyed and I've started to receive even SPAMs protesting on this blocking. From the article: 'The case now goes automatically to a three-member panel of judges who will decide whether to make the order permanent and whether to fine YouTube as much as US$119,000 (euro91,000) for each day the video was viewable, said Rubens Decousseau Tilkian.'"
Of course! (Score:5, Funny)
What, this video? (Score:4, Informative)
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-28835788
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I hope our children will forgive us, for leaving them a porn-less internets.
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No one (except Chuck Norris) can block teh Google!
Work around? (Score:5, Insightful)
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http://www.opendns.com/
Silly politicians, thinking they can block by hostname and keep the server inaccessable...
Only effective way to do it is by IP, and then you have to be sure to watch for IP changes.
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Fallopian tubes? [wikipedia.org]
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Fallopian tubes? [wikipedia.org]
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I pity those without a Scottish education. We learned about such things in our final year of primary school (age 11). And what's more, our elderly, sour-faced, authoritarian, right-wing puritanical female teacher managed not to rant too much about it being "not nice."
What is it with Western Protestant culture? Natural bodily functions are considered "bad."
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Well, I've been living in England for 10 years, and from what I can see, the public education system here is atrocious, especially where social topics are concerned, and from what I hear of America, what they call "education" there you could probably get from children's TV and Marvel comics.
Mainland Europe seems to be a bit better.
We still let our superstitions rule, though. Parents are allowed to excuse their children from certain lessons because of their "beliefs." The UK has the worst teen pregnancy pr
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None of this is necessary. The understanding of what makes for good education in both countries excels that of almost any other nation on Earth. The time spent in education in both nations is fantastic. Both have a thorough understand
Re:Work around? (Score:5, Informative)
No, it was not a DNS block. Brasil Telecom (serving south, center-west and part of the north) blocked it, probably using route or packet filters against youtube IP addresses.
There was a judge that ordered the video down and the remedy was decided by a justice from a state supreme court. Only it seems that the justice thought that he was ordering only the video down, because it seems he was told that carriers would just have to implement filters, which they are capable of doing (they are). According to an interview he gave, he thinks that those filters would only block that video.
I wrote about that in my crappy vox blog here [vox.com].
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I recently discovered that BrTurbo blocks, besides youtube now, nasa.gov and perform traffic shaping. They should have used the court decision as an excuse to stop users from using one of the biggest bandwidth consuming sites.
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uh, i was checking for research purposes.
What's more frightening (Score:3, Insightful)
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The inevietable obligatory question. (Score:3, Interesting)
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And almost all of it seems to have taken place at public places (i.e. beaches, parties etc.)
Isn't there a law (at least in the US) which states that you can't dispute against something that's been videotaped or photographed in a public place?
I mean, if you are going to do things out in public and a video of it appeared somewhere, is it necessarily wrong?
If you're that particular, get a damn
Re:The inevietable obligatory question. (Score:4, Funny)
I think it was the editing. That or she is missing out on something.
Re:The inevietable obligatory question. (Score:4, Informative)
2:26
4:07
It was pretty obvious what was going on in the water. (that's probably why they went in the water)
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I guess what I'm trying to say is that there is nothing explicit being shown, and so why go through all the trouble, especially when it's all being done out in public?
Re:The inevietable obligatory question. (WHY?) (Score:4, Funny)
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One should think before posting.
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And almost all of it seems to have taken place at public places (i.e. beaches, parties etc.)
I believe that wearing skimpy clothing to the beach is considered very scandalous in Brazil.
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So where's the money shot?
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Re:The inevietable obligatory question. (Score:5, Informative)
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You obviously watch too much porn.
They are having sex. Just because there's no close up of penetration, don't mean it ain't happening. You kids today are spoiled, what with your internets and your bittorrents... back in my day, we used to walk ten miles up the hill backwards in the snow, just to catch a peek at a bra in the Sears catalog, and it would give us stroking material for a week.
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Here's the video in question...I think.
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-55034987
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BMO
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Do not leave water standing about.
TYVM.
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BMO
For the next time... (Score:4, Funny)
Not so sure... (Score:4, Funny)
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No problem, no need to worry.
Please provide me your IP and I'll gladly forward it to the authorities so they can fix that.
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It is not blocked! (Score:2, Interesting)
Only 119,000 a day? (Score:4, Funny)
Intranet Brazil (Score:2, Insightful)
TFA doesn't mention DNS? (Score:2)
The article says that Youtube took down the video...
Publicity stunt? (Score:3, Insightful)
If she's merely a starlet, isn't it probable that this is all just a publicity stunt to help thrust herself into full-blown stardom?
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I think it's the guy who was doing the thrusting into the starlet. And why not?!?
As a brazillian (luckily ouside the country) (Score:3, Insightful)
on proving that law works (specially if it involves a personality or something that could have a world impact, like a sex video of
a famous brazillian star (that everyone has already viewed anyway)) while the semi-analphabet President keeps getting re-elected,
while the parliament keeps voting (under winning majority, of course) their own promotions and their own extended vacations, while people are struggling to get jobs or grounded at their homes while criminals lurk freely in the city at anytime....
"Brasil", *please* change for the good of your people, everytime you guys go investigate the flamed nail of a governor's wife a person dies or gets murdered
thank you for showing again that our country (even with loads of raw materials, opportunity from external companies, massive workforce) is still not ready for raising the bar. thank you
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I mean, c'mon, it's not like someone broke into her house to record some private sex.
The following actions were technically correct, but were made over a bad decision.
An exercise in herding cats (Score:5, Insightful)
Is an apt metaphor for this. My goodness, a well-known (sort of) "celebrity" gets videotaped having sex and somehow the video makes itself public! Shocked, shocked I am, that this would happen! You'd think that with so many of these incidents in the past that they might become just a bit cautious. Really, how hard is it to follow the simple ideas of:
a) Don't videotape yourself having sex.
b) If you do, invest in a safe. A very good one.
c) Don't have sex in public. No, really, people have cellphones now to shoot footage of interesting things like that, besides the ever-popular video cameras.
d) If you break up with someone, and you've taped yourselves having sex, get the tapes before walking out!
Because once it's out, it's out. Court orders, forcing various sites to remove it just don't work. All it does is add to the publicity. I'd be willing to bet that within a week (if that) you'll see the video all over the binary groups, P2P networks, bittorrent, and various pr0n sites. Blocking one site is simply an attempt to bail out the Titanic with a bucket - nice try, but it won't work.
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I'd say it's more like trying to get the water out of titanic by blowing holes in the bottom of the hull. The harder you try, the harder it gets.
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Um I assume there are two+ people in a relationship!
Slashdot Relationshiponomics.
Is it even possible for YouTube to comply? (Score:3, Insightful)
They can blacklist her name and all the various permutations that crop up, employ measures similar to the copyright enforcement they're still working on by attempting to automatically recognize the particular video, and on and on. People will still find ways to put it right back. It's going to be an endless cat and mouse game. Can anyone else think of a way to realistically keep the video off YouTube without moderating the whole shooting match?
The real problem is that their are thousands, if not millions of people whose attention is fixated on this video and they'll keep trying to distribute it. The only way this is going to go away is when people lose interest . . . which isn't going to happen any time soon now that there's constant media coverage because she was foolish enough to file suit. Daniela's best bet is to get over herself and take advantage of the fact she's now a world-wide household name. Paris Hilton wasn't nearly as famous until her sex tapes and look at how much she's been raking in ever since. Welcome to celebrity, Daniela--your privacy is now forfeit.
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Of course we're angry (Score:4, Interesting)
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AP can't say "kiss and have sex"? (Score:2)
From the article: wildly popular video showing Cicarelli and Brazilian banker Renato Malzoni making out along a beach near the Spanish city of Cadiz.
Uh, if you look at the video [google.com] (thanks to fellow slashdotters), they do a lot more than "make out".
Talk about PC bullshit...the video clearly shows them having sex in the water. Or is the AP full of very, very naive reporters? Or do Brazilians have a very loose definition of the term "make out"? :-)
Brazilian Media says the blacklist is not true (Score:4, Informative)
Read yourself (in Portuguese) at Folha de Sao Paulo [uol.com.br] or, use Google Translator [google.com] to translate it.
"The version of that all the YouTube would have of being removed of air arrived to be propagated by some Brazilian sites and international agencies in the thursday, but it was contradicted by the Court of Justice. Justice only determined that the YouTube hinders the propagation it video with Daniela Cicarelli."
Solution: (Score:2)
Burn it to DVD and copy x times
Pass out free copies of the video on the street and offer them for free in every public place you possibly can.
If you don't have access to dvds or don't want to pay for them, them simply print up fliers with a URL where the video can be downloaded and they can burn it and pass it out themselves.
when will people learn (Score:2)
i swear, it must be a golden rule of the universe, it never fails
all the brazilian government did was ensure even people who haven't the foggiest what the video is all about will now look at it
such as random slashdot readers like me
i'm reminded of rudy giuliani and an obscure artist/ artwork that... isn't so obscure anymore precisely b [wikipedia.org]
So... (Score:3, Informative)
Quite simple, really. Not sure if Youtube's videos will work (which would make it a useless workaround), but translating from (for example) Chinese Simplified to English will usually ensure you get non-altered text (it being a different character set the engine's looking for and all. You could also technically use one of the following IP's if it's just blocked at the domain level (Youtube's linking seems to be all relative):
208.65.153.242
208.65.153.245
208.65.153.251
208.65.153.253
208.65.153.241
And then there's the obligatory mention of Tor [eff.org].
Yes, I also realize that my first method is cruelly aligned to anglophones.
its not blocked (Score:2, Informative)
Cicarelli lawyers said bullshit as it would block google in Brazil, of course court order dimissed it and just asked google to comply.
Pornotube (Score:2)
Dangerous signs (Score:2)
There are more than enough people with power out there that will exploit it if it becomes commonplace to shut down wensites due to whaterver upsets someone. The real battle of this generation may be between the people that benefit from a lack of transparency,
What's the problem? (Score:2)
What's Google being sued for?
It's kind of a cute video. The couple makes out around their friends, who seem to be completely indifferent to it, like they've seen this before. They take pictures of each other. The girl looks at the camera a few times; she knows she's being recorded and is cool with it. Then they go off and have sex in the surf, and again, there's a glance towards the camera now and then. Good sex scene. No big deal.
I'm surprised there's any objection from Brazil about this. I'd e
There are only two endpoints (Score:2)
Today, I can record anything - anything at all - and post it on the Internet. If it is salacious or titilating, it will be redistributed. It seems to be the common belief if most posters that it is then impossible to take down or suppress.
There
This seems stupid (Score:2)
Secondly, if the gov't of Brasil wants it taken down... uh, okay, remove it from all Brasilian based servers. If they still aren't happy, redirect all page view requests to a Brasilian gov't website.
Anyone out there with bandwidth? Host a copy yourself. The Brasilian gov't can't require all countries, all websites etc. to remove the video... The Internet cannot be regulated by any single government.
BTW,
First the S.L. attack, now this... (Score:2)
(In related news, if you wish to avoid being taped having sex, not doing it in public helps)
Why, what, where, who, when (Score:5, Informative)
In Brazil, there have been over 3,510,804 norms and regulations published in the last 18 years alone. This averages 534 per day or 783 per work day (source,in Portuguese, here [ibpt.com.br]) (If you read Spanish, you read Portugese). Any corporation in Brazil is bound to have a gigantic body of lawyers. The whole system is about to collapse, but there's no sign of a legal reform. There are too many laws, and too many stupid decisions. Until recently, it was possible to maneuver in legal waters to a point that even trivial matters went to the Supreme Court. By trivial, I mean a dog biting the neighbour. Can you even imagine that in the U.S of A.? Also, judges here have too much power, it would seem. Even when they are complete and utter imbecils, as seems to be the case. Were I on a Brazilian blog, BTW, I would not dare say I thought the judge was an imbecil, though.
Also, there is such a thing in the civil code as "the right to one's own image." This means that you have the right to control the use of your image. However, it would seem that fucking in a public beach, when you are a celebrity of sorts would preclude to right to pledge the right to such right. Am I being clear? I mean, there have been all sorts of pornographic interpretation of individual rights. I recently witnessed a complete douchebag seriously threaten with a lawsuit a list moderator. The guy had been expelled because of bad behaviour, but he went on to take legal action on the ground his "right to expression" was being denied. I bet he's got a 50-50 chance of pulling it off, too. All sorts of weird shit like this in Brazil. Another fun one was a judge ruling spam was ok, because it didn't "waste any material resources" (that was circa 1996, though). Oh, yeah, and the Brazilian Constitution does not grant you the right to express yourslef anonymously. Huh.
There have been cases, for instance, of cartoonists being sued because of portraying politicians in what was judged to be "excessive" ridicule. Now, either that is the job of a cartoonist that specializes in political satire or I just really should be just as well living in Iran, Cuba or China. All this means is that Brazil, sadly, has little garantees of real freedom of expression. Just about every newspaper has to waste a huge amount of money and time in courts. I wouldn't say it would be wise to have a blog and express one's opinion as openly as people do in the United States, in Brazil. Chances are, they'll sue your pants off. Unless you are working in a big media outlet, you're dead meat. In a more shameful example, when NYT reporter Larry Rother suggested in an article that Brazil's president had a penchant for heavy drinking, the president and his acolytes considered actually banning Mr. Rother form the country. They went bananas.
We will live yet to see the day when Google gets blocked in Brazil, because they refused to remove a link to press material judged "offensive" to corrupt politicos. You'll see... There'll come a time I'll probably ask for political exile somewhere. When they ask me why, I'll answer: "Because living in Brazil fucks too much with my head and I'll become a mental case, sooner or later."
Right. Brazil's problems are Portugal's fault. (Score:3, Insightful)
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Actually, it is. I can't help but wonder why you would claim otherwise.
But where were the servers located?
The servers are in freaking Russia, just like the rest of the company. Ever heard of traceroute?
You are making statements that are directly contradicted by the facts of the matter. Why are you doing this?
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Agreed (Score:5, Insightful)
If the video was filmed without her (and his) consent, then I will say too bad. If you are in public, people can see you. If you don't want to be filmed, get a room.
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You're new here, aren't you?
Not really power (Score:3, Interesting)
All in all, I seriously doubt that even one judge thinks that Google has done wrong on any of these cases.
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Some interesting points:
I'm accessing youtube from Brazil right now. The judge's decision was not clear as to wheter only the video be censored for Brazil, or the whole site be blocked. Cicarelli's lawyer seems to think that the whole site should be blocked from all the 8 backbones that serve internet connectivity to Brazil. Nobody else seems to interpret the judge's decision that way. This issue will be clarified monday.
Renato Malzoni Filho is from a very rich and influent family (go figure). They are
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which ia precisely why it is becoming more difficult to find refuge in some foreign jurisdiction. arrogance wins you no friends. you want to maintain a presence in Brazil, you respect Brazilian law and customs.
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You mean just like the US thinks it has power over Russian companies? I'm sure you consider many of the actions silly, but on a general basis how the heck else are they going to enforce laws? Just ignore tha
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As much as I think the RIAA lawsuit against AllofMP3 is insane, let's be reasonable here.
The RIAA has not been awarded ANYTHING against AllofMP3. AFAIK, this lawsuit still has not seen the inside of a courtroom. It is possible that this lawsuit might be dismissed.
Other the other hand Google, probably has an actual business presence in Brazil, which means that Google then is clearly subject to Brazilian law. The issue seems to be
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One of the several places I just found it (not any of the well-known video hosting sites) had the video, and their counter showed 1173323 hits.
Ya can't put the cat back in the bag.
Shocking, really. (Score:2)
Re:If the internet works as advertised (Score:4, Informative)
www.youtube.com has address 208.65.153.253
www.youtube.com has address 208.65.153.241
www.youtube.com has address 208.65.153.242
www.youtube.com has address 208.65.153.245
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Re:If the internet works as advertised (Score:5, Informative)
Non-authoritative answer:
Name: www.youtube.com
Addresses: 208.65.153.245, 208.65.153.251, 208.65.153.253, 208.65.153.241
208.65.153.242
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There still isn't exactly an easy way to stop a video like this from circulating, but there may be a draco