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The Shape of the Future

Posted by Zonk on Mon May 14, 2007 05:31 AM
from the just-a-little-bit-connected dept.
Last week, Sci-Fi writer Charlie Stross was invited to speak at a technology open day at engineering consultancy TNG Technology Consulting in Munich. He's posted a transcript of his discussion on his website, which features a fascinating analysis of where technology is going in the next 10-25 years. Instead of envisioning outlandish future developments, he looks at what the impact might be on society from very reasonable iterations of today's SOTA. "10Tb is an interesting number. That's a megabit for every second in a year -- there are roughly 10 million seconds per year. That's enough to store a live DivX video stream -- compressed a lot relative to a DVD, but the same overall resolution -- of everything I look at for a year, including time I spend sleeping, or in the bathroom. Realistically, with multiplexing, it puts three or four video channels and a sound channel and other telemetry -- a heart monitor, say, a running GPS/Galileo location signal, everything I type and every mouse event I send -- onto that chip, while I'm awake ... Add optical character recognition on the fly for any text you look at, speech-to-text for anything you say, and it's all indexed and searchable. 'What was the title of the book I looked at and wanted to remember last Thursday at 3pm?' Think of it as google for real life. "
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  • Memories! (Score:2, Insightful)

    "You're talking about memories."
    • Re:Memories! (Score:4, Insightful)

      by rvw (755107) on Monday May 14 2007, @05:59AM (#19111669)

      "You're talking about memories."
      What I see, what I remember, what is happening in front of me, those are three different things, although they might have a resemblence in normal life. It would be quite interesting to see what you didn't see.
    • Re: (Score:3, Funny)

      Do you mean that 800 Tb disk that's lying in the corner, containing everything you've ever done? Sorry, we're not allowed to return it to you, before it has been fully screened by a miniluv representative =)
    • Blade Runner.

      Very nice.
  • Interesting but... (Score:5, Insightful)

    by Silver Sloth (770927) on Monday May 14 2007, @05:50AM (#19111611)
    From TFA

    As projections of a near future go, the one I've presented in this talk is pretty poor. In my defense, I'd like to say that the only thing I can be sure of is that I'm probably wrong, or at least missing something as big as the internet, or antibiotics.
    Indeed, in fifty years of reading future preditions the one thing they all have in common is that they're all wrong. The next big thing always comes out of left field and is poo-pooed by the 'experts'. It's good to see that Charlie Stross understands that.
    • Re: (Score:2, Insightful)

      They're not all wrong. Alexis de Tocqueville predicted that America and Russia would become rival superpowers back in 1835.
      • Just wait long enough and he'll be wrong agian.
      • Alexis de Tocqueville predicted that America and Russia would become rival superpowers back in 1835.

        He was wrong. I'm quite sure he didn't predict the Russian revolution in 1917, or the first and second world war, which led to the cold war. His prediction was mostly based on Russia being a big country, USA rising to become a big country, and therefore, eventually, rivals. In the mean time, just about anything could have happened. That events eventually played out to make this particular prediction true fo

    • If he understood it, we wouldn't be reading that transcript. He was like a drunk telling us that he knows he has a problem while ordering another round.
    • by elrous0 (869638) * on Monday May 14 2007, @08:20AM (#19112811)
      I'm a huge fan of serious science fiction and have been a fan of Stross (and contemporary "posthuman" writer Greg Egan) for some time. But he is not alone in this realization. No serious science fiction writer in the last 30 years has, to my knowledge, been so arrogant as to think he can accurately predict the future. Only a damn fool thinks that he can predict even the *near* future.

      Good science fiction writers know that science fiction really isn't about the future at all. Serious science fiction is more a commentary on our present, and on the human condition.

  • "What was the title of the book I looked at and..."

    Hate to break it to someone, but some of us can do that already - it is a burden sometimes, to be sure, but we can do it, without so much as a grunt and thank you mama...
    • Just wait till you're older, young whippersnapper. They say the memory is the first thing to ... um ...
    • And some of us are resitant to HIV and AIDS. Does that mean we should stop researching cures for those less fortunate?
  • Life Recorders (Score:5, Insightful)

    by inviolet (797804) <pineminder.yahoo@com> on Monday May 14 2007, @05:53AM (#19111641) Journal

    With the proper ironclad legal protections, Life Recorders will be a massive boon. Accused of a crime? No problem, just open up the datafile, fastforward to the time of the event, and see that we were actually sitting in the basement surfing alt.binaries.pictures.erotica.midgets.

    And for those times when we want to actually bring a midget home, we might want to stop recording. After all, the purpose of privacy is to protect ourselves from the erratic rationality of our fellow humans' moral judgment (as well as the wholesale absence of rationality behind some of our laws). We've still got evolutionary wiring left over that causes us to feel physical pain when others disapprove, and so privacy is a rational demand.

    But of course turning off our Life Recorder will be considered a forfeiture of our right to be Presumed Innocent.

    • by amck (34780) on Monday May 14 2007, @06:49AM (#19111997) Homepage
      This puts the burden of proof onto the defendant: they have to explain why they turned off the life recorder.

      Read up as to why we have "Innocent until proven Guilty": there are a lot of circumstances that are not illegal, but frowned on
      by society. (e.g. being Gay and in the US Military, etc.) : especially where you have politically-motivated prosecutors
      such as in the US (less so in Britain and Ireland where there is a higher degree of independence for the Director of Public Prosecutions)
      the law can become a tool of persection. You can be in deep trouble when doing something perfectly legal but frowned on
      my a majority (or vocal/powerful minority) of your community.

      Other issues of the panopticon society: imagine setting up a business (in your spare time,or whatever). Your employer / competitor
      could bring a frivolous lawsuit just to see what you were doing on day X.
    • >were actually sitting in the basement surfing alt.binaries.pictures.erotica.midgets.

      Well in some countries, it could be a crime: if memory serves in some country it is illegal to have porn pictures with what look like a children, even if these are really adults or even if these pictures are drawings or generated by computer..

      Does a midget look like a child enough that porn with them is illegal?
      I don't know, when laws reach this level of stupidity, it's hard to rely on common sense to distinguish what i
      • Does a midget look like a child enough that porn with them is illegal?
        Adult midgets* don't.

        * or whatever the politically correct term is.
    • Re: (Score:2, Insightful)

      With the proper ironclad legal protections, Life Recorders will be a massive boon. Accused of a crime? No problem, just open up the datafile, fastforward to the time of the event, and see that we were actually sitting in the basement surfing alt.binaries.pictures.erotica.midgets.

      All of which would be great if it wasn't for the fact that if we can read it, sooner or later, someone will figure out how to write to it.
    • But of course turning off our Life Recorder will be considered a forfeiture of our right to be Presumed Innocent.

      As will, perhaps, refusing to turn over your life recorder. Sure, the 5th amendment should protect against that, but it probably won't, at least not well enough.

      Also, I'm just not sure the idea is useful enough. Are you going to want to carry all the recording hardware around all the time? Are you going to have methods of searching audio and images sufficient that you'll be able to find wha

      • Re: (Score:3, Interesting)

        As will, perhaps, refusing to turn over your life recorder. Sure, the 5th amendment should protect against that, but it probably won't, at least not well enough.

        Actually, I think you're in a bit of a gray area. How is refusing to turn over your recorder (if it's known you have one) any different than refusing to turn over documents and emails?

        What could possibly be protected is having your recorder encrypted and refusing to turn over the password. From what I've been reading, the fifth will probably prote

    • Life Recorders will be a massive boon. Accused of a crime? No problem...

      But using a life recorder IS a crime already according to the MPAA/RIAA. At the movie theater, listening to the radio, watching a baseball game, reading a book, at a live concert (except for the Grateful Dead), etc. etc.

  • Uh oh (Score:3, Insightful)

    by clickclickdrone (964164) on Monday May 14 2007, @05:53AM (#19111643) Homepage
    If we all get to used to a machine recalling stuff for us, we'll soon get too lazy to do it ourselves. I've already found my handwriting sucks because I type 99% of the time and my memory for certain things is worse because I never really have to use it - stuff I want to know is either on my hard drive or a Google searech away.
    • Re:Uh oh (Score:4, Insightful)

      by dave420 (699308) on Monday May 14 2007, @08:09AM (#19112711)
      Just as most of us can't survive without AC and a supermarket round the corner. Don't labour under the misconception that we're somehow self-sufficient at the moment and have lost none of our previous skills - it's called progress. We, as a species, will always be losing some skills and gaining new ones. Imagine the skills we can learn when we don't have to rely on flaky memories. Dropping standards in handwriting is a good example - it drops because we simply don't need it any more. It's a good thing :)
        • Re: (Score:3, Insightful)

          I was using AC as an example, as whole swathes of the south-western US wouldn't be able to survive without their AC, and indeed water supply. I was referring to us no longer being hunter-gatherers, that we've lost most (all?) of those skills, and replaced them with other skills more useful, as they work with the technology we've got. If we didn't, we'd just be like chimps with PCs. Still doing our ages-old thing, but with new technology. It's only when the technology matches the skills of the user that
  • Very roughly! (Score:5, Informative)

    by mutende (13564) <klaus@seistrup.dk> on Monday May 14 2007, @06:02AM (#19111703) Homepage Journal

    there are roughly 10 million seconds per year
    Hm..., a mean tropical year has 365.24219878 days of each 86400 seconds, or 31,556,926 seconds. Ten billion seconds is slightly less than 317 years.
  • Finally... (Score:3, Funny)

    by tttonyyy (726776) on Monday May 14 2007, @06:07AM (#19111731) Homepage Journal
    ..when we get to 4. PROFIT!!! we can rewind a step and see what the hell 3. ???? was that people keep banging on about.
  • Thought (Score:4, Interesting)

    by Intrinsic (74189) on Monday May 14 2007, @06:14AM (#19111773) Homepage

    Of course, aside from making it possible to write very interesting science fiction stories, the Singularity is a very controversial idea. For one thing, there's the whole question of whether a machine can think -- although as the late, eminent professor Edsger Djikstra said, "the question of whether machines can think is no more interesting than the question of whether submarines can swim". A secondary pathway to the Singularity is the idea of augmented intelligence, as opposed to artificial intelligence: we may not need machines that think, if we can come up with tools that help us think faster and more efficiently. The world wide web seems to be one example. The memory prostheses I've been muttering about are another.


    I think he is coming at this from the wrong angle, as we develop more awareness into what makes us human and as we understand consciousness we are not going to need to use thought as much. Present moment awareness, understanding how our body reactions to emergency situations, the expansion of consciousness will allow us to bypass thought, and will allow us use other senses in our bodies to take action or create a reaction to situations in an instant with out much thought process.

    The solution isn't more processing power in our brains, its being able to turn it off thought so other more powerful forces within us can take over and do the calculations needed to live our lives.

    Here's some books if you want to get in the know about whats possible once we have reached a point where our minds distortion of the present moment has ceased to be an issue. Once that happens thought plays a very small part in the equation of creativity, and functioning in the world.

    "The power of now"
    Eckhart Tolle

    The Biology Of Belief: Unleashing The Power Of Consciousness, Matter And Miracles
    Bruce Lipton, Phd.

    "The Divine Matrix"
    Gregg Braden
    • What software do you use? I'm sure our marketing department would love it, but I can't seem to find [google.com] it anywhere [google.com].
      • To gain an insight... to speed this 'assentian' just like the ancients.
      • I think we need to start thinking about the possibility that there are other forces in the universe that the mind cannot comprehend or hold on it for very long.

        You mean like God? If so, I hope I'm not surprising you by mentioning that this idea is something most humans have thought about for many millennia, at least as long as we have written records, and probably as long as there have been humans.

        Our position in history right now (or since the scientific revolution) is unique, exactly because it allows

  • I don't think they will let you in with a camera mounted on your head.
  • Ambient Findability (Score:3, Interesting)

    by Lord Satri (609291) <alexandre&leroux,net> on Monday May 14 2007, @06:33AM (#19111873) Homepage Journal
    I'm not related to the author at all, but this book [findability.org] about ambient findability [wikipedia.org] well suits the discussion. From wikipedia: "Findability refers to the quality of being locatable or navigable. At the item level, we can evaluate to what degree a particular object is easy to discover or locate. At the system level, we can analyze how well a physical or digital environment supports navigation and retrieval."
  • There is a current experiment by a guy from Microsoft Labs. He wears a camera around his neck which automatically takes pictures every minute so that he can label and save them later in a database I saw that in Spectrum (IEEE magazine) but here is a link from a quick google search : http://www.guardian.co.uk/science/story/0,3605,167 4359,00.html [guardian.co.uk]
  • Our concept of privacy relies on the fact that it's hard to discover information about other people. Today, you've all got private lives that are not open to me. Even those of you with blogs, or even lifelogs. But we're already seeing some interesting tendencies in the area of attitudes to privacy on the internet among young people, under about 25; if they've grown up with the internet they have no expectation of being able to conceal information about themselves. They seem to work on the assumption that an

  • I thought it was a good talk. I'll just say that 20 years ago I was watching characters appear on my TV via a 300 baud modem that plugged into my Commodore. Even with software curve flattening, the next 20 years should be cool.
  • ...which in reality are shrinking. Per capita energy use peaked in the early 1980s. Building self-driving cars and the infrastructure to support such, building lifelogs and the infrastructure to support it, etc. and so on, is going to require HUGE amounts of energy, for EVERYBODY, and frankly, it just isn't there.

    People can have their own opinions about this, but not their own facts. all of the ramping up of capacity, speed, and ability of the past 100 years is directly attributable to high density transportable energy, in the form of petroleum. The remaining energy in that petroleum reserve would bet be served developing the technologies to prevent the starvation and privation of the 9 some odd billion people we're expecting to share the planet with in 50 years. Self driving cars? Perhaps, but not interesting, especially when people (mostly the poor, hungry, and dispossessed) are tearing up suburban McMansions for timber to keep warm during the ever milder winters, and the cities are gradually abandoned from the rising oceans.

    And all of THAT will require enormous amounts of energy. The kind of cybernetic totalism that TFA exhibits is one that is(sadly) all too pervasive in forums such as slashdot, ars technica, etc. And this is a tragedy, as we need the best and brightest to solve the problems of the future before they get here, not jerry-rig some bandaid solution on a disaster when it happens.

    To have even the VAGUEST glimmer of hope for an industrial civilisation, we need to get electricity in massive amounts, and figure out how to NOT use it in massive amounts. Suburbia will be abandoned - self driving cars won't save it. We will need to remove the burbs so we can reclaim it as farm land....

    I'm not being alarmist - I'm not a "doomer" by any stretch, but I am extremely skeptical of any predictions that do not directly address energy and resource consumption as central to any technology.

    RS

    • Damn you! You stole my possibly +1 Informative =) I agree that its a good movie. But I wonder, other than some nuts like those that spend half their day video-blogging, who would want to record every single waking —and sleeping!— moment? Well, yes, all that indexing and searching possibilities are cool and all, but you would still have to spend some time looking it up, and quite frankly memories get embellished by our minds. Just go back and read your high school angst-ridden writings and if you
      • by joto (134244) on Monday May 14 2007, @07:11AM (#19112143)

        who would want to record every single waking --and sleeping!-- moment?

        People who have amnesia. People who would like to record every waking moment but not have to deal with turning the recording on and off. People in law-enforcement. People who need to document fraud and/or abuse by other people, but can't necessarily predict when the interesting bits happen. Students who like to review one of their classes. Perverts who like to sell their sex-experiences on the Internet. Journalists who don't like taking notes. Anyone who have trouble remembering names, or directions, or whatever. In short, just about anyone, I guess.

        Well, yes, all that indexing and searching possibilities are cool and all, but you would still have to spend some time looking it up

        Sure. The idea is that if it's no hassle to record stuff, why not just record it all. The device could be embedded in your wrist-watch and/or cellphone, which most people carry around anyway. Or it could be an implant. If you don't need to access it, you won't waste any time accessing it, and the additional weight you have to carry is less than the extra weight you already carry because you forgot to cut your toenails.

        memories get embellished by our minds. Just go back and read your high school angst-ridden writings and if you're matured just a bit

        I know I feel that way, but I'm not sure everyone feels that way. But even if you do feel that way (like I do), that doesn't remove the usefulness of such a device. Nobody is forcing you to review your angst-ridden teenage depression all the time. But if you need to remember something, you could.

        And there's the waste in recording again what you already saw (because you would be recording yourself watching those records... bleh).

        Why is that wasteful? Storage is cheap. Micro-managing it is wasteful, because it costs more money and time than not managing it at all. Besides, you may end up some day wanting to see how much time you waste inspecting older memories. In short, you could just as well argue that everyone should use letters of maximum 2mm height, and no paragraph breaks or whitespace, when handwriting, since otherwise you would waste ink and paper. The world just doesn't work that way.

      • Your entire life as such, is worthless if for no other reason than that it'd take literally a lifetime to watch it.

        There's some bits of it though, that would be nice to keep. And here's the thing, you don't know beforehand which bits that is. Sometimes you discover it later, on occasion *MUCH* later.

        That girl sitting next to you on the bus today ? It don't matter, unless she ends up eventually becoming your wife, in which case you migth very well find it amusing to have a recorded video of your very first meeting. (or not, but -some- people would, which is the entire point)

        The only way of being able to get at the interesting bits though, is recording a lot of stuff, on the hunch that *some* of it will be interesting and/or useful. For the same reason, basically, that many people keep *all* receipts for expensive stuff they buy -- because inevitably -some- of the stuff will break down, and then you may need the receipt in order to get a guarantee-repair or a refund.

    • No, it translates to being able to store all the porn you could ever watch in your lifetime in the palm of your hand.

      Err... Wait.

      Your other hand, I mean.
    • You know I'm right. Anyone too busy recording "life" to actually live it, effectively has none.