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Analog Hole Legislation Formally Introduced 549

phaedo00 writes "Ars Technica is covering a recent bit of legislation introduced to the U.S. House Judiciary Committee this past week. The laws would seek to close the 'Analog Hole' that serves as a sort of last-ditch pirating mechanism when corporate DRM goes all crazy and tramples on your fair-use rights: 'Calling the ability to convert analog video content to a digital format a significant technical weakness in content protection, H.R. 4569 would require all consumer electronics video devices manufactured more than 12 months after the DTCSA is passed to be able to detect and obey a rights signaling system that would be used to limit how content is viewed and used. That rights signaling system would consist of two DRM technologies, Video Encoded Invisible Light (VEIL) and Content Generation Management System--Analog (CGMS-A), which would be embedded in broadcasts and other analog video content.'" We've previously covered this bill.
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Analog Hole Legislation Formally Introduced

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  • by jhol ( 301546 ) on Monday December 19, 2005 @09:20AM (#14290241) Homepage
    ... but I think the whole A.Hole joke was covered in the previous slashdot article about the legislation ;)
  • by sczimme ( 603413 ) on Monday December 19, 2005 @09:25AM (#14290253)

    Calling the ability to convert analog video content to a digital format a "significant technical weakness in content protection,"

    I'm keen to see how these technically-inclined *ahem* folks intend to remove the digital-analog conversion: to the very best of my knowledge our eyes and ears are analog devices.

    H.R. 4569 would require all consumer electronics video devices manufactured more than 12 months after the DTCSA is passed to be able to detect and obey a "rights signaling system" that would be used to limit how content is viewed and used.

    I foresee a frenzy of electronics sales around ($DATE + 11_months).

    • by Zog The Undeniable ( 632031 ) on Monday December 19, 2005 @09:30AM (#14290274)
      I foresee a frenzy of cheap Chinese-made DVD recorders where you can simply press "tray open" and "0" to switch off the DRM system. They made region coding look a bit of a lame duck, anyway.
      • by archeopterix ( 594938 ) * on Monday December 19, 2005 @10:07AM (#14290459) Journal
        I foresee a frenzy of cheap Chinese-made DVD recorders where you can simply press "tray open" and "0" to switch off the DRM system. They made region coding look a bit of a lame duck, anyway.
        User's manual: Do not remove the third yellow jumper on the backpanel (counting from the left) to disable the VEIL content protection. This device should be used only to copy content that you have rights to. Thank you for your cooperation.
      • I foresee a frenzy of cheap Chinese-made DVD recorders where you can simply press "tray open" and "0" to switch off the DRM system. They made region coding look a bit of a lame duck, anyway.

        Despite of all these bouracratic devices that try to avoid unauthorized copy of copyrighted content and illegal importing (yes, it can be made) of cheap Chinese-made recorders, there is a much bigger problem when letting lobbyist (sorry for typo) to force the aprooval of laws like this.

        Fact! US is not a power exporte

      • Even major ones (Score:5, Informative)

        by Sycraft-fu ( 314770 ) on Monday December 19, 2005 @12:13PM (#14291266)
        Funny enough, that sort of thing isn't reserved to just cheap knockoffs. Take, for example, the Yamaha S2500. That's Yamaha's top of the line DVD player. MSRP is $750, street price is probably around $500. Ultra high-end components, DVD Audio playback, etc, etc. Ultra high end in other words. However, a brief search on the net reveals that it has a region hack built in. Just enter some codes on the remote, and like magic, no region lock.
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      by account_deleted ( 4530225 ) on Monday December 19, 2005 @09:34AM (#14290290)
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    • by kahei ( 466208 ) on Monday December 19, 2005 @09:39AM (#14290314) Homepage

      to the very best of my knowledge our eyes and ears are analog devices.


      Speak for yourself, flesh creature.

    • Just wait.

      Someone will try to apply this to the internet to regulate what you read.

      the ascreen you read is an analog hole for information, y'know.

      I am trying to be sarcastic, but I can see how the trend line is going.

    • That's why the next generation of DRM will actually be a small microchip implanted into your brain that does the last step of decoding, taking the scrambled analog inputs from your ears and driving the impulses directly into your somatic sensory cortex. It will probably also have a mandatory "copyright enforcement anti-circumvention device" consisting of a few tenths of a gram of plastic explosive, just in case you try to mod-chip it.

      It's the logical next step, really. Where else are you going to go?
  • Ha! (Score:5, Funny)

    by Zog The Undeniable ( 632031 ) on Monday December 19, 2005 @09:27AM (#14290261)
    They still can't prevent me from watching the film and telling people what happens...but I'm sure the MPAA is currently bribing a senator to sponsor the Psycho-Implant Motion Pictures Erased Digitally (PIMPED) bill.
  • I predict... (Score:5, Insightful)

    by Spad ( 470073 ) <`slashdot' `at' `spad.co.uk'> on Monday December 19, 2005 @09:28AM (#14290264) Homepage
    I predict a sudden upsurge in the sales of old video hardware on ebay.
  • Apparently if you have the money you can do the impossible. Apparently.

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  • by bigattichouse ( 527527 ) on Monday December 19, 2005 @09:31AM (#14290275) Homepage
    So, given a pile of cash - how does this stop the Appropriately-Motivated-Bad-Guy(tm) from building his own damn equipment?
    • by rolfwind ( 528248 ) on Monday December 19, 2005 @09:41AM (#14290321)
      It doesn't. It's to prevent John Q. Public from doing anything - they couldn't care less about the random EE inclined hacker who would could patch something together.

      They are our representatives, yet they don't represent us.

      It doesn't matter - I haven't watched Hollywood movies or TV in the last 6 months - and you know what? I found out I don't have a need for it either. Hollywood isn't going to get another dollar of my cash nor a minute of my attention anymore (TV). That's how I'm voting from now on.

      I'd rather have a good book or website or/and do something productive with my time than be a slave to the media industry anymore.
      • by kfg ( 145172 ) on Monday December 19, 2005 @10:18AM (#14290521)
        "Hollywood isn't going to get another dollar of my cash nor a minute of my attention anymore (TV)."

        Which just "proves," statistically, that you must be pirating the steaming piles of shit.

        Obviously we need a Content Remembursment Appropriations Policy (CRAP) Act to make sure the content providers are suitably recompensed out of your tax dollars for all the shows you're stealing from them by not watching them.

        Of course not watching the ads in the content you aren't watching is going to be a criminal offense, you fucking thief you.

        KFG
      • by Vicsun ( 812730 )
        "It doesn't. It's to prevent John Q. Public from doing anything - they couldn't care less about the random EE inclined hacker who would could patch something together."
        Which is pretty fucking dumb considering one random EE inclined hacker is enough to leak their precious motion picture. I know it's been said before, but I'll reiterate: this will not even inconvenience me, the pirate, while it will surely hurt paying consumers.

        I'm glad I'm not a paying consumer; at least I don't feel bad about being treated
  • Bad legislation (Score:5, Insightful)

    by ReformedExCon ( 897248 ) <reformed.excon@gmail.com> on Monday December 19, 2005 @09:31AM (#14290278)
    This isn't bad because it limits freedom or any such nonsense. That's a lot of hot air blown by zealots with lots more free time than brain cells.

    This is bad legislation because it attempts to force certain types of technology into existence. While a government program designed to discourage people from engaging in media piracy would be a good thing, mandating that all devices have this built in is simply a way to skirt the issue while appearing to be tackling the problem.

    Such a law does not stop what it is intended to stop. Pirates will still be able to break the encryption, replicate the media, and resell it on the open street in lands far away from where American law can reach. This law is useless anywhere other than America.

    What you get, instead of stopping piracy, is a mandated standard form of copy encryption and DRM that may or may not be adequate for everyone's needs. Instead of letting the market figure out what forms of DRM will be used, the government decides that it's items A, B, and C that need to be addressed. Nevermind that in the future item B may no longer be useful and item D is not provided for at all.

    It's unfortunate that the respectable John Conyers (D) is drafting this bill. I would have expected more from the gentleman.
    • Such a law does not stop what it is intended to stop. Pirates will still be able to break the encryption, replicate the media, and resell it on the open street in lands far away from where American law can reach. This law is useless anywhere other than America.

      This law is in no way designed to go after the big guys. It's all about the small fish and keeping them in check.

      Essentially the TV and Movie industry is terriffied that what happened to the music industry will happen to them. I.e., people will stop viewing entertainment as a commodity [bbc.co.uk]. Or at the very least, people will realise that the prices they pay for it are unreasonable.

      How does this law try to change that? Essentially it makes it more difficult for Joe Consumer to view his music, movies, films, tv shows, etc as something he can do what he likes with, .i.e. share. These restrictions, along with big warnings along the lines of "You cannot record this program", "you do not have permission...." "It is an offense..." etc, etc, all reinforce the idea in his head that a video or sound recording is not his/hers. It is still someone elses, despite copyright law and any monies he/she may have paid for the product.

      The movie industry is afraid of what's already happened. New technologies have made people realise that information is cheap, and even cheaper to duplicate. There is no justification for charging $20 per gigabyte when I can upload terrabytes for less than a dollar. And people have realised this. Even Joe sixpack cops it after a few days in front of his computer.

      But, if you can legislate, you can slow this tide and perhaps even reverse it. It is possible. Rhetoric won't make people revolt. An example of this system failing, but having lasting effects, is alcohol prohibition in the 30's. An example of this system working well( for its proponents) is the illegalisation of marijuana.
      • by 99BottlesOfBeerInMyF ( 813746 ) on Monday December 19, 2005 @12:01PM (#14291168)

        This law is in no way designed to go after the big guys. It's all about the small fish and keeping them in check.

        This is not designed to stop pirating at all. Small scale pirating does not lose the media companies a significant amount and even a medium sized operation can manage to find old hardware or foreign hardware without these restrictions. The purpose of this legislation is to ensure that the next media format and hardware has no way to import your current media, thus forcing you to buy yet another copy of the music, book, or song you already own. That is big money and that is diametrically opposed to the interests of these politicians supposed constituents. That is also why this crap is always presented as a piracy issue, rather than what it really is. Please stop believing their lies.

  • by digitaldc ( 879047 ) * on Monday December 19, 2005 @09:32AM (#14290280)
    They just couldn't keep up and I am sure now they will stop pirating since this law was introduced.
    Pirates always follow the law.
  • Not flamebait (Score:5, Insightful)

    by squarooticus ( 5092 ) on Monday December 19, 2005 @09:33AM (#14290285) Homepage
    Just a definition, from the American Heritage Dictionary:

    Fascism is a system of government that exercises a dictatorship of the extreme right, typically through the merging of state and business leadership, together with belligerent nationalism.

    For all you Bush-haters, this is not a rant about Bush, because he has zero power to pass laws. This is about members of both major parties in Congress, who regularly put aside their differences to expand the state-granted power of privileged businesses at the direct expense of our rights. This is fascism, by definition, yet we keep saying, "Thank you sir; may I have another?"

    The problem is that politicians need pander to voters only on two or three issues, and then are free to do whatever is most profitable to them on all other issues. You might even be able to make the argument that the "major" issues we hear Congress critters rant about (the war, social security, the war, taxes, the war) are simply a smokescreen for the corruption, because it keeps our rights off most peoples' radars.
    • Re:Not flamebait (Score:3, Insightful)

      by CodeShark ( 17400 )
      Hear hear!!

      Trouble is, something akin to fascism is what many large corporations seem to be after, with the dictatorship run by "profit-only" boards of directors. Seems to me they forget the trouble that caused the last time the power of the corporation became to great. Namely well empowered trade unions, cross-corporate product boycotting, not to mention the eventually passage of a whole lot of legislation which limited the malignant powers of the corporation and opened up many many avenues of legal ret

    • Re:Not flamebait (Score:3, Interesting)

      by overlord2 ( 136876 )
      While I agree with the original thinking behind parent, I don't completely agree with the "only on two or three issues" sentiment. A political science major by training (IT pro by profession), one of the things that I learned while in school is the one thing that our representatives fear most: not being re-elected. As some have put it, new donors can be found, new voters or Congressional seats cannot be if they don't get reelected.

      The problem here isn't entirely the representatives; in fact, I would argue
    • Re:Not flamebait (Score:5, Insightful)

      by morgan_greywolf ( 835522 ) on Monday December 19, 2005 @10:05AM (#14290452) Homepage Journal
      From spying on American citizens, to government-mandated DRM, to the removals of our fundamental rights to free speech, freedom of the press, freedom of religion, and the right to bear arms, the government has taken away more and more of our rights each year.

      And we bend over and grease up year after year because they tell us that it's for the good of the children, for our own safety, or for the stability of our economy.

      The fact is, as long as we allow these fascists to rule our government by NOT voting them out of power, it is not as simple as the take over of the fascist state -- it is we who are the fascists, even though most of us don't even know it.

      It's time to become aware of what's going on around us and STOP it. It's time to start voting for candidates who support freedom as opposed to special interests. Forget about such minor issues as social security and taxes and start focusing on the core reasons that made this country the great nation it once was -- liberty and freedom for all of her citizens.

      Okay, okay, I'm getting off of my soap box now... ;)
      • Re:Not flamebait (Score:3, Insightful)

        by Bobb Sledd ( 307434 )
        Whatever you think. You're right, but the problem is there is just too much (for me) to keep up with.

        I just choose to ignore these new laws. Me and a few million people. If they want to arrest us, they'll have to either arrest all of us or do it lottery-style. Won't matter, I'm not afraid either way.

        Fact is, if they wanted to throw you in jail, there is likely already SOME law that you have broken. Or are a suspect of breaking.

        So, I don't care that my rights are trampled, because I refuse to acknowledg
    • Re:Not flamebait (Score:5, Interesting)

      by hey! ( 33014 ) on Monday December 19, 2005 @10:10AM (#14290480) Homepage Journal
      For all you Bush-haters, this is not a rant about Bush, because he has zero power to pass laws.

      Technically speaking, sure, except you can't ignore the way everybody parrots exactly the same talking points with almost verbatim the same words.

      The basic political/media strategy of the Republican party is to win the debate by defining the terms used in the debate. This requires a great deal of cooperation and coordination between leading party members and their media flunkies. The aparachniks must be coordinate from somewhere. Currently this is the White House.

      The more abstract an issue is to people the better this works. Gay Marriage, DRM, these things don't really mean anything concrete in most people's daily lives. In any debate where you have to start by educating the public, a coordinated media effort beats accuracy. Issues with real and concrete impact on people's lives, such as gas prices, can't be controlled this way.

      I think unless it is largely wrapped up within the next year, the war will be the issue that will break the back of this strategy. Before a war starts, it is an abstraction. Afterwards, it becomes undeniably concrete to more and more people. As an American, I think we should get out of there quickly. However if we don't, although our national interests will suffer greatly, and many indiviiduals and families will suffer unspeakably, it will be a blow against American fascism.
    • Re: (Score:3, Insightful)

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    • ...says

      From the actual dictionary:

      Fascism a. A system of government marked by centralization of authority under a dictator, stringent socioeconomic controls, suppression of the opposition through terror and censorship, and typically a policy of belligerent nationalism and racism. b. A political philosophy or movement based on or advocating such a system of government. 2. Oppressive, dictatorial control.

      That's not quite the same thing, is it? Did you, per chance, think you could just slip through a ra
  • No, literally. My eyes and ears are the analog hole. I have wetware exploits out the wazoo, and a damn near photogrpahic memory (albeit with some lossy codecs). The only way these copyright cartels are going to be able to legislate these holes closed will be to sew my eyes shut and fill my ears with cement. They should probably cut my fingers off and cut my tongue out while they're at it.

    Are we going to stand for this? Are we?
  • by Xserv ( 909355 )
    ... Does that mean that if you have a piece of hardware that was created before the new legislation you don't have anything to worry about?

    Xserv
  • by blueZhift ( 652272 ) on Monday December 19, 2005 @09:34AM (#14290292) Homepage Journal
    Yet another piece of legislation that will do nothing to stop the real pirates! Indeed, as *AA imposes more and more restrictions, inconveniences, and expense upon consumers, they will make the cheaper and relatively hassle free offerings of pirates even more compelling. It's been argued before, but it seems all too clear that the most effective way to combat piracy is to offer a better product at a reasonable price. But I guess some people just have to learn the hard way.
  • Off target again (Score:5, Insightful)

    by digidave ( 259925 ) on Monday December 19, 2005 @09:34AM (#14290294)
    This will stop people who actually want their fair use rights from making their own copies, but will do nothing to stop the people selling pirate copies on the street or the release groups putting the content on the net. I doubt there will be even a single day where releases are stopped because of this.
  • I, Karma Whore (Score:5, Informative)

    by rolfwind ( 528248 ) on Monday December 19, 2005 @09:36AM (#14290300)
    The Digital Transition Content Security Act of 2005 (PDF) is sponsored by Rep. Jim Sensenbrenner (R-WI) and Rep. John Conyers (D-MI) (PDF) and would close that pesky analog hole that poses such a dire threat to the survival of the music and movie industries. The bill was originally planned for introduction in early November, but was tabled after hearings held by the House Subcomittee on Courts, the Internet, and Intellectual Property.


    Remember, Wisconsin and Michigan residents, these are your representatives. Unless you support the massive "content creation" in your area, you might want to drop these assholes a note:

    http://www.house.gov/sensenbrenner/ [house.gov]

    http://www.house.gov/conyers/ [house.gov]

    Oh, and this is how they think on the subject:

    According to Reps. Sensenbrenner and Conyers, the legislation is absolutely necessary because of the dire threat PCs and the Internet pose to the content-creation industry's very livelihood. Apparently, it's not nimble enough to keep up with advances in technology.


    Tell them why they are wrong.
  • by putko ( 753330 ) on Monday December 19, 2005 @09:37AM (#14290305) Homepage Journal
    So it applies to consumer electronics.

    Not kits? How about components? Hardware hackers will be making money on the side selling stuff. Or maybe the Chinese will just make it and sell it.

    Also, I remember how easy it was to mod a scanner in '93 to make it pick up cellphone signals -- just remove a single SMT resistor. This was the work of minutes. And voila -- full band reception.

    So easily modded consumer goods (whatever that is) will be banned too.

    This looks to be tough to enforce.
    • by nolife ( 233813 ) on Monday December 19, 2005 @10:52AM (#14290725) Homepage Journal
      Also, I remember how easy it was to mod a scanner in '93 to make it pick up cellphone signals -- just remove a single SMT resistor. This was the work of minutes. And voila -- full band reception.

      So easily modded consumer goods (whatever that is) will be banned too.


      To add to your comment..
      That is exactly what they did with scanners. They went back and edited the law to include that the scanner must not be able to be easily modified. Here is a paste from a scanner faq:

      In its simplest form, US Federal laws (Communications Act of 1934, Electronic Communications Privacy Act of 1986, Telecommunications Disclosure & Dispute Resolution Act of 1992, Digital Telephony Bill of 1994) make it illegal to :

      1. Repeat what you hear to anyone but the transmitter or intended receiver of the transmission
      2. Use what you hear to aid in the commission of a crime (e.g. evading police)
      3. Use what you hear for personal gain (e.g. tow trucks listening for accidents to show up opportunistically at the scene)
      4. Listen to transmissions relating to the following services :
      * cellular phones
      * cordless phones
      * public land mobile systems
      * voice paging services
      * satellite/microwave/studio-to-transmitter links
      * broadcast point-to-point relays.
      5. Import a receiver which is capable of tuning cellular telephone frequencies
      6. Import frequency converters which can be used to circumvent the blockage of cellular telephone frequency bands


      Then took it a few steps further in 1997 and released directive DA 97-334 [fcc.gov] to make the modification you described above illegal:

      Scanning receivers are required by Section 15.101(a) of the FCC Rules to be certificated by the Commission. Section 15.121 states that scanning receivers, and frequency converters designed or marketed for use with scanning receivers, must be incapable of operating (tuning), or readily being altered by the user to operate, within the frequency bands allocated to the Domestic Public Cellular Radio Telecommunications Service. Scanners that are capable of "readily being altered by the user" include, but are not limited to: those for which the ability to receive cellular telephone frequencies can be added by clipping the leads of, or installing, a simple component, such as a diode, resistor and/or jumper wire; replacing a plug-in semiconductor chip; or programming a semiconductor chip using special access codes or an external device. Scanners and frequency converters for use with scanners, must also be incapable of converting digital cellular frequencies to analog voice audio. Under Section 15.37(f), the manufacture or importation of scanning receivers, and frequency converters used with scanning receivers, that do not comply with Section 15.121 shall cease on or before April 26, 1994.


      I have been loosely following the changes over the years and have always been a scanner person. What stands out with these modifications to the communications act to prevent cellular listening is the speed the FCC acted and continued to act and modify the laws as people found ways around the initial wording. I never really fully understood the motivations. I assume it was the cellular providers trying to provide consumers a false sense of security in combination with not having to admit they went cheap and used plain old non encypted analog commun
  • by Junior J. Junior III ( 192702 ) on Monday December 19, 2005 @09:37AM (#14290306) Homepage
    Keep on making shitty movies and music that suck ass, and you'll kill all motivation to illegally copy them. This is the real solution, and the MP/RI-AA is a lot closer to it than they realize.
  • I foresee the return of the good old days that hardware hackers soldered together their own hardware to be able to hack certain systems (mainly ma Bell had to suffer from this). All these protection schemes are vulnerable to the "uber"hackers and commercial pirates alike.

    And for "old" equipment: HD-DVD, Blu-ray or any other new storage medium needs the backing of the recording & film industry to get of the ground. If necessary they will start a new standard incompatible with all the older equipment if
  • by hackstraw ( 262471 ) * on Monday December 19, 2005 @09:45AM (#14290343)
    Terminology descriptions for those that do not know or do not speak English natively:

    legislation - conversation amongst lawmakers and people in power to perpetuate their power through making new laws (see circular reasoning)"Analog Hole" - Hole does not have particularly positive connotation,but the denotation is pretty benign. It just means a void, butsometimes a void is not good such as a hole in an argument (unlike circular reasoning). Analog means parallel or "old school" electronicsspeak where the signals are much more like the real world, especially interms of audio and video signals, but digital signals that are quantizedor algorithmically fuzzed encoded of analog signals is currentlyprefered because it is easier to manipulate with digital electronics andit has little to no signal loss when being transferred from one device to another. "Analog Hole" is a term used to increase the validity of end users' ability to copy material that is much easier to copy digitally except the people that "own" the data don't like people to copy it because it threatens their business model of profit of content distribution even though people are more than willing to distribute content for free or at a much lower price than the people that do it
    now. This is a very similar job of those that do legislation.

    "last-ditch pirating mechanism" - another term to increase the validity of end users' skill and ability to copy content without the permission
    of the people that try to make a profit off of content distribution.
    Pirate used to be associated with people that used to rob ships at sea.
    For some reason, this is not much of an occupation despite the lack of
    physical or legal protection of goods on ships. Pirates today are more
    known for distributing digital content without the consent of those
    that try to profit from distributing digital content. "last-ditch" is a
    strange term meaning a desperate attempt to do something that has not
    been successfully done through more conventional means (see last-resort)

    DRM - aka Digital Rights Management. A funny term to describe a way
    for those who try to make a profit from distributing digital content by
    making it more difficult to distribute digital content (see eliptical
    reasoning)

    I hope this clears things up, and that it gets seen as a post on
    slashdot.org because it is something that actually took time and effort
    to think about so it will be placed lower in the ordered list of
    quicker, less thought out posts of others.

    It must be Tuesday, I could never get the hang of Tuesdays.

    Don't ask why the formatting is weird.

  • let them do it! (Score:5, Insightful)

    by Ancient_Hacker ( 751168 ) on Monday December 19, 2005 @09:45AM (#14290346)
    Lettem do it. It's totally pointless as:
    • There are several hundred million A/D converters already in use that ignore the VEIL info.That should be plenty enough input devices for anyone who really wants to copy audio or video.
    • Macrovision can be defeated by two resistors and a diode. With VEIL it may take one more 5 cent capacitor. Really.
    • One can always go and buy a generic A/D flash converter chip for around $8. It's unlikely they can control all the A/D chip manufacturers worldwide.
  • by vettemph ( 540399 ) on Monday December 19, 2005 @09:45AM (#14290348)
    The current laws don't seem to be stoping the traders. New laws from a slightly different angle will not help.

      The analog hole will always exist as long as 'we' amature musicians can buy microphones and 'us' engineers can buy or design data aquisition hardware (MP3's are just data points). Can't wait to make my PIC based Analog to digital converter/recorder.

      People who have more freedom than US citizens will not be affected.

    No, I did not RTFA. Maybe I'll go back and do it now.
  • Veil? (Score:5, Funny)

    by archeopterix ( 594938 ) * on Monday December 19, 2005 @09:46AM (#14290357) Journal
    "Video Encoded Invisible Light (VEIL)"?

    "Encoded Video Invisible Light"?(EVIL)

    "Video Invisible Light Encoded"?(VILE)

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    by account_deleted ( 4530225 ) on Monday December 19, 2005 @09:57AM (#14290405)
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  • Let them plug away (Score:4, Interesting)

    by Billosaur ( 927319 ) * <<wgrother> <at> <optonline.net>> on Monday December 19, 2005 @10:22AM (#14290543) Journal

    So the analog-to-digital channel is denied -- big deal! How many times have I passed vendors in the NYC subway hawking copies of movies that have just been released in theatres in cheesy cases with obviously color-copied covers? As long as you can afford a digitial video camcorder, DVDs, and a burner, you can copy movies or TV or whatever. Who needs analog?

  • HE'S THE ONE! (Score:3, Insightful)

    by Trip Ericson ( 864747 ) on Monday December 19, 2005 @10:29AM (#14290589) Homepage
    Last time this bill came up I said this, and I'll say it again.

    I don't think the industry or anyone expects it to pass. I think they expect it to fail, and then they'll get a lesser, though still not acceptable, bill passed that does what the industry really wants.

    Because let's be honest, all you're going to do with this bill is piss people off. You want to get people up in arms? Get between them and their TV. See how long you live.

    Why do you think the digital TV transition, which was supposed to occur in just over a year, has now been pushed to 2009? The people in Washington don't want people to be able to point to them and say "THEY KILLED TV!"
  • but...? (Score:3, Insightful)

    by el_womble ( 779715 ) on Monday December 19, 2005 @10:32AM (#14290607) Homepage
    Can't consumers make analogue to digital transfers pretty easily?

    Complicated, silicon solutions aside, my father-in-law, who doesn't know how to send email, figured out how to digitize his old 8mm films on his own - point a digicam at the screen.

    Last time I checked, I didn't have an organic usb port in the back of my head, so at some point the digital signals have to be converted to light and sound, and neither of them can be DRMd without making the whole system useless, because unless they are going to make home studios and digital cameras illegal they can't stop us from recording it.

    When will they learn that DRM is a deterant not a solution? Not least of all, its an incentive to others, who break it 'because they can'.
  • by mikehunt ( 225807 ) on Monday December 19, 2005 @10:46AM (#14290690)
    If this gets passed, nobody outside the USA will want to buy American made hardware.

    In terms of TVs and other consumer hardware, this might not hurt too much - it's all made by the Japanese and Koreans anyway. However, if this nonsense gets integrated into computer hardware, it would spell the end of any export sales for such equipment.

    And as other posters have commented - it won't stop the dedicated.
  • by swillden ( 191260 ) <shawn-ds@willden.org> on Monday December 19, 2005 @11:06AM (#14290802) Journal

    ... as long as one proviso is added. In addition to requiring all consumer devices to honor the copyright protection system, the law must also require all consumer devices to honor all of the exceptions codified in current copyright law. In particular, devices need to detect and permit Fair Use as well as reproduction of content whose term of copyright protection has expired. The things that copyright law allows are just as important as the things it restricts, so if you're going to require device manufacturers to build devices that enforce the law, they need to enforce *all* of the law, not just most of it.

    • Agreed. If my hardware wants to enforce the law (and I'd like to point out that car governors don't limit cars to the speed limit almost anywhere), then it better enforce it accurately.

      More importantly, there should be provision for rights requests to be honored remotely. That is to say, if I actually do call up Disney and get rights to make a copy of a movie that will be on TV tonight, how are they going to be able to "allow" me to do so?

      Sophisticated keying systems with authority placed in neutral bodie
  • by nojayuk ( 567177 ) on Monday December 19, 2005 @11:09AM (#14290818)
    ...called "Rainbows End" due out next August is set about thirty years in the future. It mentions in passing that for Homeland Security and DRM reasons a flip-flop circuit now consists of several thousand transistors. There are moonshine fabs in Bolivia and in the hills of Akansas producing silicon for hackers who want to circumvent the restrictions but possession of such devices is a Federal rap and illegal fabs are destroyed by the US military operating with international support.

    Anyone who seriously wants to record HDTV and has a modicum of technical knowledge can bypass all this cruft. Fast A/D converters on the RGB drivers and scan circuitry of an HDTV set plus some code to convert the raw voltages back into pixel data would do it. The same thing in the digital domain would work for LCD drive signals. VEIL, HDMI and other encryption systems will do bupkis to prevent recording at this level because it's directly at the point of display and that HAS to be unencrypted for himan beings to make sense of the visual and auditory data.

  • Priorities? (Score:4, Insightful)

    by Guppy06 ( 410832 ) on Monday December 19, 2005 @11:30AM (#14290927)
    "US House Judiciary Committee"

    OK, so the people that could and should be pursuing articles of impeachment against President Bush for his illegal domestic wiretaps are instead spending their time whoring themselves out to the MPAA?

    Maybe they should look into enforcing existing laws every once in a while instead of writing new and needless laws.
  • by splatter ( 39844 ) on Monday December 19, 2005 @11:38AM (#14290998)
    Here is a link:http://judiciary.house.gov/CommitteeMembershi p.aspx Here is a list of names and states they represent..... If you care about this topic take the time to write them and let them know how stupid this is.
    Hon. Hyde(R) Illinois, 6th [house.gov]
    Hon. Coble(R) North Carolina, 6th [house.gov]
    Hon. Smith(R) Texas, 21st [house.gov]
    Hon. Gallegly(R) California, 24th [house.gov]
    Hon. Goodlatte(R) Virginia, 6th [house.gov]
    Hon. Chabot(R) Ohio, 1st [house.gov]
    Hon. Lungren(R) California, 3rd [house.gov]
    Hon. Jenkins(R) Tennessee, 1st [house.gov]
    Hon. Cannon(R) Utah, 3rd [house.gov]
    Hon. Bachus(R) Alabama, 6th [house.gov]
    Hon. Inglis(R) South Carolina, 4th [house.gov]
    Hon. Hostettler(R) Indiana, 8th [house.gov]
    Hon. Green(R) Wisconsin, 8th [house.gov]
    Hon. Keller(R) Florida, 8th [house.gov]
    Hon. Issa(R) California, 49th [house.gov]
    Hon. Flake(R) Arizona, 6th [house.gov]
    Hon. Pence(R) Indiana, 6th [house.gov]
    Hon. Forbes(R) Virginia, 4th [house.gov]
    Hon. King(R) Iowa, 5th [house.gov]
    Hon. Feeney(R) Florida, 24th [house.gov]
    Hon. Franks(R) Arizona, 2nd [house.gov]
    Hon. Gohmert(R) Texas, 1st [house.gov]
    Hon. Berman(D) California, 28th [house.gov]
    Hon. Boucher(D) Virginia, 9th [house.gov]
    Hon. Nadler(D) New York, 8th [house.gov]
  • Hidden danger... (Score:5, Insightful)

    by Spy der Mann ( 805235 ) <`moc.liamg' `ta' `todhsals.nnamredyps'> on Monday December 19, 2005 @12:12PM (#14291255) Homepage Journal
    that entertainment will slip out from the big companies' hands. Suddenly people will start producing creative-commons TV shows, and broadcast them over the internet.

    Plus, there is a tiny detail these companies have forgotten: They can't lobby other countries. Try passing a law that forbids analog recording in Venezuela, Argentina, Indonesia or Hong Kong (not to mention the great dragon).

    What will happen when the average american finds himself at disadvantage with other countries?

    If TV companies insist on closing the doors to their own viewers, suddenly they'll realize they only locked themselves out.

    Smart move, really.
  • In other news..... (Score:3, Insightful)

    by IchBinEinPenguin ( 589252 ) on Monday December 19, 2005 @06:53PM (#14294926)
    Calling the ability to convert analog video content to a digital format a "significant technical weakness in content protection,"

    In other news, calling "the ability to choose not to watch crappy movies" a "signifficant weakness in our buisness model", the **AA are calling for critical thinking to be outlawed.
  • Strange timing (Score:3, Insightful)

    by cpu_fusion ( 705735 ) on Monday December 19, 2005 @07:40PM (#14295215)
    Nice holiday gift for corporate America. We know who Senator Claus thinks was good this year. Nice coal in the shoes of the working stiffs. We must have been naughty, you know, working to earn the economy the money to pay for those bribes.

    How did they find time to put this into committee and not time to file orders of impeachment for our government spying on its citizens without court supervision.

    This is gonna be one hell of a New Year.

  • by Jason Pollock ( 45537 ) on Monday December 19, 2005 @07:57PM (#14295318) Homepage
    Can you imagine...

    Creating a bunch of devices that emit the "Do Not Copy" signal cheaply, battery powered... Now place this device in front of your favourite landmark. In fact, place them wherever you want!

    All of a sudden, people are unable to take pictures of it.

    Now, take one of these devices to a press conference. The TV cameras won't be able to cover it!

    I forsee a lot of warranty returns if that happens.

    Still, might be good for individual privacy. Can you imagine carrying one of them and security cameras not being allowed to record your presence?

    Awesome!

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