Felony For Refreshing a Web Page? 965
therandomw writes "An 18 year-old boy was recently arrested in Ohio for telling fellow students to refresh the schools web page in order to slow down the server. He is being charged with a felony and is currently being held in jail. According to Canton City Prosecutor Frank Forchione 'This new technology has created a whole wave of crimes, and we're just trying to find ways to solve them.'"
must be more zero tolerance (Score:5, Insightful)
AFAIK this barely even brushes up against being a felony, but let the school officials have their fun! Had they just ignored this and let it go (maybe take the kid aside and dress him down a bit), this would have slipped off the radar in half a day. As it is, they've loaded, locked, and are about to fire, aiming right at their own feet.
BTW, I'm just wondering who the first brave soul in slashdot is who will actually post the schools URL. (Also, BTW, it's pretty easily found in Google: Lake High School Uniontown Ohio, duh).
Re:must be more zero tolerance (Score:5, Informative)
this one?
Re:must be more zero tolerance (Score:5, Funny)
Or
Witness the firepower of a fully armed and operational slashdotting!!
School URL might be wrong, try this-- (Score:4, Informative)
Re:School URL might be wrong, try this-- (Score:5, Informative)
Re:must be more zero tolerance (Score:5, Funny)
"Your honor, the defendant is accused of taking part in a Slashdotting of a high school web server in the United States, and faces felony charges."
Re:must be more zero tolerance (Score:5, Informative)
4500 Atlantic Blvd. NE
Canton, OH 44705
Phone: 330-430-3850
Fax: 330-430-3839
Sherriff W. Bruce Umpleby
I can't find the boy's home phone to leave support messages there, although the article mentions that his address is:
13634 Mogadore Ave N.W.
Canton, OH (44685? Google maps finds the address, but USPS's site doesn't)
Which is a nice looking suburban home:
http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&hl=en&q=13634+Mog
Re:must be more zero tolerance (Score:4, Informative)
Well, what you're doing (coverting from an address to a map location) is called geocoding and it isn't quite an exact science. local.live.com points the same address to a location a ways south on the same road. So the house you're seeing is quite possibly not his at all. Oftentimes, the only data to go on is a start address and end address for a long section of road. Then interpolation is used in the middle. So take that stuff with a grain of salt.
Re:must be more zero tolerance (Score:5, Insightful)
Seriously, you're going WAY beyond the "sane" limit here. It's kinda scary that you want his phone number and have his address..
Re:must be more zero tolerance (Score:5, Funny)
Actually I have found the reverse to be true, to a point. With a dense population, you have more stupid people per square block.
Re:must be more zero tolerance (Score:3, Funny)
See how destructive his actions were, your honor. The school's servers were down for days.
Re:must be more zero tolerance (Score:5, Insightful)
You know, if the school was trying to run a version of /. on their servers to provide a discussion forum for tens of thousands of people around the world, you'd be right.
I doubt that is what the web server was intended to be doing, however. It was probably intended to provide information to local parents and students and people moving to the area.
To pretend that anyone who wants to run a webserver needs to have the amount of hardware and bandwidth that /. uses just so it can
do "the task [they] were intended for" is silly.
Read the article. He did not "merely link" to a site. He created a link with an explicit request for people to repeatedly refresh the page with the intent to crash the school's site. It's a static page, so repeatedly refreshing it serves no purpose other than create needless page requests and services, which was his intent. And he got caught. Good.
If it happened to a server you ran, you'd call it "denial of service". When it happens to someone else, it's "just the way the internet is supposed to work". Right.
Re:must be more zero tolerance (Score:5, Insightful)
Re:must be more zero tolerance (Score:4, Insightful)
Hammering a server for fun and games is NOT free speech. He is not attempting to discuss a political or social issue; it is simply a DDOS, even if it is a very simple one.
The issue isn't that he did something wrong. He did. The issue is the COMPLETE overreaction of the school officials.
He's a KID (not an asshole, an 18 year old KID), for gosh sakes, and he's just having fun. Since when was fun so wrong in our society?
Let's compare:
1) Fifty years ago, when a kid made a minor offense such as:
a) scratching some graffiti on a barn
b) scaring a farmer's animals to create havoc
He/she was forced to help the farmer for a few hours, or clean up their graffiti (community service). Now we throw them in JAIL and give them a FELONY charge which will follow them for the REST OF THEIR LIVES.
It's not like he hacked the computer or tried to change his grades. He's probably a smart kid wondering if it's possible to overload a server simply refreshing a page. Let him learn, both about computers and the (reasonable) consequences of his actions. Wanna teach "computer ethics" in school? This is how. Make him clean the school or suspend him for a day or something.
Re:must be more zero tolerance (Score:4, Funny)
Re:must be more zero tolerance (Score:5, Funny)
I have just one thing to say to that! (Score:5, Informative)
Regards,
Steve
Re:must be more zero tolerance (Score:5, Funny)
Wrong Lake HS (Score:4, Informative)
Canton Law Dept page (Score:5, Informative)
Re:Canton Law Dept page (Score:3, Insightful)
Re:Canton Law Dept page (Score:5, Funny)
Re:Canton Law Dept page (Score:5, Funny)
Come to think of it, it implies 'Manual' too.
Re:Canton Law Dept page (Score:5, Funny)
Re:Canton Law Dept page (Score:5, Informative)
218 Cleveland Ave SW
Canton, OH 44702
Phone: 330 - 489-3251
Fax: 330 - 489-3374
jmcarman@ci.canton.oh.us
Think I might send the citys law director am email telling him to get real.
Re:Canton Law Dept page PDF (Score:5, Funny)
http://www.cityofcanton.com/safetyservice/bldgcod
Re:must be more zero tolerance (Score:5, Insightful)
It's not the first time local officials have investigated situations where students are misusing computers. Forchione noted a 2005 case in which four Jackson High School students were charged with misdemeanors after being caught accessing the school computer system. Some grades were changed.
So, breaking in to the school's computer system, and changing grades is a misdemeanor, but encouraging people to visit the school's publicly posted website is a felony?
Yeah, I know the kid had malicious intentions, but why is this a felony when actually breaking into their system and causing damage is only a misdemeanor?
"Michael said it was a joke," Forchione said. "We showed him how we deal with this kind of joke."
This prosecutor needs to be smacked.
Re:must be more zero tolerance (Score:4, Insightful)
Re:must be more zero tolerance (Score:3, Insightful)
If your friends deny the use of Main Street to other motorists, you can expect to be hit with at least a misdemeanor charge for being a public nuisance. Operating a motorcade with out a permit and "cruising" too, if laws against those behaviors exist in your town and the police who trace the activity back to you want to send a message.
It's common sense. "Take a penny" trays
Re:must be more zero tolerance (Score:5, Informative)
1) The kid denies intent. That might be a hard sell, but it has potential.
2) Imminence and likelyhood: did any other kids even care about the site? Did anyone follow through? Quickly? That could be a show stopper right there.
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Re:must be more zero tolerance (Score:5, Insightful)
Yes. They deal with this kind of joke by wasting actual public resources (police, prosecutor, court staff, et cetera). Splendid.
Re:must be more zero tolerance (Score:5, Funny)
Until it was slashdotted.
Re:must be more zero tolerance (Score:3, Insightful)
Pretty whack.
Re:must be more zero tolerance (Score:5, Insightful)
It's not a "zero tolerance" issue, the kid, in a low-tech, manual way, instigated a Distributed Denial of Service attack against his school's computers.
The only difference here is this kid used a bunch of friend's fingers on the F5 key instead of a BotNet to get the job done.
Re:must be more zero tolerance (Score:4, Funny)
Oh Crap! (Score:5, Funny)
I just commited 7 felonies waiting for this story to appear.
Must Have A Pretty Bad Webserver (Score:3, Insightful)
Re:Must Have A Pretty Bad Webserver (Score:5, Funny)
*cough* Windows 98 *cough*
Article slashdoted... (Score:5, Funny)
Low-tech DDoS? (Score:5, Insightful)
Logically, the only thing that distinguishes a DoS from the Slashdot Effect is intent. If your intent is to spread awareness of the material that appears on a server, and the server can't handle it, well, that's tough for the server, but that's how the Internet works. If your intent is to take the server down, that's illegal.
Up until now, most deliberate attacks were automated, making it easy to separate overwhelming legit traffic from attacks -- but that's only really as accurate as trying to separate legitimate city traffic from criminals by assuming that anyone on foot is a burglar.
Of course, when you get down to the level of intent, you get to his contention that "Help me crash my school's server" was a joke, and that he wasn't actually trying to get people to follow through. And things get murky.
Re:Low-tech DDoS? (Score:5, Funny)
Of course, they would have been better off letting him slide than making a few hundred thousand / million geeks curious all at once. That server probably unhooked its own ethernet cable, packed up its keyboard and mouse, and walked out the front door by now. Or it melted and dripped all over the carpet.
Re:Low-tech DDoS? (Score:3, Funny)
Whatcha gonna do, punk!
Re:Low-tech DDoS? (Score:5, Interesting)
When someone steals $50000, they get charged with a felony and go to jail.
When someone steals $10, the get charged with a misdemeanor and get community service.
When someone steals $10 at high school, they get suspended.
When someone speeds 50mph over the speed limit, they get their license suspended.
When someone speeds 15mph over the speed limit, they get a $100 ticket.
When someone speeds in the high school parking lot, they get detention.
Now lets try this...
When someone mounts a large-scale DDoS against a major portal, they get arrested and charged with a felony
When someone mounts a tiny DDoS against their high school, they get... arrested and charged with a felony?
Re:Low-tech DDoS? (Score:4, Funny)
Yeah, a week of sitting at home hitting F5!
Re:Low-tech DDoS? (Score:3, Insightful)
I agree, but it begs the question: what if someone submitted a story to
Re:Low-tech DDoS? (Score:3, Interesting)
Note: If you assumed foot-traffic was criminals you'd also instantly make things like public demonstration illegal...
Which is interesting, because having lots of people manually refresh a page is a lot more akin to asking a whole crowd of street people to come hang out in your school parking lot and make it impossible to park versus say throwing down caltrops.
Which one
Seems like a waste of time and money (Score:5, Interesting)
Even so, it seems crazy to me to waste taxpayer dollars chasing down this citizen and even more dollars prosecuting him. While the law is supposed to be around to protect property, I don't see how this is a felony. He didn't do the refreshing, did he? He used his right to speak freely.
I'm sure I'll hear the standard arguments about how speech can be regulated and I repudiate all of them. Crying fire in a theatre is private property -- the Constitution protects nothing on private property and the theatre owner is responsible for setting the standards of speech. Telling someone how to make a bomb is also free expression/speech -- you're not making the bomb. In this case, if clicking excessively is a crime (I can't believe it would be), the people who did the act should be indicted.
I'd love to see what real crimes are happening right now in Canton City -- murders, rapes, thefts. Speeding tickets and telling people to refresh a website repeatedly are nothing compared to real property crime. The last quote about trying to solve them reads more to me like they're "trying to find ways to exploit them."
For the school -- they can now expect this to happen more often. The publicity in charging this guy is going to be mostly negative in the minds of the students. All we need now is to get the link visible on slashdot, right?
Re:Seems like a waste of time and money (Score:5, Insightful)
Judging by this quote, it sounds like they don't even really have a grasp on what kind of "attack" it was.
"It's a crime and it is important we take this seriously
Causing a tremendous amount of damage? WTF? He's not DDoSing Air Traffic Control. What a total load. This kid should sue these jackasses for libel, false arrest, and harassment.
Re:Seems like a waste of time and money (Score:5, Funny)
I'm sure the kid didn't cause a tremendous amount of damage. Not so sure about what the slashdotting will do....
Re:Seems like a waste of time and money (Score:5, Interesting)
In Sec 2909.04, (B) No person shall knowingly use any computer, computer system, computer network, telecommunications device, or other electronic device or system or the internet so as to disrupt, interrupt, or impair the functions of any police, fire, educational, commercial, or governmental operations.
(C) Whoever violates this section is guilty of disrupting public services, a felony of the fourth degree.
So, there's the law. We now return you to the discussion of whether this is an overreaction or not.
Re:Seems like a waste of time and money (Score:5, Insightful)
Re:Seems like a waste of time and money (Score:4, Informative)
Re:Seems like a waste of time and money (Score:4, Informative)
It is specifically illegal to incite others to commit a crime.
Re:Seems like a waste of time and money (Score:4, Insightful)
Re:Seems like a waste of time and money (Score:3, Insightful)
You don't make any sense.
Under your interpretation of free speech, it would be perfectly fine to cry "fire" in a public place (say, the Capitol building) and you would bear no responsibility for the resulting chaos that ensued, even if people were trampled to death during the panic.
That's ridiculous.
Re:Seems like a waste of time and money (Score:3, Insightful)
Congress shall make NO LAW... who doesn't make any sense?
If I scream fire in the Capitol building, and you trample another -- you committed the violent act. If I hear someone yell fire, I look, I smell, I consider.
Oh, when I was younger my parents' hou
Re:Seems like a waste of time and money (Score:3, Insightful)
Um
You think murder is legal/constitutional on private property? Or wiretapping? Or cruel and unusual punishment?
Crying fire in a crowded theatre -- as an example of the limits of free expression -- is the same regardless of whether the theatre is privately or publicly owned.
All of that said, getting folks to click "refresh" is
Re:Seems like a waste of time and money (Score:4, Interesting)
In my anarchocapitalist belief system, yes.
This country was founded on the idea that you can say what you want to say as long as you don't physically harm another person or their physical property. The initial revolt was no different than "We should defend our rights, and in doing so we will kill in defense."
I think inciting a riot or inciting others to do violence is still free speech -- the person who riots or performs violence is the person who commits a crime.
If the day comes for revolution, I don't want to see the government using speech to jail "traitors."
Re:Seems like a waste of time and money (Score:3, Informative)
Apparently it isn't, since they're both scenarios where encouraging another party to commit a felony is itself a felony.
How are they different, from the perspective of criminal law?
Apply this to eBay... (Score:3, Funny)
Let the slashdotting begin (Score:3, Informative)
Re:Let the slashdotting begin (Score:5, Funny)
Re:Let the slashdotting begin (Score:3, Funny)
That was a fast /.ing (Score:3, Informative)
the media (Score:5, Funny)
Re:the media (Score:3, Funny)
"He hacked into a web server (logged into blogspot) and modified the internal structure of it's files system (uploaded a web page) that created a "hyperlink" to the school's entire computer infrastructure (link to http://lake.stark.k12.oh.us/hs [k12.oh.us]). He then called upon his gang of evil cohourts to help him destroy their "servers" (asked people even more bored than him to visit that page and press F5 a few times until they realized it was as dumb as reading the blog). This caused a massive
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Holy Crap (Score:5, Funny)
In other news ... (Score:3, Funny)
Frank Forchione was quoted as saying
"Hot Diggidy, this new fangled technology sure is mighty fine !, but it's created a whole wave of crimes, and we'll just have to find ways to solve them."
Does this mean that it's also a felony (Score:5, Funny)
Re:Does this mean that it's also a felony (Score:3, Funny)
Good thing you posted as AC, otherwise Frank Forchione would be sending the cops after you and you'd probably wind up in one of those "pound me in the ass" penitentiaries.
Video of Story (Score:5, Informative)
Number of hits (Score:5, Informative)
Re:Number of hits (Score:3, Insightful)
FWIW, for everyone lambasting assuming that "connected to" means "linked to," it's possible that the kid's web page loaded the school's in fifteen hundred IFRAMES (and if the school's website is set to no-cache, which is probably likely, this could be trouble), and also that their hit counter only registers unique IP addresses.
Re:Number of hits (Score:3, Funny)
School (Score:5, Funny)
http://lake.stark.k12.oh.us/ [k12.oh.us]
The site is actually down, which is a shame; it would have been a nice oppurtunity to see if we could get Zonk thrown in jail for posting it on the Slashdot front page.
Wow (Score:3, Funny)
This doesn't make any sense (Score:5, Insightful)
- If a boy tells his friend to reload a webpage, he gets thrown into jail and gets felony charges.
- A lone spammer gets $11 billion in fines.
- If joe sixpack downloads a movie he gets huge fines.
Yet, if a medium to large corporation sell/delete customer records, infect consumers computers with spyware or the like, they only get a slap on the wrist?
When did corporations get more freedoms than individuals?
Re:This doesn't make any sense (Score:5, Informative)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Santa_Clara_County_v
Re:This doesn't make any sense (Score:5, Interesting)
It hardly matters. What we need to do is institute corporate death penalties. If a corporation has committed a felony and cannot practically be imprisoned, then the only remaining option is to execute them. (I.e., revoke their charter and confiscate their assets. N.B.: This doesn't mean the assets of the individuals involved, merely the corporate assets. To attach the assets of individuals, you would need to prosecute them as individuals.)
Re:This doesn't make any sense (Score:5, Insightful)
This happens when a populace starts caring more about iPods and celebrities than making sure their government isn't corrupt. If you live in America, you probably see what I'm talking about. And if you live here and don't see it, you've already fallen victim to it.
America, you've got the government you voted for (Score:5, Interesting)
For the last 25 years you have been voting for a Police State. And now that's exactly what you have. Congratulations, Democracy really works.
Now shut up, bend over and take it like a man.
-S
www.thecorporation.com (Score:4, Interesting)
The Corporation [thecorporation.com] tries to answer this question. Pretty cool documentary. It's slightly left-leaning but it does show the opinions of both righties and lefties as well as ex and current CEO's from various huge multinational corporations. Very interesting.
If you don't want to purchase or rent it, you can find a torrent on Sweden's favourite torrent site. [thepiratebay.org] :)
DoS not Refresh (Score:3, Insightful)
A felony is a bit harsh though. Perhaps there were significant damages involved. Or the cops are out of control.
Canton, OH is not known for common sense (Score:5, Funny)
"School officials are not sure they [know] what has caused so many pregnancies..."
Someone needs to get these people a clue-bat.
intent matters (Score:5, Insightful)
if i break your arm by taking it, looking dead in your eye, and twisting it as hard as i can, then there should be severe repercussions
the whole issue is one of intent
intent matters in this world, and any opinion that ignores intent, about this kid, or a whole range of modern problems in this world, is not a useful or valid opinion
Vulnerability exists on Linux as well (Score:5, Funny)
I hope there will be a patch soon!
New technology (Score:5, Funny)
This new technology has created a whole wave of crimes
Behold the refresh button, the wonder of modern technology.
You know, with this kind of logic... (Score:3, Funny)
What if he did it with PAPER? (Score:3, Insightful)
Yes, it's a low-tech sort of DDoS attack but it's not automated. He didn't actually do it himself. It involved the willful cooperation of other individuals. That makes it more like a "grassroots movement".
What if he had said, "Send an info request letter to my school, to swamp the mail-room," hmm?? That's the hardcopy version of what he did. Would he get thrown in jail for that?
I can understand that people wouldn't be pleased by this kid inciting a bit of social disruption, but calling it a felony and throwing him in jail is far too extreme.
Felony V. Misdemeanor (Score:5, Insightful)
Felonies are major or "permanent" crimes such as theft, maim, and murder. They connotate crimes that cannot be simply "cleaned up", crimes that cannot be undone in any meaningful sense and crimes that may signal permanent problems for the individual in question. Felonies attatch much stiffer penalties (for both juveniles and adults) as well as "permanence". In some states felons lose the right to vote permanently. This is politely known as "Civil Disenfranchisement". In Midevil times it was associated with the term "Civil Death". Felons are also forbidden from obtaining some jobs (in government), and have to tell all other employers of their status. They are also often forbidden from obtaining some scholarships and grants. While not all of these attatch automatically to juvenile felons many of them do. Increasing numbers of states are making no distinction between juvenile felonies and adult felonies. Unlike midsdemeanor crimes felons are truly marked for life.
The basic upshot of this is that this kid could be harmed for life for what is, in essence, a nothing crime. He encouraged people to visit a website and thereby caused a server to run slow, not stop, not crash, not burst into flames, just run slow. This is a temporary problem, a fixable problem, and one that doesn't even require two coats of paint.
This is a dangerous, vicious overreaction on the part of the city prosecutor, and the school officials. They are abusing their power and risk punishing a kid for life for something that should be handled by a stern talking to and no dessert.
Some ex convicts carry around a felony conviction that prevents them from re-entering society or impairs them in some way thus encouraging a return to crime. How much worse is that when the conviction is for something less-damaging than littering.
On another note, I wonder when the prosecutor's up for reelection?
The best quote (Score:5, Insightful)
HA! An overloaded server is damage? Tremendous?
I think this guy is trying to turn an overloaded school website (like anyone visits that anyway) into a mini-9/11.
Tremendous Damage is essentially reserved for 9/11, Oklahoma City, type damage.
IMHO that's borderline slander since it's extremely unlike for any true damage, forget about "Tremendous".
Those are just words to get in the paper, at the expense of someone else's reputation.
If I were that kids parents, I'd consider a lawsuit. Then again, nobody ever wins a lawsuit against a prosecutor.
Re:The best quote (Score:5, Insightful)
Better yet, his actions have actually resulted in the 'Tremendous amount of damage' he wanted to avoid.
Everything is a felony now (Score:4, Insightful)
In the 60s, when I was growing up, only real bad offenses were deemed felonies. Murder, Rape, Arson, Armed Robbery and other stuff like that. Then along comes a new breed of careerist prosecutors and grandstanding politicians, all one-uping each other to see who could be toughest on crime. They're ratcheted damn near everything up to felony status. Are there any misdimeanors anymore?
In my state and others, many drug offenses carry longer mandatory minimum sentences than violent crimes. I was buying ammo recently at a gun shop. There was a sticker beside the register which warned of a 10 year sentence for buying a firearm for someone who shouldn't have one. Well, there ought to be a serious penalty for that but Armed Bank Robbery carries a 7 year penalty. Either the illegal gun purchase should carry a shorter penalty or the violent robbery should carry more. It's nuts.
These officials who slapped the HS kid with a felony say they're doing it to send a message. This is zero tolerance run amuk. All this felonizing of picayune offenses reminds me of something Deep Purple Ian Gilliam joked about on the Made In Japan album, "Make everything louder than everthing else."
Please show damages (Score:5, Funny)
Lawyer: Why do you have a web site?
School: So the public can access it.
Lawyer: So, is the same machine running it today?
School: Yes.
Lawyer: Does it run on the same connection?
School: Yes.
Lawyer: And it runs the same software, with the same data?
School: Yes.
Lawyer: So, in fact, nothing was erased or altered on the machine in any way? Correct?
School: Yes.
Lawyer: Did your service provider charge you with any extra fees?
School: No.
Lawyer: So, apart from a handful of extra traffic, which you admit slowed down but did not stop, damage, or destroy hardware, software, or data, and which did not cost you any extra money, you had not other damages?
School: Uhm, well, I guess that's correct.
Lawyer: Tell me, do you sue the driver in front of you if he slows down, or charge the slow walking grandmother holding up the line with a felony?
School: Uhm, no.
Lawyer: Tell me, if all the phone lines are in use at the school because people are calling them, is that a felony? Are prank calls a felony?
School: Er, no.
Lawyer: So, your basis for the "damage" in this case is that a student basically asked his friends to "call-up" the computer until you had a busy signal.
School: Yes.
Lawyer: In fact, your entire web site listed less than 900 hits before it was Slashdotted into oblivion. Tell me, have you started legal proceedings against the news agency that took the story national, or Zonk for posting it on Slashdot?
School: Erm, no.
Lawyer: So, you're only willing to harrass young children? To send a child to prison for what amounts to no more than a phone call where they hang up? Is that what you feel is acceptable? Is that, in fact, what you view as teaching our children?
School: Er, do I have to answer that?
Lawyer: Well, you are making me wait, keeping me busy, I might have to file a felony suit against you for that...
This is pretty sad (Score:5, Insightful)
Being 18, they showed him, indeed, considering he will have a felony in the database tracking him for the rest of his life. In lieu of a job, I guess he can get a book from Loompanics on how to cook meth and be a drug dealer.
But I suppose they had to balance the ethical issues to reach a wise decision. I mean, it's hard to imagine the horror of school web sites crashing around the country. That would send a signal that we're weak on terra.
The more the idea takes hold in my mind, the easier it is to see examples of what cowardly bullies Americans are. Yup, the Canton police really showed this kid what happens when you mess with the school web site. "Take that computer-using high school kid!"
Maybe Kevin Mitnick can get him gigs speaking at the high school circuit?
Microsoft advocates this behavior! (Score:4, Interesting)
From Internet Explorer:
The page cannot be displayed
The page you are looking for is currently unavailable. The Web site might be experiencing technical difficulties, or you may need to adjust your browser settings.
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Please try the following:
Click the Refresh button, or try again later.
Re:Canton City website (Score:3, Funny)
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Evan
huh? (Score:3, Interesting)
So I suppose you are for punishing Ghandi? Or Martin Luther King, Jr? Or any one of many other civil disobedians.
I realize this isn't civil disobedience but my point is this: punishment is not always the best answer.