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British Police Identify Killer in Radiation Case

Posted by Zonk on Fri Jan 26, 2007 06:36 PM
from the hercule-poirot-to-the-white-phone-please dept.
reporter writes "According to a front-page story by The Guardian, British authorities have identified Andrei Lugovoi to be the murderer who used radioactive pollonium-210 to kill Andrei Litvinenko. The British government will ask Moscow to extradite Lugovoi. The Guardian states: 'Associates of the dead man have repeatedly accused President Vladimir Putin's government of being behind his murder, a claim the Kremlin rejects. While it is known that detectives believe they have uncovered evidence pointing to Mr Lugovoi's involvement, it is not clear whether they have established a motive for the murder'"
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[+] Science: Former Spy Poisoned By Radiation In UK 432 comments
An anonymous reader writes "BBC new is reporting the death of the ex-Russian spy Alexander Litvinenko with a major dose of radioactive polonium-210. But nobody knows how it got there. Suspicions have fallen upon the Russian security services (who deny involvement). The task of the pathologists now is to unpick what really killed him and how it was administered. Quite what techniques they will use to solve this puzzle is unclear." From the article: "A post-mortem examination on Mr Litvinenko has not been held yet. The delay is believed to be over concerns about the health implications for those present at the examination. But Roger Cox from the HPA said a large quantity of alpha radiation emitted from polonium-210 had been detected in Mr Litvinenko's urine."
[+] Science: UK Lab Traces Polonium To Russian Nuclear Plant 413 comments
reporter writes "British authorities had identified polonium 210 to be the radioactive poison that killed Alexander Litvinenko, the former Russian spy who defected to Great Britain. Now, according to a disturbing report, the authorities have identified the source of the poison to be Russia. Bloomberg ominously reports, 'Scientists at the U.K.'s Atomic Weapons Establishment in Aldermaston, west of London, have traced the polonium 210 found in London to a nuclear power plant in Russia, the capital's Evening Standard newspaper reported today. Officials at the establishment didn't return calls.' A cold chill just fell on relations between Russia and the West." In another twist to this developing story, the shadowy Italian security consultant who dined with Litvinenko has also fallen ill with radiation poisoning.
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  • because not only is he interested in high tech assassination, he's also in favor of Open Sores.
      • And can the USA have British Columbia after the War on Canadians is over?

              You guys short of rainfall or what?
  • YRO? (Score:2, Insightful)

    What the hey does this have to do with Your Rights Online?
    • Re:YRO? (Score:5, Funny)

      by martin-boundary (547041) on Friday January 26 2007, @09:14PM (#17779686)

      What the hey does this have to do with Your Rights Online?
      Online is a code word for electricity, and electricity is produced by nuclear power plants, and where there's nuclear power plants, there's plutonium, and plutonium was used to poison the Russian guy, and killing Russians is not allowed in Britain, and things that aren't allowed are written down in the Law, and the Law sets out your Rights, for values of your which are compatible with whichever Law applies, so that's why Your is capitalized.

      But Britain is an industrialized society, so I don't think it's got anything to do with hay or hey as it's sometimes written.

        • Actually, knowing some of the laws of this country, its probably legal to kill a russian, however he didn't fill in all the correct forms or even apply for a license.


          Even if you *did* have a license, it's only legal to kill Russians during Russki season, which is March-April.

  • Haha! Busted. He left a radioactive trail all over London, even in an airplane he travelled on. He's the only person who can be tied to all the locations they've found traces of radioactive polonium. Of course, he's claiming someone set him up by following him around and dropping the stuff wherever he went. We'll see if the Russians will hand him over. If they don't, it's gonna look mighty suspicious. If they do, he's gonna say Putin put him up to it, whether he did or not.

    The UK may have to hand over a scummy billionaire who profited immensely off of the rush to privatize Russia, which would be cool: two scumbags busted for the price of one.
    • Re: (Score:2, Interesting)

      He'll be dead before he hits British shores.
    • by residue (462525) on Friday January 26 2007, @06:58PM (#17778384)
      Berezovsky is actually not a scumbag -- he never did anything outrageously illegal, just the usual machinations necessary in a lawless nation like Russia to make any money. Contrast this with the Stalin-esque purgings of dissenting voices that are rampant in Russia these days.

      At the same time, he has stood for the liberalization of the media and government structures, for which he was ordered exterminated by Litvinenko. In a tyrannical atmosphere that is Russia right now, that deserves a lot of credit.
      • by Cyberax (705495) on Friday January 26 2007, @07:53PM (#17779024)
        What??

        He openly provided funds to Chechen terrorists. He openly declared his plans to violently overthrow Russian government. If both of these are legal, then I'm Santa Claus.
        • by Anonymous Coward on Friday January 26 2007, @08:32PM (#17779338)
          Can I have a pony?
        • Re: (Score:3, Insightful)

          > He openly provided funds to Chechen terrorists.

          Openly? Cite it. He seems to be particularly guilty of having a big mouth ("That includes taking power by force, which I am working on") but it's hard to imagine having any success in seizing Moscow with Chechen fighters.

          Not that I think Boris is a champion of liberty -- he's probably even more of a crook than Putin and Yeltsin -- but his criticism of the Chechen war doesn't exactly make him Al Qaeda.
          • Re: (Score:3, Informative)

            No problem.

            http://www.forbes.com/forbes/1999/1101/6411090a.h t ml [forbes.com] (print version: http://www.forbes.com/forbes/1999/1101/6411090a_pr int.html [forbes.com] )

            When pressed, Maskhadov names the man he sees as the prime villain in the affair: tycoon Boris Berezovsky. For the past several years Berezovsky has been channeling ransom payments to terrorists in Chechnya who have kidnapped visitors. Berezovsky boasts of his rescue efforts, but, says Maskhadov, the ransom money has dark consequences: It finances the Islamic militias, which are now attacking Russia.

            In a recent interview with Le Figaro, Berezovsky admits to the payment. "I gave him this money ... to begin the reconstruction of the republic," he says, adding that his money does not go to support war against Russia.

            And this is just the result of 5 minutes of Internet search. I'm sure you can find more such examples, that's why the Russian Office of Public Prosecutor still wants him.

          • Re: (Score:3, Informative)

            Dear ignorant idiot. First of all, I live in Russia, fairly close to Chechnya (its border is about 250 km from my home).

            Second, there ARE Chechen terrorists, just come close to Chechnya (preferably, to mountainous region) and see it yourself.

            Chechens fully deserve the beating, because during early 90-s they forced about 500000 Russians to move out of Chechnya (talk about displaced ordinary guys), including some of my distant relatives.

            And how about http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Budyonnovsk_hostage_c risis [wikipedia.org] ?
    • by Walt Dismal (534799) on Friday January 26 2007, @07:08PM (#17778540)
      Could we trade Darl McBride to the Russians in exchange for... well ...let's give him to them for free.
      • Re: (Score:3, Funny)

        I was thinking we should ask the US to parachute Darl McBride into the borderlands between Afghanistan and Pakistan. The worst that can happen is that he'll use up all of the Taliban's money suing half the middle east for infringing on spice-based intellectual property.
        • Also, we could send them the Novell traitors as a bonus.

                In fact, perhaps Microsoft could be persuaded to supply their government with "n" copies of Vista, in exchange for dropping the EEC fine. That way Russia will have the most hackab^H^H^H^H^H secure government computers in the world...
    • Re: (Score:3, Informative)


      The UK may have to hand over a scummy billionaire who profited immensely off of the rush to privatize Russia, which would be cool: two scumbags busted for the price of one.


      Actually, the courts have already ruled that Boris Berezovsky cannot be returned to Russia, so even if there was the political will to return him, it seems unlikely that they could do anything about it.
    • Billionaire (Score:4, Informative)

      by Morosoph (693565) on Friday January 26 2007, @07:34PM (#17778830) Homepage Journal

      The UK may have to hand over a scummy billionaire who profited immensely off of the rush to privatize Russia, which would be cool: two scumbags busted for the price of one.
      This billionaire might indeed be scummy, but he wouldn't receive a fair trial, according to English Courts, so extradition is off. As the article says, the Russians will, most likely, not accept this as an excuse.

      In fact, this is the whole problem: to Russia, the concept of an independent judiciary is not credible.

  • by TigerTim (968445) on Friday January 26 2007, @06:48PM (#17778254)

    I think this is a real test case of whether the notion of the UK as a nation holds any actual power in the World. The Russian constitution, as I understand it, obliges the Russian government NOT to render Russian citizens for extradition, despite the fact that in Britain the defendent will assuredly recieve a fair trial (either in the UK or by analogy to the Lockerbie case, in a third country).

    If the Russian government DID sponsor an assassination within British territory, it is an affront to our sovereignty and should be exposed. If on the other hand it was NOT, then it is equally desirable that the Russian government be cleared of that.

    If the UK does not take a strong, principled stand on this issue, then I feel that our identity of "British" is very probably meaningless.

    • Re: (Score:3, Informative)

      I'm not real sure how this applies but Russia did allow a diplomat with diplomatic immunity to be tried in Washington DC after he killed someone while drunk driving. He was tried, convicted, and spent time in a US prison. Eventually, he was allowed to return to Russia before his sentence ended and then served time there. If I remember correctly, he didn't end up serving the entire sentence handed down by the US court but, US citizens usually don't either. If they can suspend his diplomatic immunity can
      • Re: (Score:3, Insightful)

        There is quite a large disparity between that case and this one however in that the case you mentioned was a local offence that was not politicaly sensitive and not in the legal area for which diplomatic immunity is for. This case however is politicaly sensitive and may or may not involve the Russian government, unlike the other case, there are many overriding reasons why the Russain governemnt would not wish to hand over the suspect.
    • Have you been at the Gaffer's homebrew again? I think the status of the UK as a nation state is pretty much universally recognized (for a few centuries now). And besides, extradition is governed by international law; if a state has no extradition treaty with another country, they're perfectly within their rights to refuse an extradition request. What this case gets at is the status of Russia as a fair, open, democratic state.
    • To the people with the power on display here, the terms "British" and "Russian", you name it, don't exist. They don't see it that way. They have a target, location, and a date and time and that's the only thing that matters. They are not distracted by such ubsurdities as "sovereignty" and "identity". And we shouldn't be either when going after them. Bah, What am I talking about? The CIA and other allied intelligence agencies already operate that way. As a matter of fact, isn't this a case of the pot calling
  • ya right (Score:5, Insightful)

    by mastershake_phd (1050150) on Friday January 26 2007, @06:50PM (#17778274) Homepage
    10:1 this guy dies mysteriously or disappears.
    • The British don't do that sort of thing. Well, they probably do, but officially they don't, so they have to make sure they're incredibly subtle. He may well be killed through some completely unrelated but completely plausible reason, in a manner that that only the craziest conspiracy theorist would ever link to MI5.
  • by Karganeth (1017580) on Friday January 26 2007, @06:57PM (#17778378)
    There was absolutely no need for the James Bond style assasination. Why not just shoot the bugger using a silencer? Advantages of using a gun:

    1. Weapon doesn't decay.
    2. Don't need to visit a nuclear reactor (which will have very restricted access on) to get one.
    3. Doesn't leave a HUGE trail of everywhere you have been with it.
    4. Less chance of target surving long enough to give full description of you.

    This assasination was far too elaborate...
    • You can buy polonium 210 on the internet, btw.
        • by tbo (35008) on Friday January 26 2007, @07:40PM (#17778908) Journal
          Disclaimer: IAAP (I Am A Physicist)

          Just think - if you could buy as much polonium 210 as what was used against Litvinenko, do you really think that any postage service would want to deliver a radioactive package?

          Actually, Polonium 210 is an alpha emitter, which means it's quite safe unless you ingest or inhale it (at which point even small amounts become deadly). Just putting it in a paper bag would shield you from much of the radiation. As long as it was securely packaged, I don't think it would be unsafe to mail.

        • You can also buy anti-static devices with (potentially lethal) quantities of Po-210 embedded in them. But the Po-210 is embedded in metal foil, and is quite difficult to extract.
    • There was absolutely no need for the James Bond style assasination. Why not just shoot the bugger using a silencer? Advantages of using a gun: 1. Weapon doesn't decay. 2. Don't need to visit a nuclear reactor (which will have very restricted access on) to get one. 3. Doesn't leave a HUGE trail of everywhere you have been with it. 4. Less chance of target surving long enough to give full description of you. This assasination was far too elaborate...

      I think whoever did this is going for a kind of terroris
    • by Anonymous Coward
      A traditional staged mugging or hit and run style assassination doesn't send the same kind of message: "we've got radiological weapons and can deploy them in the heart of one of the West's greatest cities".

      The method of this assassination was intended to create a specific kind of fear among people who pay attention to these sorts of things. Putin's transformation of Russia is nearly complete.
    • Actually, it was a perfect assassination. Did you see how the guy perished? All his hair fell out. He sat in a hospital bed for a tremendous amount of time. He suffered. He bled internally.

      Why was it a perfect assassination? Because it involved radiation which inherently causes anyone to shiver, and it caused a slow, painful, agonizing death, which sends about as big of a message as publicly drawing and quartering the guy.
    • Re: (Score:3, Insightful)

      by Anonymous Coward
      There were many less obvious and easier ways to do it.

      It seems apparent that it was the assassin's intension to show that it was an assassination by a well connected person, and to get a lot of media attention. They also wanted him to die slowly and make his accusations.

      It seems likely the assassination is associated with Putin, committed by either a supporter or an opponent. A supporter might make others more fearful of dissidence. It would also end his speaking out against the administration, but his assa
  • Could we change the Slashdot headline to say they have charged someone. Legally a representative of the police or any legal branch of a government, would not say "We've identified the killer". It is up to the courts to decide if he killed someone, not the police. The police can only supply evidence to the prosecutor and a jury will decide if he did it or not.
    • Re: (Score:3, Insightful)

      The missing word is "alleged".
    • A better question (Score:4, Interesting)

      by thule (9041) on Friday January 26 2007, @07:19PM (#17778672) Homepage
      Should it even be a homicide investigation or a smuggling investigation? Why would anyone poison someone with many more times the amount required to kill them with a material that is so expensive and easy to trace? There are waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay easier ways to kill someone. Ways that would garner much less attention.

      Why poison the person multiple times when one time would be enough? We know it's multiple times because the police believe it to be multiple exposures. How would they know this unless the decay or signatures were different between exposures?

      The amount is very puzzling. The amount is a huge amount of the material. It was so much that it left a blemish in the tea cup. Something on orders of 100 watts of heat from the Po-210.

      I'm not big on conspiracy theories, but it seems to me there has to be much more to this story. What were these guys really up to?
      • by ptbarnett (159784) on Friday January 26 2007, @07:47PM (#17778976)
        Why would anyone poison someone with many more times the amount required to kill them with a material that is so expensive and easy to trace? There are waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay easier ways to kill someone. Ways that would garner much less attention.

        And that's exactly why I believe this method was used.

        No individual or even group would have been able to get that much polonium, without at least the tacit approval of a government with a sufficiently advanced nuclear program. The list of potential suppliers is very short.

        This was a message, which is very clear to dissenters and critics: you can't hide. We can get to you, or at least those that are close to you, no matter where you are.

        • Re:A better question (Score:5, Interesting)

          by thule (9041) on Friday January 26 2007, @09:09PM (#17779664) Homepage
          Why multiple exposures? Why so sloppy? Why use so much? They could have used a *much*, *much*, *much* smaller amount and still have made the same statement. Why was there so much of the stuff all around, but only a small amount (by a large measure) made it into the target of the assassination? It just doesn't add up. It seems like these guys were up to something else.
      • Re: (Score:3, Insightful)

        Lol! Don't you know that rights, like the presumption of innocence, are only for American citizens?
        Correction: American citizens who haven't been accused of having links to terrorists.
  • by 91degrees (207121) on Friday January 26 2007, @07:15PM (#17778618) Journal
    I suspect the Russian government knows full well that the British Government can't hand over Boris Berezovsky. That's why they're likely to make the request. It's not, on the face of it, unreasonable. Just legally impossible. But Britain's "refusal" to hand him over will mean that Russia has a better bargaining position. They can push Britain into offering an alternative of greater value.
    • by Anonymous Coward
      Antiwar has an interesting article [antiwar.com] about the case:

      Berezovsky, who employed Litvinenko while he was alive and is using him in death as the symbol of Putin's malignity, is the key figure in all this: the man slain Forbes journalist Paul Klebnikov called Russia's "godfather." The real Mafia could learn a thing or two from Berezovsky, who, Klebnikov averred, assassinated his business rivals - one with an obscure nerve toxin - while the authorities stood by and let it happen on account of the oligarch's connecti

    • Re: (Score:3, Interesting)

      No way in hell is the UK going to give something to Russia in this particular case. I mean, just imagine the situation if the UK now pulls of some sort of exchange with Russia for this guy: he's going to continue denying that he did it, even if found guilty Russia will deny all allegations and accuse the brittish government for orchestrating these false charges, they get to have Litvinenko dead AND they get something else in return for someone they don't really care about anyway.

      Fact of the matter is, Ru
  • by Dunbal (464142) on Friday January 26 2007, @07:24PM (#17778728)
    You arrest me, and I will irradiate you all! Muhahahaha... enjoy your sushi, judge!(disappears in a cloud of green phosphorescent smoke)

  • Litvinenko's Book (Score:5, Interesting)

    by Doc Ruby (173196) on Friday January 26 2007, @10:11PM (#17780056) Homepage Journal
    As detailed in Litvinenko's book (with Yuri Felshtinsky) published right after he was poisoned to death _Blowing Up Russia [google.com]_, Russia's KGB (by whatever new name disguises it) has been working against the conversion to democracy, especially since KGB exec Putin replaced Yeltsin the drunken reformer. According to Litvinenko before he died (reported in the book), he was being chased and then killed for reporting on the faked 1999 "apartment bombings" in Moscow and elsewhere in Russia which the KGB staged to get Yeltsin to invade Chechnya on the pretext of "Islamic terrorism". The book is banned (and was confiscated) in Russia.

    "Think. It ain't illegal yet." - George Clinton with Funkadelic
  • by Thumper_SVX (239525) on Saturday January 27 2007, @10:25AM (#17783222) Homepage
    First, a disclaimer. This is an opinion. Don't read it as gospel, but instead try to research a little and come to your own conclusions.

    Sorry, I just don't buy it. I've read about the death of Litvinenko, and I've done a little homework into this guy's history that seems interesting. I'm not going to delve too deeply in the details, but it seems to me that it's quite probable that this whole thing was a publicity stunt.

    Yeah, a guy's dead. But this guy has a history of being violently opposed to the current Russian administration. His history shows him trying a number of times to discredit and/or destroy the Putin-controlled government. He was involved with a number of groups with the same goal, particularly in London.

    Now, honestly if you were a member of the Russian government who wanted rid of a thorny problem, how would you do it? Kill the guy with a bullet through the head, or use a traceable, unusual and likely highly public method of killing someone? It seems to me that the FSB would have been quite capable of putting a bullet in Litvinenko's brain pan at any time and suddenly this thorny problem goes away. Besides, it seems from my reading that Litvinenko was no more or less of a problem to the Russian government than most of his other brothers in his societies and groups in England. To say that Litvinenko was such a problem to the government that they'd want to kill him at all is I think inflating his importance.

    Now, if you as a group wanted to make a statement that would have worldwide coverage regarding the inhumanity of Putin's government, how better to do it than to have one of your own lay down his/her life in a particularly odd and highly newsworthy fashion? And if you can show that your martyr has been moving around because his movements are particularly traceable then you've just scored extra bonus points.

    Litvinenko's death was painful, slow and highly newsworthy. The BBC was all over it... I know. I live in the US but I still enjoy the BBC podcasts every day on my way to work... it was all over the BBC world service for weeks. It seems awfully convenient that a guy who has been extremely vocal in his opposition to Putin's government would meet an end that so amply demonstrates precisely the message he and his colleagues were trying to convey (if it's true, of course). The media coverage also somewhat reeked of an orchestrated media blitz, it was just too perfect.

    Now, as for where they got the polonium-210... well, after the fall of the Soviet Union much of the nuclear material that had existed within the country's borders was probably sold off around the world in order to support the orphaned communities who suddenly had very few ways of supporting themselves. It's not such a stretch to think that a sufficiently organized group with enough funding could find a sufficient quantity of polonium-210 on the black market to take the life of one of their own in a massive political statement.

    Now, I'm still a little on the fence on this one. I'd say 60% chance that the above is what happened, but I still maintain a 40% possibility that what the media told us about the FSB poisoning Litvinenko was true. Perhaps it was to make a statement to all of those colleagues of Litvinenko that they need to quiet down... but it seems to me that a handful of bullets and a few key members of the groups getting lynched would be cheaper, quicker, cleaner and send the same message effectively. The whole polonium poisoning thing just seems overkill for a government, but seems like a perfect way for a radical group to send a message. It's just a more sophisticated suicide bomber.

    As I stated above, this is an opinion. Don't take it as gospel.
    • Re: (Score:3, Informative)

      Here are the poll results [virtualireland.ru] of exUSSR citizens that live abroad (mostly in Ireland). Lots of them think it was FSB that killed Litvinenko, but majority actually think it was an accident (Lugovoi and Litvinenko were smuggling radioactive materials from Russia). Poll options one by one:
      1. Federal Security Bureau
      2. Russian Mafia that Litvinenko tried to blackmail
      3. Suicide to blame Putin
      4. Americans or other enemies of Russia
      5. Accident when smuggling radioactive materials

      Option #5 seems to be the most popular one. I k