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Intel Patents the "Digital Browser Phone"

Posted by kdawson on Sun Nov 19, 2006 08:05 AM
from the move-over-skype-yahoo-and-google dept.
tibbar66 writes, "This sounds like an invention that has been invented many times before (e.g. Skype). Yet on October 10, 2006 Intel was granted a patent for a 'digital browser phone.' The patent was filed on Feb. 25, 2000. Here's the abstract: 'A telephone system wherein all the functions of a digital telephone can be accessed and implemented on a personal computer alone, thereby eliminating the need for a telephone set. By means of the computer display and mouse, keyboard or other input/output command devices, a user accesses and implement all digital telephone functions without the physical telephone set, the personal computer also providing the audio function. A graphical representation of a telephone set or other telephone-related form is provided on the computer display and accessed by the mouse, keyboard or other command device, this being accomplished by a computer program providing graphical interface implementation. A significant advantage of the system is computer access to and utilization of digital telephone functions from a remote location with communication via Internet, LAN, WAN, RAS or other mediums.'"
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  • Actually it's Intel (Score:5, Informative)

    by grimmy (75458) on Sunday November 19 2006, @08:13AM (#16903500) Homepage
    If the submitter RTFP they would have seen that it was Intel, not M$.
    • by kripkenstein (913150) on Sunday November 19 2006, @08:35AM (#16903598) Homepage
      If the submitter RTFP they would have seen that it was Intel, not M$.

      Indeed. But if the patent office doesn't read the proposals, why should the Slashdot submitter? (Granted, the other option is that the patent office did read the proposal, but the patent office worker was so ignorant it sounded like a new idea to him/her.)

      Currently there are so many variations on this theme already in existence (Skype, Jajah, even Ekiga etc., in a sense), that it boggles the mind such a patent was granted. Yet, TFP says that the filing date was "February 25, 2000". How many of those were around circa 2000? Skype only began around 2002-2003 IIRC...
      • Patent was filed in 2000 - thats way before Skype came to existance.
          • by statusbar (314703) <jeffk@statusbar.com> on Sunday November 19 2006, @10:09AM (#16904060) Homepage Journal

            I helped port one from win3.1 to win95 in 1996... It worked over the LAN and Internet... It looked like a phone... It supported GSM encoding, and full-duplex audio if your sound card was good enough. The company name was 'Telit', and does not exist anymore.

            From archive.org:


            --jeffk++
          • Re: (Score:3, Informative)

            Since the 'voice modem' was in existance such GUIs were around - certainly as easy as 1995.

            Doubtless - but that doesn't change the fact that the submitter

            1) incorrectly attributes the patent to MS rather than Intel
            2) tries to cite Skype as prior art when it didn't exist at the time of filing

            Even for a slashdot summary, that's pretty poor.
      • Re: (Score:3, Insightful)

        Indeed. But if the patent office doesn't read the proposals, why should the Slashdot submitter? (Granted, the other option is that the patent office did read the proposal, but the patent office worker was so ignorant it sounded like a new idea to him/her.)


        I'm not proposing any theories here, but I do think you may be in danger of assuming incompetence where there's corruption.
  • by Maltese Falcon (11786) on Sunday November 19 2006, @08:13AM (#16903502)
    As well as countless others, as M$ tries to rewite history: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/VocalTec_Internet_Pho ne [wikipedia.org]
  • Skype ?

    Or any SIP or H323 application that predates Skype ?

    Isn't it time for Americans to revolt agains the patent crazyness ?
      • Both patents and pirate downloads are driven by greed. It will not stop. A revolt won't help.

        It seems to work here in Europe: after a big campaign of small IT businesses and citizens, the European Parliament rejected a proposal for introducing software patents in the EU.

        Sure, the "war" is far from over, but we have won each "battle" so far. But I fear that we have a big probability of losing, unless software patents are challenged also in the rest of the world.

        So, please, if you live in the USA or in Ja

        • It seems to work here in Europe: after a big campaign of small IT businesses and citizens, the European Parliament rejected a proposal for introducing software patents in the EU.

          An article [oxfordjournals.org] and book [slashdot.org] just out show why rejecting software patents is the only sound policy from the perspective of every discipline that has looked at them, be it IP law, economics, or computer science.

  • From TFA:

    Assignee: Intel Corporation (Santa Clara, CA)

    So what happened to actually reading the submission before posting them on ./?

    Also Skype is from 2002 [wikipedia.org] and the patent was filed in 2000, so that makes for a poor prior art.
    • by Vlad_the_Inhaler (32958) on Sunday November 19 2006, @08:45AM (#16903642) Homepage
      So we get a Slashdot post about the USPTO not looking at the patent application properly, where the poster (or /. editor) did not look at it either. My brain hurts.

      Whatever, as someone else here said, Vocaltec [vocaltec.com] started the ball rolling back in 1995. Maybe they only patented in Israel, not the US, but that won't help Intel here.
    • So what happened to actually reading the submission before posting them on ./?
      You know who I blame for this?! Microsoft!
  • by Anonymous Coward
    In star trek the next generation '87-'94. Does that count as prior art? No pun intended.
    • Re: (Score:3, Insightful)

      The fscking phone itself should count as prior art! Perhaps, just perhaps (I'm not willing to go near it to find out) there is something in this patent which is new and non-obvious (from slashdot alone I'd say not but I know better then to believe anything on here). Odds are however that this is little more then a description of re-implementing a regular telephone with digital circuitry. For some reason the USPTO seems to think that doing $anything "on a computer" is patentable in of itself no matter
    • Re: (Score:2, Informative)

      Dunno, but I do have prior art, and unlike most of Intels patents it's not just a loose description, but real software!
      I have a cd that came with a serial modem containing software that fits the description of the patent, and the copyright notice is 1999. When I took a look into the manual it was the Feb 1999 edition, and the 'last modified' date of installer on the disk is 3.3.1998.
  • by Anonymous Coward on Sunday November 19 2006, @08:26AM (#16903564)
    I was with the patent requestors technically until "A preferred program is commercially available from Microsoft Corporation and known as ActiveX control. ActiveX control enables one to develop sophisticated controls...". Now I realize this was some kind of joke.
  • by hulkio (1029288) on Sunday November 19 2006, @08:37AM (#16903604)
    Seems to me that the USPTO is slowly but surely loosing its meaning. I mean, there was so much prior art on this one, how could they even consider the application in the first place? The more they accept these kind of patents, the less they serve their purpose. Their mission (from their site):
    USPTO encourages technological advancement by providing incentives to invent, invest in, and disclose new technology worldwide
    . Seems to me that their mission is more like:
    USPTO encourages its own financial advancement and the proliferation of unproductive patent law firms by providing incentives to create legal ammo for the big corporations that can afford the insanly expensive process of filing a patent
    . Oh well, we will just have to produce and sell our nice new inventions from China where they could not care less about respecting and enforcing all that nonsense.
    • I can't remember the original quote, it went something like this: everyone in life has a purpose, even if its to serve as a bad example. This is the purpose of the USPTO, to show us Europeans how not to do it. Of course we have special interest groups (patent lawyers, some large companies) who would like this but the USPTO is an excellent 'bad example'. It is a pity they can't patent themselves to stop imitations.
      • You're thinking of a Demotivational poster from Despair.com [despair.com].

        It's entitled "Mistakes" [despair.com] and says:

        It could be that the purpose of your life is only to serve as a warning to others.
    • Have you read the claims? If not you have no idea whether or not there is anything new in this patent.
    • USPTO encourages its own financial advancement and the proliferation of unproductive patent law firms by providing incentives to create legal ammo for the big corporations that can afford the insanly expensive process of filing a patent

      It's cheap to file a patent.

      The reason you file one is so that way, when you find someone has violated your patent, you SUE them and use your patent documents as slam-dunk evidence in court (provided that it predates THEIR patent and adequately describes the device THEY creat
  • This story is just another reason to hate patents. If the iPod's clickwheel could be used by other manufacturers, than everybody and Apple would need to offer -more- and thus, innovate, to make sure they keep their customers and sell their devices. (ok. maybe it's not the patent themselves the problem, but how long they are enforced. I feel 2 to 5 years should be enough...) Same for this MS patent which sound a little too much obvious technology to me.

    And the off-topic part, Apple came up with an interesting yet-another-patent one for a configurable input system (patent screenshots included) [macrumors.com]. In short: "The concept is based around adding physical/tactile controls over a touch-sensitive pad. By having such a modular system, an iPod or laptop could become even more multi-functional." As much as this patent is interesting and could help transform computers into something more versatile and useful, it's still a patent which impedes anyone else using the idea at the commercial level.
    • I have tho disagree with you,

      The iPod clickwheel was a true innovation, that no one has come with before. So my opinion is that it was a valid and fair patent.

      On the other side, this Apple's new patent application just defines a particular use for an touchscreen... something that has been around for ages.
    • Re: (Score:3, Insightful)

      As much as this patent is interesting and could help transform computers into something more versatile and useful, it's still a patent which impedes anyone else using the idea at the commercial level.
      I am all for patent reform but... Isn't that the whole point of patents?
  • openh323 (Score:2, Insightful)

    by Anonymous Coward
    The open h323 project was started in 1998 and had a soft phone by 2000. This should count as prior art. http://www.openh323.org/fom-serve/cache/3.html [openh323.org]

    It also stinks that they get to sit on it for 6 years from date of filing. Patents used to be valid for 20 years from date of filing, now a company can sit on it, tweek it, and get 17 years from date of issue (AFIK).

    • Patents used to be valid for 20 years from date of filing, now a company can sit on it, tweek it, and get 17 years from date of issue (AFIK).

      It's the other way round: Patents used to be valid for 17 years from date of issue (allowing 'submarine' patents). Since 1995, they are valid for 20 years from date of filing.

      That's a broad summary of the situation; for the details see a law site, e.g. here [bpmlegal.com].

  • Prior art? (Score:3, Insightful)

    by gstovall (22014) on Sunday November 19 2006, @09:00AM (#16903708) Homepage
    Heh? In 1994, we were already buying commercial softphone applications for PC to PC telephony. In 1995, we had the ability to click a button on a web browser and launch a voice session with a customer service rep in an ACD pool. In 1996, we demonstrated a macintosh running voip software connected to a gateway that put the voice session out on an ISUP trunk to an M-1 PBX. I'm having difficulty understanding the originality of a 2000 filing on this subject.
  • Regardless of whether M$ or Intel are the grantees of this bogus patent. VoIP and by extension a digital phone set via PC were invented by Danny Cohen in 1973 via an ARPA sponsored project involving the predecessor to VoIP - Network Voice Protocol (NVP). Read more on Wikipedia [wikipedia.org]. In addition to this prior art, Cisco would probably have some disagreement with the validity of this patent as well [cisco.com] with their Personal Communicator Application.
  • Are the people at the USPTO on drugs or do they just have their heads up their corn holes?
  • Easy out of this (Score:3, Insightful)

    by WindBourne (631190) on Sunday November 19 2006, @09:14AM (#16903752) Journal
    in ~1995, I was working at Bell Labs/Lucent on the velociraptor project. Part of that WAS the desktop system as described.

    Man, I swear that gov has fallen apart over the last 5 years. Patents as screwy as this show either an actual attempt by the gov. to hire idiots (hard to believe considering the economy of the last 6 years), that it is purposely trying to allow BS patents to major companies (conspiracy theorists unite), or that it is being severely underfunded( Bingo ) .
      • Re: (Score:3, Insightful)

        Actually, it's all of the above. If you think that software patents were invented out of thin air by Congress you're wrong: left to themselves they aren't that interested in the issue. As it happens, a lot of big interests lobbied hard for them just like they are currently doing in the EU. It was no accident. The USPTO also has funding problems and those also were no accident because Congress changed the way the office is funded.

        You're also right: it really isn't possible to issue software patents in a s
  • Okay, patent application submitted 2000. I distinctly recall my human-computer interaction class in *1997* wherein one assignment was to create a phone interface. This was an undergraduate class, and the topic didn't seem all that revolutionary even then.

    Surely, a patent that deserves to be dismissed.

    sloth jr
  • i propose overthrowing the government. it will benefit just about every other company. surely people like song/panasonic etc must be thinking the same
  • by dilute (74234) on Sunday November 19 2006, @09:51AM (#16903954)
    For a community so up in arms about patents, the level of ignorance here about patents is astounding.

    What a patent actually COVERS is what is in the CLAIMS. The abstract means NOTHING. Here is the text of the three principal claims of this patent:

    1. An apparatus, comprising: an interface to connect to a synchronous digital link and to send and receive digital signals to and from a telephone switch over the synchronous digital link; a controller to generate graphical display information and events based on the digital signals received over the interface; and logic to communicate over an asynchronous digital link, to convert the digital signals to an asynchronous format, and to transmit the digital signals and the graphical display information and events over the asynchronous digital link, wherein the logic is arranged to receive key press and hook state commands over the asynchronous digital link.

    3. A method, comprising: receiving digital data from a public branch exchange (PBX) over a synchronous digital communication link; generating graphical display information and events based on the received digital data; transmitting the graphical display information and events over an asynchronous Internet protocol (IP) link; receiving a key press and hook state command over the asynchronous Internet protocol (IP) link; translating the key press and hook state command to a different format; and transmitting the translated key press and hook state command to the PBX over the synchronous digital communication link.

    6. A computer readable medium including instructions that, when executed, cause a computer to: convert received light events and display updates to a graphical format; cause a first display device to display a digital telephone including the light events and display updates; convert received input device data that is related to the displayed digital telephone into a packetized format, wherein the input device data includes a key press and hook state commands over asynchronous Internet protocol (IP) link; and transmit the packetized input device data over the asynchronous Internet protocol (IP) link.

    Also, the patent was based on an earlier application filed on February 25, 1999. For most purposes, the date against which to shoot with any invalidating prior art would have to be Feb. 25, 1998 or earlier. Having to go back these two additional years makes it much harder to shoot down this patent than it would be if the relevant time frame was 2000, as implied by the lead post.

    I don't know if the patent is valid or not, but it certainly has a lot more merit than suggested.

    Plus, as has been pointed out above, the patent owner was Intel, not the hated Microsoft.

    But, after all, this is Slashdot, so why be burdened by any actual facts?

    • Dialgoic, before being purchased by Intel, used to have a program of trying to acquire or patent computer telephony applications in such a way that no one could put a crimp on Computer Telephony based patents in general. [I believe this started after someone patented something involving computer telephone and went after Dialogic's customers who were creating and providing computer telephony solutions. In order to protect their market, Dialogic became involved. If anyone can confirm or deny this history, I'd
    • You are right that it is the claims that matter. In the case, the claims appear to cover a case where the softphone sends key presses and hook-state to a PBX. It seems like a pretty narrow claim since SIP softphones and IP PBXs don't do that. It would be a rather oddball system that was implemented in a way that infringed.

      That said, the oddball nature of the claims is also pretty retro. PBX phones worked this way when 8 bit CPUs were hot stuff, and you wanted to minimize what was going on in the phone. It i
      • Re: (Score:3, Informative)

        No, this was based on a provisional application dated February 26, 1999. Prior art need only exist on February 25, 1999 or earlier to invalidate this patent.

        No, a reference needs to have existed as of February 25,1998 in order to conclusively invalidate the patent under 35 U.S.C. sec. 102(b).

        You are free to argue that a reference dated between between February 26, 1998 and February 25, 1899 is prior art under 35 U.S.C. sec 102(a) or other similar provisions, but then you also need to prove that the referenc
  • by rswail (410017) on Sunday November 19 2006, @09:57AM (#16903994)

    Only the claims have any real standing when testing a patent... the first claim is for:

    An apparatus, comprising: an interface to connect to a synchronous digital link and to send and receive digital signals to and from a telephone switch over the synchronous digital link; a controller to generate graphical display information and events based on the digital signals received over the interface; and logic to communicate over an asynchronous digital link, to convert the digital signals to an asynchronous format, and to transmit the digital signals and the graphical display information and events over the asynchronous digital link, wherein the logic is arranged to receive key press and hook state commands over the asynchronous digital link.

    So this patent only covers an interface that communicates over a synchronous digital link, ie, ye old PBX. It doesn't cover any of the VoIP/SIP/RTP solutions. The first claim is too broad, in that PBX's have had this sort of controller/logic etc, so the subsequent claims come into play.

    Claim 3 talks about receiving digital data from a public branch exchange (PBX) over a synchronous digital communication link; so it's talking about POTS (Plain Old Telephone Service), admittedly over the newer digital circuits. Again, not VoIP/SIP/RTP.

    Claim 6 talks about a "medium" wherein the input device data includes a key press and hook state commands over asynchronous Internet protocol (IP) link;. So if you're not sending the equivalent of key presses and on/off hook states over the IP link, again, you're outside the bounds of the patent.

  • There used to be something called Dialpad that seems to have done just this. Googling it, it seems that it was recently acquired by Yahoo!
  • by iCEBaLM (34905) <icebalm@iceba[ ]com ['lm.' in gap]> on Sunday November 19 2006, @11:36AM (#16904640)
    Here's some prior art: dialpad in 1999 [dialpad.com].
    • Sounds like another silly patent on something obvious and common; the relevant question is, was it obvious and common in 2000 when the application was filed, or was it really original and novel at that time?

      It seems unlikely that it was really novel then, but I don't actually know for sure.
      • Wasn't there ICQ back then? I think that is prior art to at least some parts of the patent.
        • Re: (Score:2, Informative)

          NetPhone was around 10 years ago, and although it didn't provide a POTS gateway, it did allow you to talk to other NetPhone-equipped parties using a telephone-like interface remarkably similar to the softphones of today.

          I think someone at the USPTO needs a cockpunch.
          • Re: (Score:3, Informative)

            Wasn't that Net2Phone?

            Here is the companys timeline. http://web.net2phone.com/about/company/timeline.as p [net2phone.com]

            And here is the archive of their website from february 1997 http://web.archive.org/web/19970205073734/http://w ww.net2phone.com/ [archive.org]

            • by fyngyrz (762201) * on Sunday November 19 2006, @11:57AM (#16904786) Homepage Journal
              You simply have too much common sense for patents

              Right; patents aren't about common sense. Patents are about suppressing creative thought because some fool got to an office first. Probably the single greatest stumbling block to technology and progress humanity has ever had the misfortune to allow to be thrust upon itself.

                • Re: (Score:3, Insightful)

                  Wait! Could it be to help encourage invention? To give the inventor a very temporary monopoly to the inventor on the concept in question?

                  No, a mechanism already exists for that purpose; it is called "trade secret." The way it works, see, is that if your idea is complex enough to be non-trivial in terms of the resources required to instantiate it, then you just don't tell anyone how you did something, you simply develop it, and market it. If it is useful, you'll have a market window, and this gives you

      • by rvw (755107) on Sunday November 19 2006, @09:05AM (#16903722)
        I had an IBM Aptiva in 1997 with a phone system. I could telephone other people using the computer. This was done using a normal telephone line, no adsl or cable. The computer was not online. When somebody phoned me, I would hear a ringtone via the loudspeakers, and I could talk using a microphone. I used it several times, but it wasn't really practical, especially because of sound quality.
    • "CROSS REFERENCE TO A RELATED APPLICATION

      Applicants hereby claim priority based on Provisional Application No. 60/121,755 filed Feb. 26, 1999 and entitled "Digital Browser Phone" which is incorporated herein by reference"

      If I read this correctly, they claim priority over _someone_else's_ patent filing by referring to an earlier filing by themselves.