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Bank Of America Loses 1.2 Million Customer Records
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Zonk
on Sat Feb 26, 2005 08:01 AM
from the great-week-for-customer-service dept.
from the great-week-for-customer-service dept.
Christopher Reimer writes "C|Net is reporting that Bank of America lost 1.2 million customer records when some backup tapes went missing while being shipped to a backup center. The lost records mainly effect U.S. government employees involved in the SmartPay program. From the article: 'The acknowledgment comes as several other cases of businesses losing consumer information have come to light.'"
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heh (Score:5, Funny)
Doesn't sound so smart right now...
Indeed. (Score:3, Interesting)
Well, I guess they have at most 999,999,999 more transactions until we know that they've blown their *ahem*commitment to their consumers--unless you count each person affected as an error here, in which case we can probably sue them for false advertising. Or at least utter stupidity.
That said, I bet someone mixed those backup tapes in the
Well.. (Score:5, Informative)
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My question is, why the conflict of interest, requiring all employees to use a single credit card provider?
Why cannot this bogus thinking be applied such that everyone has to use the same bank, in addition to credit card provider?
In defense of the policy, you get that swell logo that tells the airline or hotel to give you the government rate. Whoopee. Why can't other credentials suffice
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Then they might just get a freakin clue.
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I will not use them in any form. I will drive 10 miles out of the way to NOT use even their ATM machines. (No they ain't even getting my $1.50 for a transaction.
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BoA and getting screwed.... (Score:3, Interesting)
I view my banks as necessary evils, and little more. I have my primary checking account with U.S. Bank right now, and for a while, thought they were going to be "above average". They offer free, unlimited online billpay, for example - while many others want to charge
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So? (Score:2, Insightful)
Well... (Score:5, Insightful)
Now, I generally frown on lawsuits, but this is one type of case where it works. The people on these lists need to start filing class action lawsuits against these companies. Large corporations only feel something when they lose money, maybe it would send the message that you will be held accountable if you do not take security seriously.
As we all know, nothing is as valuable as our information.
Re:Well... (Score:5, Insightful)
You're hearing about this because of the flap about CheckPoint, and you heard about CheckPoint because of the current flap about identity theft.
If not for those circumstances, these stories would very likely have been reported in the business press, but otherwise below the general public's radar.
So, you have no reason to assume that the first appearance of an event on TV or in Slashdot means it never happened before.
BofA ought, of course, be held responsible for their behavior. I don't know if these cardholders can sue, since the card's were issued to them in conjunction with their federal employment. And, unless they are able to document loss as a result of the loss, I'm not sure what grounds they'd have for a suit.
That said, BofA just dug itself a big hole for the next contract recompete. Their accountablity may come in the form of losing that recompete. (Don't imagine, though, that a contract of that size will be given to some local mom-and-pop bank.)
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Sad but true.
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If law suits start being filed there will be a sudden demand to get these systems more secure. It's always annoyed me that financial companies have charged us for their "credit protection" services. I have always felt that if my ID was stolen it would most likely be the fault of a financial institution and not me.
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Encryption? (Score:5, Insightful)
Re:Encryption? (Score:2, Interesting)
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Re:Encryption? (Score:4, Interesting)
Bank record transportation is (or at least was, before Check21 went into effect) a major and rather vertical industry. The general chain of command is that a courier service picks up "the goods" (cancelled checks, backup tapes, whatever) from a bank, takes the cargo to the nearest airport, and drops it off in one manner or another. Depending on the bank and the courier, the goods are either dropped at the airport Post Office or taken to an airline's cargo input on the ramp.
From there, the obvious happens. Either the items are transported via USPS to their destination, or they fly as commercial cargo and wind up at the destination airport, where another series of couriers collects and delivers it to the receiving location. The article that I saw claimed that BOFA declined to describe how the process works. Well, this is how the process works.
The thing is, bank records are not exactly labeled "PERSONAL FINANCIAL RECORD BACKUPS, TOTALLY SECRET, PLEASE BE CAREFUL." The people who are working as couriers for banks know what they're picking up, but they also know that they're constantly under scrutiny. Once this stuff hits the ramp, it's just cargo as far as airline employees are concerned. It gets on a plane, flies to a destination, and things reverse; ramp agents unload random cargo as far as they know, and then some courier who knows damn well that he's being watched takes it to the receiving bank.
From all accounts, BOFA seems to be blaming ramp agents. I call bullshit. For one thing, nobody goes on or off a ramp without some sort of security check; I should know, I'm on the ramp almost every day. And most of the "secure" cargo flowing through a given ramp is unmarked and can't readily be recognized. The only time you pick up on something "special" is when Customs imounds a shipment.
As far as the explanations I've heard, I say BOFA are full of shit. This wasn't a ramp worker nabbing a case of backup tapes - he'd never have gotten off the ramp. This is negligence one way or another.
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I wonder how long ago they found out about this? (Score:5, Interesting)
ChoicePoint execs sold shares before theft news
ChoicePoint Inc.'s top two executives made a combined $16.6 million in profit from selling company shares in the months after the data warehouser learned that people's personal information may have been compromised and before the breach was made public, regulatory filings show. ChoicePoint's stock has dropped about 10 percent since last week when the company announced that criminals had duped it into allowing them access to its massive database. Alpharetta, Ga.-based ChoicePoint says the stock trading was pre-arranged under a plan approved by the company's board. Corporate governance experts say the pattern and timing of the trading by chief executive Derek Smith and president Douglas Curling raises questions. Smith and Curling did not respond to repeated requests through a spokesman for comment Friday.
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Big Brother's Little Helper? (Score:5, Informative)
One might easily assume that the executives are profiteering swine, and that the company's board members are colluding at the trough.
Furthermore, ChoicePoint has a
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This has been coming for a _long_ time... (Score:5, Insightful)
1. unlimited storage capacity meant complex and detailed records could be kept on every person.
2. guaranteed incompetence meant these records would be abused, lost, exposed and manipulated.
I don't see either of these trends changing.
Applies to both commercial and governmental databases. Chaos, mess, confusion, abuse, on a huge and ever-increasing scale.
Welcome to the 21st century. You can opt out by unchecking the "Connect to the Internet" box about 10 years ago...
Not an Internet Issue (Score:3, Insightful)
For all we know, they were stolen out of the back of some truck and lifted by the overnight cleaning crew.
One more thing... (Score:5, Informative)
The following website explains it in governmentese:
http://www.gsa.gov/Portal/gsa/ep/channelView.do?p
For want of a nail... (Score:2)
I wonder how many of these customer data compromises ultimately are going to be chalked up to good old fashioned human error?
Yeah, I know, ultimately all of them until computers write their own programs (and that's the day that I unplug and head for
I mean stupid stuff, like a clerk misfiling a tape, or someone leaving a door unlocked, or something "non-computerish." Doesn't mollify the millions of people whose data are now at risk, I know.
You can't just throw automatio
Spooky Business (Score:4, Insightful)
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did they loose the financial info too? seems like that'd be, um, a problem.
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at odds (Score:4, Insightful)
"We deeply regret this unfortunate incident," Barbara Desoer, who is in charge of technology, service and fulfillment for the Charlotte-based bank, said in a statement. "The privacy of customer information receives the highest priority at Bank of America, and we take our responsibilities for safeguarding it very seriously."
Sen. Charles Schumer, a New York Democrat, told Reuters that he had been informed by the Senate Rules Committee that the data tapes were likely stolen off a commercial plane by baggage handlers.
So - they are so concerned about maintaining the security of their data that they gave it (in a very non-descript way mind you) to a group of people outside of their organization who have a history of struggling with integrity.
yippee...
Aftereffects (Score:3, Interesting)
about yay high (Score:2, Interesting)
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http://www.datalinksales.com/cgi-bin/shop/datstor e
They are shipped in a flat white box about 12 x 12 x 1. Usually no other markings other than address label.
Cartridge tapes are smaller.
This sounds like one server reel being lost amongst a full backup.
Time to fight fire with fire! (Score:3, Funny)
Data loss is not acceptable (Score:4, Interesting)
My bank (Score:3, Informative)
They Are Getting Fined! (Score:5, Funny)
Senate hearings on the way? (Score:3, Interesting)
good thing it was just tapes (Score:3, Funny)
This Is No Surprise - BOFA Is Run By Morons (Score:3, Insightful)
When I was arrested for bank robbery, part of the process involved a pre-sentencing interview by the Parole Department. I told them I worked at BOFA for two and a quarter years from January 1985 to April of 1987.
When they contacted BOFA to verify this, BOFA could not find any record I'd worked there, either under my name or SSN.
At the sentencing hearing, my PD told the judge he was prepared to produce names of supervisors, etc., to verify I had worked there. The judge decided that was unnecessary, commenting "It really makes you wonder how well they're keeping your money."
If they can't find employees, I'm sure they have no trouble losing customers.
BOFA is your typical big corporation - worse, a big bank. This means virtually everyone in the organization is incompetent and couldn't care less about their job.
As an example, I worked on customer support of the Microstar cash management system sold by BOFA's Automated Treasury Services Division to Fortune 1000 corporation treasury departments. This software package included a subsystem from a third party company which was riddled with bugs. When we in support were advised that the rest of that company's package was to be purchased and resold to replace the in-house developed part of the system, we advised against it. Ignoring us, management went ahead which resulted in 400 bugs in the bug database after rollout.
In the meantime, management concluded that the market for this package was "saturated" (no such thing in software - you upgrade and resell - where would Microsoft be if they thought the market was "saturated" after Windows 3.1?), so they either re-assigned or laid everybody off. The managers were promoted, and everybody else got dumped (or fired, in my case.)
So, yes, no surprise these morons lose customers.
Re:Why were the tapes on a plane to begin with? (Score:2)
Except a cargo plane full of media.
Re:Why were the tapes on a plane to begin with? (Score:3)
Annoying (Score:5, Insightful)
The tapes were believed to be stolen by airport bagage handlers during shipment to BoA's offsite facility, likely another datacenter. It's still under investigation so the news agencies are not yet able to accurately report exactly what happened.
By all accounts BoA has made reasonable effort to protect its data, its tapes and its customers. BoA, and by proxy its customers, are the victim of theft. The blame lies squarely on the shoulders of the thieves and no where else.
In ANY incident, there will always be something more that could have been done to prevent the incident from happening. But, it becomes a question or reasonable care. Was reasonable care taken? It certainly seems as if it was in this case.
Let's put the blame where it belongs. Don't redirect the blame to the victims.
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Re:most aggravating thing (Score:4, Insightful)
Sure, the senators are outraged that this happened. But they should be even more outraged that BoA chose to use a method so cheap to transfer critical data.
Quite a lot of 'critical data' and other items is moved on commercial airlines every day. Backup data such as this, organ transplants, diplomatic pouches, etc.
The airline is merely a subcontrator of BoA, charged with moving the stuff from A to B. An organization cannot handle everything inhouse. Quite a lot of functions are subcontracted out. The only more secure way would be for BoA to own and operate their own fleet of transport aircraft, with their own baggage handlers, and the data moved from the data center to the airport by their own security personnel, in their own armored trucks.
Same for a hospital. If they have to send your records somewhere, should the have to do it on their own aircraft?
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Re:Wonder if they were using Windows? (Score:4, Funny)
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Re:What's the Big Deal? (Score:3, Funny)
As an added bonus, citizens who purchase certain combinations of items will be awarded an all expenses paid trip to the beautiful country of Cuba.