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Texas Sues Sony BMG over Rootkit
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ScuttleMonkey
on Mon Nov 21, 2005 07:24 PM
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Mr. Sketch writes "According to Yahoo!, Texas Attorney General Greg Abbott 'filed a civil lawsuit on Monday against Sony BMG Music Entertainment for including "spyware" software on its media player designed to thwart music copying. [...] Texas is seeking civil penalties of $100,000 per violation of the state's Consumer Protection Against Computer Spyware Act, which was enacted earlier this year. "Sony has engaged in a technological version of cloak and dagger deceit against consumers by hiding secret files on their computers," Abbott said in a statement.'"
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So, um... (Score:5, Funny)
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First Prime Factorization Post (Score:5, Funny)
Scotch Tape (Score:5, Interesting)
from the link:
Can anyone verify this on their own disks?
Re:Scotch Tape (Score:5, Informative)
Using a bit of tap to do it is just grandstanding.
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Re:Scotch Tape (Score:5, Informative)
Congratulations, you just violated the DMCA.
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In other news (Score:5, Informative)
That takes balls.... (Score:5, Funny)
Unfortunately, his opponent in the next election can back the Brinks truck up to Sony HQ at his convenience.
Attorney General's Press Release (Score:5, Informative)
http://www.oag.state.tx.us/oagNews/release.php?id
They even have an online complaint form. Be the first on your block to get in on the lawsuit!
Civil? Where are the criminal penalties? (Score:5, Insightful)
Of course, the correct answer is both.
Call me naive, but I'm just not seeing action on the criminal side of things. Whatever happened to "equal protection under the law" principal where I would face jail time if I did this, even if I did it through my own 1-man consulting corporation?
Summary: (Score:5, Funny)
Texas Lawyers: "Pardner, yer full o' bull puckey."
Sony BMG: "Can't you sue any better than that?"
Consumers: Yeah, you can all go screw yourselves. Give us some cash.
It's nice to hear... (Score:5, Insightful)
It's a good feeling when it doesn't even take a month for a major state's state government to sue over a consumer issue that has so many people I know riled up. No, it's not just us getting ourselves worked up, it really was that slimy and abusive a thing for Sony to have done.
Let the floodgates open! (Score:5, Insightful)
[*] Technically it's not "great news", it's simply the just application of the law. But when a mega-corporation such as Sony is the spyware distributer, it doesn't take a cynic to fear that justice come second to capital, as was the case for a certain monopolist...
Link to the lawsuit & the official press relea (Score:5, Informative)
(cough [slashdot.org]
Word is Spreading (Score:5, Interesting)
Well today I felt a bit better about the situation. First my wife asked me about it which surprised me. She hasn't shown much interest in stuff like this in the past. And then a little later on when I went over to Stars and Stripes to read todays news they had a story [estripes.com] about the rootkit and that they are pulling them out of the BX/PX's.
The more word of this gets out the more DRM will come to light. Eventually most people will know how bad DRM is and maybe, just maybe Sony and the rest will start to feel some pressure to stop trying to push it on us.
Re:Word is Spreading (Score:5, Informative)
"Sony intentionally infected that CD with DRM. It is infected with DRM. It will take over your computer." I just told this to a friend of mine who is a huge fan of Imogen Heap and was about to buy her recent US release of Speak for Yourself through Sony.
Sony infected this CD with DRM for the Mac, and maybe Windows, too.
My friend has spoken with Immi before and is writing her to tell her why, although he supports her and goes to her shows when possible (the hotel/cafe tour for example), he will not be buying the album.
He will not be buying it because It is INFECTED with DRM.
Whomever came up with this brilliant strategy, please feel free to take credit in a reply here. I can't find the original comment.
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Holy shit! - Do the math (Score:5, Funny)
Re:Holy shit! - Do the math (Score:5, Insightful)
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Re:Holy shit! - Do the math (Score:5, Funny)
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Re:Holy shit! - Do the math (Score:5, Funny)
(Oblig: pinky to mouth...)
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Re:Holy shit! - Do the math (Score:5, Interesting)
Someone at Arstechnica pointed out that 'per incidence' meant the creation of the master CD, so however many different master CDs had been created with it installed would be the liability number. I think it 16 or so CDs. So 1.6 million.
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Canada should sue too (Score:5, Interesting)
Re:Canada should sue too (Score:5, Funny)
Or, this being Canada, a stern talking-to.
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Everyday I learn something new about r00tkits... (Score:5, Informative)
So basically, the rootkit would install itself on your PC even if you clicked NO on the popup that appears after inserting the disk? Wow... Now re-read this (different article, posted on Slashdot earlier):
"Most people, I think, don't even know what a rootkit is, so why should they care about it?" the head of Sony BMG's global digital business, Thomas Hesse, told National Public Radio.
I don't know... So they are counting on tricking gullible PC users into installing something which will ultimately harm their PC, which is heinous in itself, but somewhat legally "murky" enough for them to get away with it. But when your answer to the EULA actually has no effect whatsoever on whether the r00tkit is installed or not, that is beyond words. It shows how much these corporations disrespect their customers. We are sheep. With cash they gave us for working for them... and they want it back.
Re:Everyday I learn something new about r00tkits.. (Score:5, Informative)
No, this sentence refers to SunnComm MediaMax, not First4Internet XCP. MediaMax doesn't use a rootkit, but installs even if you reject the EULA, phones home when you play a CD, does not include a functioning uninstaller--but if you jump through a bunch of hoops, SunnComm will give you an ActiveX uninstaller that opens a huge security hole on your computer, kind of like XCP's.
Sony recalled XCP CDs but didn't say a word about MediaMax. The EFF is pressuring them to recall those CDs as well, which have been on the market for two years and number at least ten times as many as XCP.
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Companies disallow CD playing on computers? (Score:5, Interesting)
Sony Employee Yule Gift? (Score:5, Funny)
I heard Sony management got a great deal on this book: Rootkits : Subverting the Windows Kernel [amazon.com].
That recommendation is just... the glazing on the pig
Sweet. (Score:5, Funny)
Why no criminal charges? (Score:5, Insightful)
I will never, never ever buy another product that says SONY on it again.
Re:Why no criminal charges? (Score:5, Insightful)
(although since they contracted out the creation of the program, they arguably didn't steal code from LAME but rather encouraged another company to do so. That's really for a lawyer or ten and a judge to decipher...)
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The charges (Score:5, Informative)
- Using random or deceptive filenames to make it difficult for the consumer to find and uninstall the program, in violation of CPACSA 48.053(5).
- Inducing the consumer to install software by falsely claiming that it is necessary to play the media, in violation of CPACSA 48.055(1).
Seems pretty weak, but I imagine they'll tack on additional charges once they've had the chance to do some discovery.Just Say NO to This Crap (Score:5, Informative)
After refreshing his memory, and in turn having the family involved talk among themselves for a while, it turned out that some Sony BMG [sonybmg.com] discs HAD been played in that machine, and some of the remaining questionable files had Sony all over them even though the family didn't own a Sony [sonybmg.com] camera, Sony music player or any other Sony device that they could think of. Finally someone remembered that the little girl in the family HAD played, or ripped, or SOMETHING some music CDs in the machine and off they rushed to find them. In the mean time I was looking for the list [sonybmg.com] of Sony BMG [sonybmg.com] discs affected, originally numbered 20 and widely circulated at that count, but subsequently updated to 50, and listed [sonybmg.com] on a Sony website. I found the list of 50 at about the same time that they found their played/ripped/inserted/whatever CDs and sure enough, several of them had the Sony BMG [sonybmg.com] label on them. Now the catch was that (a) none of the CDs they had found were on the list [sonybmg.com] and (b) none of the CDs they had found had the warning that they contained copyright protection software, and my understanding was that the affected discs did contain such a warning.
Well, by getting rid of the Sony BMG [sonybmg.com] stuff they seemed to be back to a clean machine, and they swore to never insert a music CD into their machine again or to buy a CD from Sony [sonybmg.com]. So, congratulations should go out to Sony BMG [sonybmg.com] and First4Internet [first4internet.com] for accomplishing their objectives. Now to round out the picture:
(1) I suspect that Sony BMG [sonybmg.com], Sony [sonybmg.com] alone, and BMG [sonybmg.com] alone have in the past used other protection schemes and while they haven't been vocal about it, other companies are doing the same experimentation. All of these programs have their own ways and means of hiding themselves and controlling what YOU do with YOUR PC. But NONE of them have exhaustively looked into the legal, much less technical ramifications of what they do. They think that by merely relying on third party companies like First4Internet [first4internet.com] they can claim ignorance of the consequences.
(2) Rumor has it that by the time you are asked for your permission to install software when you insert these disks SOME software has already been installed.
(3) Sony/BMG [sonybmg.com] isn't the only company doing this, they are just the only company that has been caught.
(4) These discs have been out for a year, and some people say two years, or maybe more.
(5) There is no quick and easy way to uninstall these programs, either from Sony BMG [sonybmg.com] or the s
The Proper Punishment (Score:5, Insightful)
Re:Way to go (Score:5, Interesting)
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Re:Way to go (Score:5, Insightful)
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Re:Way to go (Score:5, Insightful)
The proof is in the computers themselves, not in anything on paper. The number of infractions will likely be estimated. I'm not familiar with the details of the rootkit--does it phone home? If it does phone home then they can subpoena the "phone home records" and determine which connections originated from Texas.
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Re:Wow, that's gonna be a nice check.. (Score:5, Insightful)
But the State of Texas (you know, the State Attorney General, in representation of the State of Texas and its citizens) is suing Sony. If the lawsuit is won, than the money goes into the coffers of the state of Texas, which will result in an increase in public works, which *does* benefit us.
Sometimes
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Re:Wow, that's gonna be a nice check.. (Score:5, Interesting)
They're prosecutors.
When the NY Attorney General's office nailed Song BMG for "payola" the settelement included a $10 million grant to the Rockefeller Philanthropy Advisors to New York State, a non profit, to promote music education.
The EFF has also filled a rootkit suit against Sony BMG in LA. I guess you can decide for yourself whether these guys are just after a big paycheck.
KFG
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Re:Wow, that's gonna be a nice check.. (Score:5, Funny)
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Texas law on lethal force in protecting property.. (Score:5, Interesting)
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Re:Texas law on lethal force in protecting propert (Score:5, Informative)
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Re:Texas law on lethal force in protecting propert (Score:5, Funny)
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Re:Texas law on lethal force in protecting propert (Score:5, Funny)
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Re:Texan way..... (Score:5, Informative)
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Re:Texan way..... (Score:5, Insightful)
Anywho, personally I can't wait to see Sony go down in flames over this. Some part of me is almost disappointed that a couple of adolescents with an axe to grind
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Re:Texan way..... (Score:5, Funny)
Well, those who believe #1 and #2 must believe in #3, how else would they explain how Bush won in the last election despite #1 and #2?
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Re:Texan way..... (Score:5, Funny)
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Re:Texan way..... (Score:5, Insightful)
So we can blame the state for:
You can blame the one guy for refusing to stand in their way - are you sure you would have had that courage ?
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Re:The EFF Suit (Score:5, Interesting)
Which is irrelevant. If I were to get my rootkit installed on Sony's machines, even if I didn't do any damage, I can't imagine they wouldn't go after me like Star Jones after the last Snackwell.
The Sony executives responsible for releasing this thing into the wild should get the exact same punishment any other criminal would get for distributing millions of copies of a trojan into the wild. Maybe if that were to happen (dream on!) - maybe if a few corporate execs were put in Federal Pound Me In The Ass Prison, forbidden from using a phone or a computer - treated like the criminals they are - people would rethink this crap...
Nah. They have money. Money > Justice.
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